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I got a message from god

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skiman177
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Yesterday i was watching a show on the science channel about the universe. It was really making me wonder if god exists.
I thought to myself, i really want to believe that there is a god but its really hard too.
So i thought damn i wish god could send me a message to show me that he exists.

An hour later i walk outside to get in my car to go get a cup of coffee.

As im walking back into my house i see something on the ground and pick it up. You know those machines that press pennies and make them says stuff? It was a penny from one of those and it had the 10 commandments pressed into it.

I feel like that was the message i asked for.

Has anything like this happened to anyone else?
Apr 25 2011 12:17AM
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jibnut
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No? I never said once I disregarded any facts. But my facts are different then yours, am I right?

Fact: Bears, Beats, Battlestar Galactica.
Apr 25 2011 1:56PM
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JamesR
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but do you take facts as facts or disregard them if they don't support your beliefs? If you take facts as facts, I have a game. I want to play.
Apr 25 2011 1:57PM
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JamesR
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Oh woo. Game time.
Apr 25 2011 1:57PM
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JamesR
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fuck it nevermind
Apr 25 2011 1:58PM
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JamesR
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Is there a religious person on here that is willing to stop believing and submit to logic if that logic were to disprove his or her god?
Apr 25 2011 1:59PM
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eatdatshrimp
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no fuck you and fuck jesus and fuck george carlin and fuck religon and fuck you again.
your trying to say anybody who says fuck jesus got it from whatever lame ass comideian you saw?

suck my dick you little jesus freak. freak dat bitch out !!
Apr 25 2011 2:00PM
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-ROY-
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sounds like a bunch of wizardry nonsense
Apr 25 2011 2:04PM
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CassiusClay
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skiman177, I'd like to apologize, I've been putting pennies pressed with the ten commandments on a lot of people's door steps....
Apr 25 2011 2:05PM
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jibnut
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Have you read anything I've posted in this thread? I'm super open to any and all beliefs. I'm not religious, I'm a Christian. They're two different things in my eyes, most likely not yours but in mine it is. I'm a Christian so it pushes me to be the best person I can be, super giving to my community and just trying to do the right thing.

Like I said, I'm in a religious sort-of history class right now that I've read a ton of different ways the world was created, how they support a 1,000 types of Gods. I'm not one for getting into a religious debate though, never do it in real life. I keep the peace, so I'd rather keep it than argue. Sorry.
Apr 25 2011 2:05PM
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introvert
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Well..Facts aren't opinion based.
Beaches have sand on them right? It's a fact. Not an opinion.



And at least get it right, :P


Bears EAT beats. Bears. Beats. Battle Galactica.
Apr 25 2011 2:11PM
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Proletariat.
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This thread is now about Buddy Holly


Apr 25 2011 2:12PM
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JamesR
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LOL. Anyone else want to handle this?
Apr 25 2011 2:14PM
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Kratotalaga
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coincidence they happen all the time and people think that "god" whoever he is, is trying to tell them something
Apr 25 2011 2:14PM
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jibnut
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Shit I blow!


How about this:

Apr 25 2011 2:14PM
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jibnut
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No one else needs to handle shit. I'm peaceful and not preaching to anyone, I'm not trying to fight with anyone. Fight with someone who actually will care and pursue it. Sorry.
Apr 25 2011 2:17PM
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JamesR
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You're like the girl who cried persecution
Apr 25 2011 2:20PM
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Proletariat.
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RIP Buddy Holly

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I will up you with this


Apr 25 2011 2:25PM
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Mr.Huck
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"dont start with that tolerance thingy, that has nothing to do with the discussion."

Why do you say that? It has everything to do with it. Whatever you believe in that helps you be nicer to others should be a good thing. If being an atheist helps you to be more tolerant of others, including people who believe in religion; that's a good thing.

As to the holocaust question; I don't know. It certainly had, and continues to have a profound effect on others around the world, but that is not a justification.

Bottom line is that I am not wise or enlightened. I don't have the answers, and even if I did, I wouldn't give them to you, nor would you accept them. Skepticism is great and believing everything you are told is foolish.
Apr 25 2011 2:29PM
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jibnut
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I tip my hat to you.


Apr 25 2011 2:31PM
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forum10
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wow, you're really bad at being insulting... like really bad... all i can picture is some teen sitting behind his computer thinking, "man this is going to be so hilarious, i'm going to use this alias and so many people will be pissed at me! god i'm sooo funny!"

no, not funny and not even the slightest in entertaining to anyone. go jerk off to some internet porn, blow a load in your own eye and fuck off you stupid-ass child.
Apr 25 2011 2:36PM
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k-rob
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ah, but this poses yet another simple question with a difficult answer. what is "good?"

to me, good is just another belief. who am i to say what is good or bad? how am i to know that my tolerance of other people is an overall "good" thing? if anything, i cannot be the judge of my own positive or negative actions.
let's say i do something that benefits someone else, then let's say that positive effect on one human being also necessitated a negative effect on another human being. was what i did "good" or "bad?"
actually, let's say that positively affecting the human race as a whole might not be a "good" thing. how would we know whether anything in this universe is "good" or "bad?"
as humans, most of us see anything that benefits us, whether it's through the betterment of our own lives, of our planet, of our friends lives, etc. as "good."

i don't believe in "good" or "bad." i just know what makes me feel better and what doesn't. if someone else isn't tolerant of me, that doesn't make me feel any better, but it doesn't necessarily mean that their intolerance isn't "good."


Apr 25 2011 2:41PM
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feihlination
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that has something to do with what is the end result of being religious or not.

but i am not talking about that, i know that most people end up quite nice people if they follow the christian moral code (even though its kinda questionable if thats the only source for moral/ethics in the goddamn 21st century)


i (and so are we) am talking about the reasons for religion.


if tolerance is the only thing for you in this discussion then forget god and everything you have ever heard about christianity and obey the laws, and treat others like you want to be treated by others (which is not a christian rule, btw, its a lot older). this is the only ethic law you will need. this in addition to obeying real law that is around in 2011 will make you a pretty legit and nice person.

seriously, if you need the possible punishment of eternal pain in hell to be nice, then idk
Apr 25 2011 2:53PM
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adamlukowski
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1. Evolution does not state where the universe came from. It is a theory that an Organism that is better suited to maintain life in a situation, does, and keeps reproducing, and the one that can't survive, doesn't.

2. Theory isn't a word that can be easily thrown around in science. When it comes to science there are observations, inferences, and data that go into theories, you wouldn't argue with Cell theory, would you? Theory does not mean it is innacurate. Hell, everything we know is a theory, because we cannot be certain of anything, we just know it through observations and inferences, and collected data.

Apr 25 2011 3:06PM
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Mr.Huck
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"Good" point. What's also fascinating is that every culture on earth has rules that govern their society. They are all based on some sort of concept of right and wrong behavior. Rules prohibiting things like murder and theft are common to all. Where did the idea, that murder and theft are bad things, come from? Why is it that pretty much everyone on the planet would say that killing your neighbor for no reason is bad? Those who honestly don't feel that murdering someone for no reason, are labeled sociopaths and killed or locked up permanently. ...or are they the only ones who are right and the rest of us are wrong?
Apr 25 2011 3:06PM
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k-rob
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i feel that the negativity around murder comes from the basic survival instinct. most people don't want to be murdered, and people in positions of power used this fear to prohibit murder.
there are plenty of us who would kill an animal, and for the most part, doing so isn't strictly prohibited, therefore we don't have a fear or being persecuted and locked up for doing so.
i think there are also plenty of us who would kill another man if it wasn't strictly prohibited. just look at the military.

i've never killed another human being, but perhaps if it was just as acceptable as hunting big game...
Apr 25 2011 3:14PM
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TechnoPotamus
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that could get very philosophical very quickly.



re: you and k-rob's discussion

why not agree that definitions of "good" and "bad" are what the majority of people in the majority of cultures would agree on? Obviously this will cut the qualities and behaviors down a ton since every culture is different...but I would imagine you could simplify it down to the golden rule of "treat others as you wish to be treated" ...and don't murder/steal/cheat or something along those lines. As human beings, no matter how you're raised I would venture the guess that most people would prefer not to be murdered for no reason or stolen from etc.
Apr 25 2011 3:14PM
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eatdatshrimp
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umm no, im getting paid for this shit, you fuck off
Apr 25 2011 3:15PM
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SteveStepp
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Win
Apr 25 2011 3:18PM
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k-rob
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personally, i just treat others in a way that seems to benefit me. if i always treated others the way i want to be treated, well, i'd never have beat someone up, or insulted someone, etc.
and i totally enjoy doing those things, by the way.
Apr 25 2011 3:20PM
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TechnoPotamus
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haha yeah i gotcha
Apr 25 2011 3:21PM
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ktd619
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Being Atheist, SO hot right now!
Apr 25 2011 3:27PM
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Proletariat.
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Another classic


Apr 25 2011 3:39PM
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the_moderaper
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I have had many signs that he is real tbh.

commencing shitstorm
Apr 25 2011 3:48PM
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Proletariat.
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Steve Stepp quoted me

Biwinning

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Apr 25 2011 4:01PM
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ButteredToast.
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Sorry about that. I was kind of unclear. I didn't mean that they believe that there is a GOD, but just that there is something bigger than us.

Maybe this is a retarded thing to say, but I think it's interesting that bacteria exist in our world, yet do not have the required sensory abilities to fully sense and comprehend what a human being is. Maybe the same could be said for us. Maybe we're like bacteria in the sense that there are other sensory perceptions that we don't have the ability to tap into...

I don't really have an answer or a firm stance on that, just food for thought.
Apr 25 2011 4:12PM
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akNoface
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I'm at this exact point in my thinking too. I go to biology class and learn about the theory of evolution other counter theistic proofs and it makes it really hard to believe in a Christian God. But in the back of my mind I always think "what if we are wrong?" so I currently I am agnostic but I really need to sort this out at some point.
Apr 25 2011 4:19PM
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Gmart
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kinda spooky not gonna lie
Apr 25 2011 4:21PM
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eastcoaste
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boooooooooooda will rise again
Apr 25 2011 4:25PM
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JamesR
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At it's base it's that survival instinct, but the complexity piled on top of that is what accounts for our moral code. For us, that moral evolution started with early mammals forming a long parent-child bond. Fast forward to our more recent ancestors and human evolution has been tied to the group. We're social animals and the strength of the group was the strength of the individual. At one point there were only a couple thousand humans. Wouldn't do to kill ourselves off what with all the other threats. Violence doesn't work in group based communities, at all. It destroys the well-being of the whole. Killing another species is feeding the group, killing a fellow human is fucking up the group. It's not the same at all. People who join the military have been abused to believe that what they're doing is morally justified. I'll wrap up this ramblefest and say that moral relativism is only employed by people wishing to justify their behavior which they realize, at some level, is wrong.
Apr 25 2011 5:05PM
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Johwdannnn
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you drink cofee?
Apr 25 2011 6:02PM
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introvert
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Shit storm thread! Successful troll
Apr 25 2011 6:06PM
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Elmo.
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oh boy not another religion thread
Apr 25 2011 6:11PM
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Mr.Huck
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So where did the wrong come from, and how do they realize it? Assuming that we went from survival instinct per krob to a conscious realization that certain behaviors were not a good idea if the group was going to survive; how do you think that happened? Do you think that they were counting heads and had some concept of group survival or do you think that it was something more base?

Did a few people kill other people and feel bad about it and/or others did not like the way they felt about it? Did they then conclude that it was wrong?

A kid back before mass media goes hunting with his dad for the first time and kills an animal. Suddenly he feels sad and guilty for killing it. He knows that they need to kill animals in order to eat, but he still feels bad about it. Why? He only knows hunting to be critical to the survival of his family. This experience has been described historically in cultures that were not monotheistic and had no rules or social codes which said that this was bad. What triggered those emotions?
Apr 25 2011 6:55PM
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highindasky55
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Well gee, thanks ; ). I'm surprised you ended up back at school... if I had picked ski bum I never would've looked back haha, especially in Cali. Despite what some dimwitted newschoolers might think, I know exactly what you mean when you say you're a Christian but not religious... that's actually more common than you'd think and a really good thing depending on who you ask.

What Jesus actually did with his life has been so distorted by modern religion... just taking bits and pieces of old systems and attaching his name. He didn't teach love/fear for himself and "God" in his life, and the idea of Christ conciousness was actually around long before it was pinned to him. He was actually influenced by eastern traditions of Buddhism and Hermeticism believe it or not, so was Moses... all he wanted was for all of us to love and respect each other honestly. Today's version of the "Bible" is just a storybook with bits and pieces borrowed from history, you can see countless examples if you start digging.

The idea of a Great Flood, for example, has been around for tens of thousands of years and actually is grounded in the scientific reality of cyclic climate change, not a pissed off Creator. When the Great Pyramid was excavated by the Egyptians (who were NOT the first culture to live there, just moved in from elsewhere (Phoenicians?) and did NOT build the pyramids with manpower and log rollers... to do so would have taken 3-4 lifetimes of the respective pharaohs they were "built for" and more food/resources/people than were available in all of Egypt at the time) there was actually a layer of sea salt inches thick coating the floors and some blocks almost 3/4 of the way up the pyramid had watermarks which were removed to preserve the Egyptian claim to pyramid culture (I know people will want the source for this, but it's something I read months ago and can't seem to find again)

Oh and in case you couldn't tell, I've got a really open mind myself because I never had any kind of belief system forced on me... and for better or worse it's left me unbelievably flexible in my opinions. I've been doing an unhealthy amount of research lately looking for answers and the only conclusion left for me to make is that the history of our world and the way things really work go far deeper than "the man" would care for us to know.
Apr 25 2011 7:05PM
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Edew19
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I think my favorite quote is: "What really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation of the world?"  I think it is for a different reason than his original intent though.

The laws of the universe can only be altered by a small fraction and still exist.  So if God really had no choice, why is he needed?  Its like drawing a perfect circle with a stencil.  Congratufuckinlations.  The thing that people have difficulty understanding is that the only reason that we can observe the universe is because it is perfect and it exists.  If it wasn't, there would be nothingness and no one would ever know.

How would we know if all of the universes that were not perfect already took place but no one was there to see it?  And if this universe wasn't perfect, nobody would know either.  This universe is the "one" (although there are an enormous amount of other plausible universe possibilities) not because it was created but simply because it is not "not perfect" and therefore observable.

This was kind of just a thought dump and it might just seem like rambling and not make any sense, sorry.

Apr 25 2011 7:15PM
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SirFryanator
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Einstein.
Apr 25 2011 7:21PM
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shocker611
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i highly question if you have ever been outside of your comfort zone of America (guessing thats where you are from) and actually seen or talked to some of the christians that are "living in their own dirt and suffer day in and day out". I've met kids that have aids, are homeless, and were abandoned by their parents who appreciate life 10x more than I ever will. Are they less "fortunate" than me? Yes.. however that does not mean that they do not love life and their God.. Because we dont live in a socialist world you feel like God does not exist? that doesn't make since to me because even those that live in the worst of conditions can have the strongest faith. You would be surprised at the joy that a kid in Africa has compared to a spoiled brat (probably like myself) in America, and although they may die at 23 of AIDS, they will still worship till their last breath and give God thanks.. life is a blessing, and I feel like those less fortunate oftentimes realize this much better than we ever will.

JamesR, you may now refute my opinions
Apr 25 2011 7:28PM
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shocker611
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I don't understand why people think I am "missing out on life" because I am religious.. I still make the most of my life and being religious is not holding me back at all, and if nothing else it inspires me.. I dont understand how you being atheists=getting more out of life than me.
Apr 25 2011 7:34PM
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shocker611
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no actually that money is going to kids in africa that you dont give a shit about, nice try though
Apr 25 2011 7:37PM
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cwillygood
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good for you man, thats cool


people not to stop hating on what people believe, everyone is different and different opinion is what makes the world go round, so everyone just believe what they believe and respect what others think

/rant
Apr 25 2011 7:44PM
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