Pro-life protest

those fucking anoying morons were right, but god damm it they had the dummest arguments! plus they all had abortions, what a hick town. at least they had good opinions.

bump. another thing that i would like to add... conservatives do not support programs that supply condoms and birth control to the general public, including people in high school. if these contraceptives were easier to access for people, especially teens, there wouldn't be so many "un-wanted pregnancies". just another reason why it doesn't make any sense to me that conservatives are pro-life, yet they do nothing to help people who find themselves in these bad situations.

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they are "hick" because they had abortions? lets try to avoid ignorance and stereotypes please

I think abortions should be legal, but not for any type of morality reason.

They should be legal because if they are illegal a black market of abortion clinics will be created. Also, as many of you have probably read in Freakonomics, abortions reduce crime and violence because unwanted kids are more likely to be unloved and not properly cared for thus they turn to crime.

I also think that getting an abortion should be considered a serious matter. You should be given all the important information, let the person know they are literally ending a human like, and have a waiting period between first consultation and abortion day.

Really the abortion debate boils down to when you think human life starts, if you think it starts at egg and sperm you are on one side (some people think jacking off should be outlawed, they are not included in this debate) and the other is when the baby comes out of the vagina. I personally think it starts at egg and sperm, that might not be technically scientifically accurate but that is the meeting of genetic material that makes a person possible. Also socially that is the moment when the two parties concerned (except rape) made their decision and are now responsible for the consequences.

Person responsibility is 99% of what the debate should be about. I know accidents happen but you shouldn't be having sex, much less unprotected sex, if you don't want a kid. This statement usually pisses people off but seriously, you know what happens when you have sex, it is not a human right it is responsibility, really the only reason we are on this planet, to reproduce. If you want to fuck around with that responsibility then you better be ready for the consequences. If there is ever a method of birth control that is 100% effective and very cheap I think abortions should be outlawed.

As for the video the OP posted I thought it was stupid and annoying and only watched about 10 seconds of that fat kid getting all high pitched and pissed off.

Murder might not be the right word to use because murder is committed under different intentions, but killing is the exact definition of what an abortion is. Don't look at it in such a bad way. So many things get killed everyday in just about every way.

Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion of a fetus or embryo from the uterus, resulting in or caused by its death.

I guess abortion can also be unintentional when the fetus or embryo dies by natural causes. Which is terribly tragic.

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Ahhhh, this argument is hilarious. 

First of all, that dude is a douche in that he can't argue without screaming and yelling.  There are better ways to go about this..... like paintball guns.  Those kinds of pictures where children can see them is not only irresponsible but indecent.

Second, we regularly end human lives on both liberal and conservative agendas.  Its called war, and for some reason, THAT killing is tolerated by the conservative right, and that killing quite often includes CIVILIANS.

Third, if we're going to talk about the rights of a fetus, does anyone know if the fetus even wants to be born?  What if it wanted to stay in there and NOT be born?  What if actually HAVING the baby is against its wishes?   There is no way to know, which is kinda the crux of the argument, ya?

Fourth, The percentage of people wanting abortions is SO insignificant that it can't even be part of a political agenda.  Are we talking like .01% of the American population? (Purely fictitious number)  Wouldn't it serve our country, our families, our children, our political parties, EVERYONE better if we focused on issues that ACTUALLY impact the population like the economy, international affairs, homeland security?  All the abortion issue does is provide a line that people have to stand on one side or the other and muddle the pool. 

I choose to straddle that line:

1. Make abortion legal, and a free service paid for by the government.
 
In the case of non-consent (rape, child abuse, etc), the abortion can be carried out.

In the case of "can't support financially", or "made a mistake", the woman loses her right to have children for an undermined amount of time (5 years, etc).   This is accomplished by her getting her tubes tied in a manner that is reversible, or mandatory birth control in the form of a depo shot or implant.  Then she can go out and be the slut she wants or be broke for a while.  Then when she's been kicked in the head enough times and figures out what she really wants from life, she'll be able to plan for, and have a baby. 

Oh and don't think us boys and our little wieners get away with this either.  A database is developed of reports from the women as to who the father is.  Now, before you go out there and say "Oh, but a chick could just report the child as mine!", this is true, but what were looking for here is a pattern of social stupidity; ie: repeat offenders.  You get reported, fine, you get reported again?  fine, you get reported again, there may be something more to this story... like you're a tard.  Nobody gets named as the father of an unborn child 3 or more times without SOME truth.  Try branching out to a different group of women or I don't know, take your herpes infected dick and keep it in your pants..

We have to stop giving each other the margins to be screw ups.  Its making us weaker as a country and as a species.  Personal responsibility is the only answer. 

2.  Stop being fucking retards.
I'm 33 years old, enjoyed the shit out of college and the single life throughout my 20s.  No STDs, no kids, no abortions.   I'd guess 99.9% of the population is in the same boat.  So why are we taking something that impacts so few and making it a political issue?  You can't legislate personal responsibility, it requires only one thing, THE PERSON.

Bottom line is we need to be legislating idiots.  Stop giving them outs without repercussions.  Conservatives are absolutely right, abortion should not be used as birth control.  Liberals are absolutely right in that a woman should be given choices.  Bottom line though, there should be repercussions.

3.  Get our politicians talking about REAL issues, like those that impact more than 1% of the U.S. population.  Stop abusing religious/social/moral beliefs as a haze to hide what is really going on in this country and the issues that should be addressed.  Morals are an individual right, and EACH PERSON should be able to handle that responsibility sufficiently, I have no right to tell you what is right and wrong, but I do have the right to expect that YOU will not push your morals on me.

Well, way too long of rant for this audience, but I'm bored at work so whatever.   This is my opinion and in no way reflects the opinions of those idiots out there who can't put on a fucking condom.

FLAME SUIT ON.

I think abortions should be made more light-hearted. Maybe a game show? Dead Fetuses Say The Darndest Things, hosted by Mario Lopez.

learn about trolls kiddo

Honestly i dont really care when most people get abortions when they're justified, what does piss me off is when the stupid, slutty bitch who cant learn her lesson gets abortions one after another. Although if i were a baby, i wouldnt want a skank as a mom, so i guess it cancels out. But seriously, those selfish girls need to get spayed or something

All made sense until you went on about a 5-year ban on having children....pretty absurd there, guy.

well to me it does actually.

i believe in abortion, but not the abuse of it from a repeat individual.

Why is it absurd?  The individual has demonstrated that they lack the ability to make intelligent decisions, so as a trade-off for their free "escape", they have repercussions.  Right now, a person can go have as many abortions in a row that they want.  We're not improving ourselves by doing that, we're simply solidifying the idea that there are no consequences for our actions. To me that is obscene.

Besides, if a woman can't afford it, or doesn't want it, or is incapable of caring for it, why would they object to free birth control?    

It's completely inappropriate for a dozen reasons; ethical and practical.

You shouldn't have had to type that, but well done...

On a more cynical note:

We should just outlaw all breading. A government panel will decide which genetics are superior and implant these genetic combinations into birthers who's singular purpose is to produce children. Children will be assigned to the parents with the highest qualifications....

This stuff just reminds me of history class where we watched a video about a woman in WWII. Her Husband was injured and in the hospital or something, and she had to work, she got pregnant and couldn't miss time in the factory or make enough money to support her soon to be 7 kids especially on maternity leave. So her doctor told her to go into the bath tub and use a soapy douche to give herself an abortion. She said she was "so relieved when she saw the blood come out". Shit was weird. But yeah you should have the choice.

lol.

i'm personally for the legalization of post-mature abortions. Mabye till like 3 or four years old. i feel like that will give novice parents a little test run to see if having kids is really worth it.

It will also help to get rid of the population issues and stupid people. Uh oh Timmy's isn't doing so well in kindergarten..

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so then it would be illegal to have children, america and canada are not communist. people can have as many kids as they want

First of all the personal shot at me is unnecessary.  This is a forum where opinions can be shared, I liked your discussion until the insult, but thanks anyways bro.

The 5 years, etc, is intended to say that I have no definition of the length of time that the limitation would be in place (hence the "etc").  Maybe a year, maybe 3, maybe 5, I have no desire to limit a woman to having a child, I'm trying to limit how many abortions that woman has.  Besides, if they don't want a child now, why wouldn't they take free birth control in the near term?

In this case we ARE talking about the worst case scenario, the subject matter here is the person who has REPEAT abortions.  You are absolutely correct, birth control fails, but consistent/repeated failure is most likely a result  of the person's decision(s), NOT the condom slipping off, etc.

Perhaps "tubes tied" was drastic, but there are various levels of birth control that are 100% safe and don't involve a major procedure to remove them.  Not interested in getting into that discussion, if you like, you can start another thread.

I am absolutely FOR the woman's right to choose, believe me.  But choices come with consequences, and we simply cannot ignore the fact that our society has de-evolved into one that doesn't take responsibility for its own actions.  This is not good for Americans nor humans.

And lets step back from the politics of the subject.  As I stated before, this shouldn't even be a political issue.  You, and the poster below you who talks about communism/socialism/whatever are missing the boat.  Again, the impact to the population is somewhere below 1%, why are politicians spending so much time and energy on the subject?

This is obviously a passionate issue for you and many, but try to recognize that there are multiple opinions and viewpoints.  If it was one or the other, I'd be on the side of the right to choose, but in the interest of bi-partisanship, I think it can be done intelligently to allow both sides of the issue to come to SOME sort of agreement.

Now that is some funny shit.

Slightly off of the actual conservative point of view which is taking responsibility for one's actions by not getting pregnant in the first place. People can have sex without getting pregnant. If they make poor choices then sure they risk losing much of their young adult life while they raise the child. Why should it be my tax dollars that go toward prenatal care and welfare because somebody made poor choices?

I had to abort a taco bell baby this morning it was very messy, motherfucking chalupas

The point you're missing, and the fundamentally incorrect assumption you're making, is that there's this huge percentage of women seeking abortions on a what......bi-annual basis? Where do you come up with that? It reeks of classist fear. It sounds like right-wing propaganda.

shits dangerous. leads to deep frying, which subsequently leads to house fires and obesity.

If abortion is defined as murder, then a miscarriage is involuntary manslaughter. /thread

The only logical option.

Wow, tough guy!  You sound as bad as right-wing extremists with a left-wing slant.  Done with this conversation.  Go back to believing everything your parents tell you.

haha. Fuck my inability to spell.