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Panasonic HVX200 or HMC150 Edits/Info

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Frosty
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Hey Media and Arts,

I know I can rely on you guys to find me some awesome edits and also just some general info about/made with an HVX200 or a HMC150. I'm getting a pretty well paying job over the summer, and am going to make around $4000, three fourths of which will go towards a new video camera.
Apr 29 2011 7:42PM
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eheath
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Check out any of my edits, last two i made with were my hvx200.

www.vimeo.com/evanheath/videos

check out older ones like Slow! Fuck! and Dirt! for unedited color, ive been doing alot more color work recently so those older edits are a more accurate depiction of what the hvx can produce.


If you want to buy mine used come fall i may be selling :)
Apr 29 2011 7:53PM
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eheath
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I dunno why i just said my last two, about 95% of my edits were made with my hvx, sorry.


As for info, i forgot to say anything about it. The hvx/hpx/hmc series of cameras is one of the best IMO they have the best manual features out of any camera and Panasonic's chips produce amazing colors. You wont get the DOF of a DSLR but you will get 1000 times better of everything else.
Apr 29 2011 7:58PM
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deleted2
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Actually i was reading and was surprised that the hvx/hpx/hmc150, have some of the deepest focuses of alot of the prosumer cameras out there
Apr 29 2011 8:51PM
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1337
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sony fs100 :D
Apr 29 2011 9:01PM
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iLLbiLLy
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Main difference.
P2 == expensive, but fast. SD == cheap but slow.

If you can afford the extra cost of p2 cards i would say go with HVX200. if not the HMC150 is still an awesome camera. I doubt you'll see much of a difference in quality.
Apr 29 2011 9:21PM
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Frosty
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Thanks for the info guys! A couple more questions though, how does the HVX 200 perform in low light.
Apr 29 2011 9:59PM
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eheath
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most used hvxs with come with p2 cards and brand new ones come with 16gb...
Apr 29 2011 10:00PM
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1337
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its ok, but nothing special. Pretty noisy at higher dB's
Apr 29 2011 10:00PM
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Frosty
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Didn't mean to press post quite yet. Also, what do you think of camcorders such as the JVC GR-HD1U and the Sony FX7?
Apr 29 2011 10:01PM
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1337
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stay AWAY from tape media. It's a dying and shitty recording medium. CF, SD, P2 are all way way WAY better
Apr 29 2011 10:03PM
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Frosty
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I apologize for my lack of knowledge in filming, but Evan when you said that the hvx doesn't get the DOF of a dslr, is that the shallow or deep end?
Apr 29 2011 10:06PM
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1337
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shallow
Apr 29 2011 10:15PM
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iLLbiLLy
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i wouldn't go with the fx-7. maybe a fx-1000 if you could find one for cheap...
Apr 29 2011 10:18PM
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iLLbiLLy
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soo that give you like what? 30 of minutes of recording at full hd? Maybe less?

I'm just saying it might be a factor to consider.
Apr 29 2011 10:25PM
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eheath
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I shot with a 16gb card my full first year with an hvx. I have 32gb now and never fill my cards.


But 16gb = 16min 60p 35min 30p little more for 24p.
Apr 29 2011 10:34PM
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iLLbiLLy
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I shoot a lot of events and typically need about 1.5 hrs of recording time. I also like to take long time-lapses. My hmc-40 will put about 1 hour 15 min a 16 gig sd card at 720-60p. Not sure how that compares to the 150 but i'd say its close to the same. I think they both shoot at 24mbps.
Apr 29 2011 10:41PM
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eheath
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well, if you're shooting long time lapses why wouldn't you use the interval recording feature? it uses alot less card.

Obviously shooting 1.5hrs on p2 would get expensive, but for anything else its fine. I could film a whole day of skiing on a 16gb card.
Apr 29 2011 10:45PM
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Frosty
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What's the down side to using an SD card instead of a P2, or can the HVX200 not even use SD?
Apr 29 2011 10:48PM
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iLLbiLLy
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it has an SD but i don't think it can be used to record on. P2 has way faster transfer speeds. Really its just a RAID array of a bunch of SD cards.
Apr 29 2011 10:50PM
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eheath
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SD cards = 24mbps 4:2:0 color sampling p2= 70-100mbps 4:2:2 color sampling.


Basically, the p2 can record better color and can have more detail/information in each clip.
Apr 29 2011 10:56PM
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iLLbiLLy
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Feel like were getting away from the point a little. Really it just depends on what you really need. Quality wise, you wont be able to tell any difference on a internet video. HMC-150 records to AVCHD which can be kinda a bitch to work with but its getting a lot better. Both cameras have the same sensor and optics so I'm guessing they perform the same in low light.

If I was buying I would go with the 150, mainly due to the price difference in media.
Apr 29 2011 11:22PM
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eheath
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150 is slightly better in low light.

I think he'll find an hvx for cheaper though, just because everyone has been buying AVCHD camera.
Apr 29 2011 11:42PM
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Frosty
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Well I won't have this money until fall, so hopefully by then you will be willing to sell your HVX :D
Apr 29 2011 11:47PM
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Do not spend your money on an HVX200, unless you want to carry around a worthless tape deck.

hpx170 and hmc150 are both amazing cameras. The hmc150 is essentially a 1080p DVX, but the hpx170 has p2, waveforms, and 4:2:2 recording, which make the extra cost worth it, in my opinion.
Apr 30 2011 2:49PM
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eheath
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hvx200 will be 500-1000 dollars cheaper than any used hpx, worth having the worthless tape deck.
Apr 30 2011 2:56PM
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Frosty
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Just to clarify for myself, can the HPX170, HMC150, and the HVX200 all record on SD cards? And which one's of those three record on P2 as well?
Apr 30 2011 3:58PM
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Frosty
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Also, any thoughts on the HMC40?
Apr 30 2011 4:07PM
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WillStart
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the HPX and HVX only record on P2 cards. the HMC records only on SD.

not 100% sure on that, but i know for a fact the HVX only records on P2. the others i'm just going off what i've heard
Apr 30 2011 4:12PM
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VT_scratch
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these are both shot on hmc150





Apr 30 2011 5:30PM
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VT_scratch
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ahhhh fuck forgot to turn autoplay off... sorry for fuckin up the thread guys
Apr 30 2011 5:31PM
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WillStart
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Here's one of my HVX200A edits:


Apr 30 2011 5:32PM
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butterstickinc
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I have had both cameras in the past year and i love my HMC 150 way more than the HVX. Yeah it was nice to have the fast P2 cards but they costed wayy out of my budget. the Hvx was soo heavy that i would literally have to take breaks in the day from doing follow cams because it weighed so much. The tapedeck was honestly pointless and was just a waste of space. I sold the Hvx and moved onto the Hmc and i love the thing. Small, light, cheap to record to, its everything that i ever wanted in a camera
May 5 2011 12:49PM
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eheath
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you really noticed the change of 2lbs? and i glide cam all day, which is twcie as heavy and all of the weight is on one arm, and don't need breaks....
May 5 2011 4:01PM
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[~_~]
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Skiing park city is far from being strenuous activity...
May 5 2011 4:35PM
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TaranItUp
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^ that's because your just a beast. Also Evan are you getting a new camera around fall?
May 5 2011 4:36PM
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eheath
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it has nothing to do with skiing...
May 5 2011 5:10PM
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.cam.
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Any one know the sharpness of the hvx and hmc150 compared to the hmc 40? I know the 40 is sharpest but how much less sharp are the other two.
May 5 2011 5:37PM
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1337
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I dont think the 40 is the sharpest.
May 5 2011 6:16PM
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[~_~]
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Correct! But physical work is physical work; one of the many reasons I dislike the HVX200 is because you're carrying around dead weight. When you're filming on something other than a bunny hill, every pound can count.
May 5 2011 6:27PM
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eheath
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im sure his park isnt anymore extreme?
May 5 2011 7:28PM
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AnteO
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I on the other hand like the weight of it (for the most part), and is one of the reasons why I've kept mine. But it's just cause it fits my filming style, so I agree that most would be better of to go with the hmc or the hpx.

May 5 2011 7:32PM
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ILoveOhio
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No. It's the sharpest. Once you take it into bad lighting situations it becomes worthless though from what I have read.
May 5 2011 7:55PM
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Galin
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I've been shooting HVX200 for a couple years now and still love it. I don't find the extra weight to be an issue for your average shoot or day out on the mountain, and it actually helps a bit to have that extra weight for follow cams and other moving shots. The 4:2:2 color space that you get from the p2 format is also a nice bonus when it comes to post. The downside of that of course is the cost of P2 cards in comparison to SD cards for the hmc. Also in regards to weight; if you're going to be getting into touring or having to do a lot of skiing with a cam in your pack, the hvx can certainly get a bit on the heavy side. Touring with my full camera bag/tripod is never a treat. So if that's the case then I'd say hmc might be a better choice. As far as edits go, all of the gold project updates were shot with an hvx (minus some stuff shot with my t2i) so feel free to check those out. Both cameras are great though and I've seen amazing stuff from both so I suppose it's really your budget and what you're going to be shooting.
May 6 2011 1:34AM
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[~_~]
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So we're assuming he is filming park skiing?
May 6 2011 1:05PM
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eheath
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He's from wisconsin, so yes.
May 6 2011 2:13PM
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[~_~]
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touché

Also, what's with all this autoplay recently? It makes me not watch the videos out of spite.
May 6 2011 4:33PM
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Ben.
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vimeo changed their embed code. it auto-autoplays (redundant much?) now, unless you go double check and change it.
May 6 2011 4:56PM
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eheath
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whenever i embed it never auto plays and i never deselected it...
May 6 2011 11:03PM
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butterstickinc
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I know 2 lbs seems like a small amount but it makes the biggest difference plus the hmc is more compact because it doesnt have the wasteful tapedeck. Honestly i pondered between these two cameras and im glad i chose the HMC
May 6 2011 11:20PM
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kootenayklaus
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Slight threadjack, but how much would a used HVX200a in relatively good condition (just cosmetic stuff, not internal damage or problems) go for? Around 1500-2000? I can't afford a new one, but a used one would be just a bit over my budget, but I could definitely save up the extra money.
May 7 2011 1:15AM
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