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Phish vs. Grateful Dead

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EmperorKuzco
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Me and my friend are in a deep battle over which band is the best I say Phish he says Dead.

NS, who do you prefer?

GOO
Apr 16 2011 12:26PM
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asfffffffffdd
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phish is great, but no one can really compare to the dead.
Apr 16 2011 5:07PM
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Sklar
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Apr 16 2011 5:10PM
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NMA
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I can sell you a noose for extra cheap.
Apr 17 2011 4:29AM
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Willard
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Grateful dead has a lot more music...phish does a lot of covers
Apr 18 2011 11:46AM
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blatt
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Apr 18 2011 2:28PM
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[~_~]
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I can't stand either.
Apr 18 2011 11:07PM
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wesley.
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Grateful Dead easily
Apr 20 2011 9:38PM
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.nasty
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jerry garcia is a hack and sucks at guitar. there I said it, hate away kiddos.
Apr 21 2011 12:23AM
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asfffffffffdd
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as tempted as i am just to hate, I'm more just curious why you say that.... do you dislike jam bands in general or is it specifically jerry, and if thats the case. why?

also, just because a large amount of his songs are based off of basic chords certainly doesn't mean he sucks at guitar. he fucking ripper, and I think that regardless of you taste, it you know anything about guitar you can't disagree with that.
Apr 21 2011 3:40AM
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PeterWojnar
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Phish and the Dead are both excellent, but I'll listen to the Dead over Phish any day— if I had to choose between them to see a concert, I'd go Dead every time. That said, there's a time and place for Phish as well.

Really, though, there are many better bands than each abovestated option.
Apr 21 2011 4:13AM
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Cleeetus
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Life is Good.


Dead is Better.
Apr 21 2011 8:41AM
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[~_~]
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I wouldn't say he sucks, his playing is just boring as fuh. His phrases are random notes on the scale seemingly without any ascending/descending progression, and his vibratos are lame.
Apr 21 2011 11:57AM
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.nasty
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trust me, I love jam bands. I hardly like phish either because they're so boring like the dead. JErry was only "fucking ripper" when he wasn't to lazy to be, and even then you compare his skills to some of the greats like clapton, satriani, or hendrix and he's just a smelly hippy who sucks at guitar. and yes I keep using the word sucks, he may not actually suck but when there's better music out there why listen to boring repetitive music?
Apr 21 2011 12:45PM
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Alex_G
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being from san francisco, i gotta say the Dead.
Apr 21 2011 1:20PM
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BeerWeed
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This is the best reply I've seen on the thread yet and couldn't agree more. The two bands are very different from one another and bring forth totally different vibes, so I feel as though it's pretty difficult to say one is better than the other. For me, it totally depends on my mood and what I want to listen to. I saw Phish in Mansfield, MA last summer so that really strengthened my connection to them and their music, and I'm sure if I could see the Dead live right now it would do the same... maybe I'll have to look into seeing Further? Anyways to add onto what ThomaJoi. was saying, you definitely have to look outside of Jerry's norm.. check out some of his work while in the Jerry Garcia Band, he was really killin the guitar.
Apr 21 2011 3:26PM
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Willard
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I got to see them in the fall in the seattle area. Downpouring rain and in the top 10 experiences of my life.
Apr 21 2011 3:47PM
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asfffffffffdd
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I was there too! I Know You Rider was just about the best moments of my life haha.

As far as this thread goes, I really agree with the fact that you have you look outside the norm of his work to see where he makes it obvious how talented he is. However, even in some of his simpler display's absolute mastery over chord progression and his ability to move between keys so fluently while jamming... This is all of course not even mentioning Bob Weir, who is flat out just a pure badass on guitar!
Apr 21 2011 8:06PM
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butterbrad
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Phis but dead is good too
Apr 21 2011 11:58PM
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butterbrad
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*Phish
Apr 21 2011 11:59PM
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Bob_Loblaw
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So you don't like the Grateful Dead or Phish, but you love jambands? You hoppin on bisco tour? I'm gonna go ahead and say you don't like jambands if you hate on Phish and Dead as being boring and repetitive.

But for the record, Jerry has more soul in his severed finger than Satriani could ever hope for.
Apr 22 2011 1:26AM
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[~_~]
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I agree, but only because I dislike Satriani and Clapton.
Apr 22 2011 2:07AM
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LeoSpaceman
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jon fishman is my hero
Apr 22 2011 10:33AM
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PagesHouse
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I don't know why anyone would ever want to debate this. They're both epic and jam hard. Just listen to them in shifts : )
May 18 2011 3:22PM
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smuggs
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phish if you are on speed, dead if you are on heroin. either or on hallucinigenics
May 24 2011 8:36AM
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BeerWeed
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Seeing both Phish and Further this summer at the Comcast Center in Mansfield MA =]
May 25 2011 8:36PM
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wesley.
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haha so many dead songs are covers dude.
May 25 2011 10:54PM
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theabortionator
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Considering he was one of the best pickers out there.

Also the jamming. So many shit bands out there could never think about jamming.


I would go GD for sure. I love phish, but easy choice on the dead.

Jun 24 2011 12:41AM
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theabortionator
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Lol, boring repetitive music where no song is really ever the same? That's a pretty dumb thought on your side. My buddy got be and him backstage passes to see a few popular shitty bands of these days. We went to like 3 or 4 shows a few years ago, every setlist was the same, every song was played the same, even the banter was the same.


I'd call that boring repetitive music.

And slandypoo.

Lol at "rrandom notes on the scale seemingly without any ascending/descending progression, and his vibratos are lame. "

PeachCobblerU...

Go ahead and check out further. A lot of people knock them but they're pretty good. I mean It's a cover band with 2 og members, but they're playing well. "the dead" tours before that were hit or miss. For me further has been playing better. Still will never be gd though.


taj.$

Yeah but not in a while. Haven't seen them since fake jerry left. They put on a real good show. Sucks that the price jumped up to 40 bucks though. That was the only thing that kept me from seeing them again a couple months ago.

Willard "Grateful dead has a lot more music...phish does a lot of covers "

That's a terrible point.



Anyone who thinks jerry was a shitty guitarist sucks at music. Not saying you have to like the dead, not saying you have to like phish. Just saying that if you can't appreciate good musicianship you should cease posting about it.

And the dead phish comparison is just as dumb as many of the comparisons going on today


Jun 30 2011 4:27AM
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[~_~]
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I'd say my statement was valid. Jerry was an extremely talented guitarist, but he just isn't my style. Jerry pioneered the jam band-style of jumping sporadically around pentatonic scales, rather than having a deliberate and climaxing movement embedded within. You can't deny that he had more of a stark flow to his playing compared to Hendrix or Gilmour, which is what I really mean.
Jul 7 2011 9:33PM
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Bob_Loblaw
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Wow really? I would say you have it completely backwards. Jerry was known for his arpeggios and major scale runs, and he never played in pentatonic scales. The whole point of the Grateful Dead is deliberate climaxing movements, so I'm not sure what your point is there.



As opposed to Hendrix who did jump around the pentatonic scale. Hendrix was a blues player who's entire playing style is jumping all over the place while in pentatonic blues scales.



I'm not gonna bring Gilmour into this, because it's completely different. He plays composed solos and doesn't improvise like Jerry or Jimi.






Jul 8 2011 3:56PM
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baethoven
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I wasn't planning on bumping this thread due to the miserable hate on both bands. But this post was too good, and too on point to not to give recognition to.
Oct 2 2011 6:10AM
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frogz
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Phish is pure GARBAGE. the Dead were very talented and their music lives on forever. fuck Phish and all their crunchy fans
Oct 2 2011 3:21PM
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hawaiiansteeze
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i saw phish on new years day at MSG and they blew my mind. absolutely amazing show the vibe was perfect. i also just saw furthur in slc and it was also an unbelievable show. the deads music is great.

i enjoy them both, i dont know if i could choose one over the other.
Oct 2 2011 5:03PM
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I.B
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Greatful dead
Oct 2 2011 5:08PM
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Spic-N-SpaN
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the dead for sure. Ive tried many times to get into phish, but just cant. if someone wants to help me in my venture that would be cool
Oct 2 2011 5:33PM
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Treestman
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vaAD6-XOBs

Raging Carini

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H8rV_D1RoM&feature=related

Oct 2 2011 5:53PM
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Treestman
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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5H8rV_D1RoM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Oct 2 2011 5:57PM
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Treestman
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT56B7pY11E&feature=related   more pish slaying
Oct 2 2011 6:04PM
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jaylib
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dead lives on forever
Oct 2 2011 6:08PM
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JIB_WALRUS
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for me grateful dead is better but they do both have there own kinds of ben and jerry's ice cream ha
Oct 2 2011 6:20PM
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hella.sick.skier
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im confused as to why this is even being argued? its the greatful dead
Oct 2 2011 7:52PM
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king.tubby
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id have to research but id put money on phish having more originals than the dead. dead played lots of covers as well. phish gets my vote. waaaaayyyyyy better musicianship. way better jamming. any phish song has the potential to be a jumping off point for intricate improv that at tiimes sounds like a whole new song. gd jams either just riff on the same theme for fifteen minutes- ie an eyes of the world, or devolves into atonal arhythmic noodling, ie playin in the band or dark star. i do give gd the edge as far as lyrics go. i mean seriously, phish has what, like four songs that reference slicing nipples? i dont think phish will ever be as universal as gd. theyll never have a touch of grey. their music isnt quite as approachable. but for my money, im taking phish any day of the week. mike slays phil. fishman is my fave drummer ever. page pwns any keyboardist the dead had, with the possible exception of godcheaux. technically i think trey is the better guitarist, though jerry probably had more soul. phish for life!
Oct 2 2011 11:09PM
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Boodje.
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phish=wanna be dead
Oct 3 2011 12:51PM
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CJHski
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I don't think the two should even be compared.  Different eras.
Oct 6 2011 3:07PM
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king.tubby
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bump for phish pwning the dead
Oct 22 2011 2:20PM
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EricaMN.
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ironically i already have you at zero...
Oct 22 2011 2:33PM
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GratefulShred
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bingoooooooooo
Oct 23 2011 5:41AM
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jksl
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download a live one, listen to the hood

10/31/94 reba


if you're not hooked after those, then i don't know what to tell you
Nov 25 2011 1:46PM
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king.tubby
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i would honestly start with studio stuff before delving into their VAST live catalogue. try billy breathes, the story of the ghost, farmhouse, rift. all sick albums.
Nov 25 2011 6:57PM
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baethoven
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As a Phish fan I really don't understand why they made that song (I realize you're talking about the album, which IS rather good). Farmhouse is a miserable song though, like I said, I just don't really understand it.
Nov 25 2011 8:24PM
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