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Zero camber park skis

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Ryan*
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I've been looking into getting some new park skis, and I've come across a few that have rockered tips and tails and zero camber underfoot (cough cough K2 cough). I understand the advantages of rocker in the park: easier buttering, easier turn initiation, less danger of edge catching, etcetera. But what I'm wondering is: what advantage does zero camber present? As I understand (and from my experience) camber provides pop, helps cushion hard landings a bit, and makes a ski carve hard. I'm sure there indeed are advantages to flat camber, otherwise these companies wouldn't be making these skis. So can someone fill me in on said advantages?
Aug 25 2011 2:46PM
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.RYAN66
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They are purely park skis that is it. If you try to actually ski semi aggressively you will washout
Aug 25 2011 2:52PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Having skied some low/no camber versions of our skis, they're way more predictable and comfy, but they lack pop and liveliness that camber gives you.
Aug 25 2011 2:54PM
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BlakeG
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you could go with skis that have camber and rocker
Aug 25 2011 3:01PM
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DUKES
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the flat camber along with rocker helps when doin switchups and so on on rails the tips are raised and the no camber will not catch
Aug 25 2011 3:16PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I think that it comes into play, sure, but in thinking about it, I'd bet that swing weight and overall weight of the ski effects your switch up ability way more... no camber vs cambered means you have to pop 1cm less to clear the tips by that model.
Aug 25 2011 4:06PM
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.RYAN66
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yeah wow i didnt even think about that, still seems that zero camber would be rough to ski on hard pack.

sometimes i dont like skiing the jj on hard pack it is a lil challenging.
Aug 25 2011 7:02PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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I tried the JJ's for a few days when I was in CO. Being form NJ I'm used to carving on solid ice, fake snow, or mushy, heavy, wet snow. Carving on the JJ's out in "hard pack" in CO was not a challenge at all. However, I think a rockered ski like that wouldn't fare so well in NJ conditions. Strangely enough, I've seen lots of people say they liked their revivals (jib roker) on "ice" or "hard pack", but you need to look where these people are skiing. Until i've tried them, I'll be sticking to regular camber.
Aug 25 2011 9:50PM
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.RYAN66
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what you skied on, my friend, was not hard pack it was packed powder and the jj's are hella fun to do that on. but i was more referring to the ice coast where it would suck to ride on, and you cant really charge has hard as you could on a jj on a groomer as you can say with an ar7.

two totally different skis but so are the revival and ar7 just because of the rocker, i am biased though because i love me a full camber park ski.
Aug 25 2011 10:08PM
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monkatizer
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less chance of chatching edges?
Aug 25 2011 10:17PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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i guess thats what that is isn't it haha. I only ever get those three things, ice, sleet, fake snow. didn't really know what too call it. but yeah imma stick to camber sis until i get to try domains or halos or such.
Aug 25 2011 10:24PM
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idskithat
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well hopefully zero camber skis work well on the ice coast, cause i got a pair of last years domains
Aug 25 2011 10:27PM
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rozboon
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I skied some dead-flat Head skis last year on some seriously hard snow and they sucked massive amounts of balls. All the sideways action of rocker combined with all the edge catching of camber made for some crazy sketchy skiing.
Aug 26 2011 12:56AM
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K2
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You'll be stoked. The thing that makes a ski work on hard pack on edge is it's torsional rigidity, meaning how hard is it to twist the ski side to side. We wrap our skis in a specific weave of Fiberglas to do just that, keep the skis stiff as hell right underfoot where you need it for hard snow performance. Rocker keeps it quick to swivel and eliminates hooking up. Enjoy 'em. Let us know what you think when you get to ski them.
Aug 26 2011 1:30AM
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Ryan*
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Ooh! Well that answers some of it but could I get a direct answer from you?
Aug 26 2011 1:43AM
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.RYAN66
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I really think you guys need to go back to at least one camber ski. I like to charge hard when I'm not in the park and being from the east we are charging on ice. My whole team got to demo your skis in the park. And they were awesome Two of the kids bought a pair to get rid of they're shitty solomons. However we have an hour to ski before the park opens and it was funny as he'll to watch them butter when they put weight on their shins. The kid who bought domains was a former racer so he knows how to ski and some of the rocker skis just aren't ment for that. So please make a camber ski again I really like k2 just not all of this rocker crap
Aug 26 2011 8:02AM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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I think thats why they made the recoil this year. I don't think it has any rocker. It might have the all terrain rocker though i'm not sure.
Aug 26 2011 9:14AM
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Ryan*
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It has All-Terrain Rocker. But that means camber underfoot as well.
Aug 26 2011 10:46AM
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