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Christianity Vs. The Existence of Wizards (Harry Potter)

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MNS
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Which is more likely to exist and why?

I think harry potter because if wizards exist and we saw them they could have cast a memory charm on us, they also have other spells to remain hidden.
Apr 9 2011 1:18AM
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tommyp1ckles
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you've got me all wrong man, this isnt at all personal. i know that most religuos people are intelligent and moral people, i know because i used to be catholic.
but thats what really gets me is that religion makes very smart/ good people believe in some absolutely messed up shit, it boggles my mind why any good person would want to worship such a cruel and evil god as the one described in the bible. and yet religion makes us believe that this "god' is all loving.

i find it terrifying that religious people look forward to the rapture, how can we possibly improve our world if a good majority of the worlds population wants the world to end,
like again i find it amazing that people dont see how absolutely scary this all is, our leaders that hold the nuclear power capable of destroying our world believe and represent people who believe that they will be "saved" when the world ends, religion weakens the one thing that has prevented us from destroying ourselves, our fear of death.




Apr 12 2011 11:54AM
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jibnut
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I'm Christian. Was raised on Harry Potter though. I was in love with Draco Malfoy. If Malfoy was real, I would do horrible things to him.
Apr 12 2011 11:58AM
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shocker611
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uh oh here comes JamesR again
Apr 12 2011 12:08PM
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shocker611
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Alright I missunderstood what you were saying, and definately understand where you are coming from now
Apr 12 2011 12:10PM
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tommyp1ckles
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haha cool man, i hope you give what i said some thought sometime.
Apr 12 2011 12:19PM
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shocker611
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oh I always do, I dont care if somebody is even coming at me with hate, its still gonna make me think. and a lot of time I do doubt my faith, like everyone does, but at the end of the day it just seems everytime I doubt something just brings me back..
Apr 12 2011 12:44PM
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Yourboybangs
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Plus K for atheism
Apr 12 2011 12:49PM
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shocker611
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yeah man atheism is so RAD
Apr 12 2011 1:39PM
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Alex_G
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your stupidity?

come on let's be real now...how can you be faithful that this gigantic planet was created by a fictitious person that only people have made up, and let alone made in 7 days...how do you know the writers of the bible weren't fucking with people and trying to make their names known in history just for the hell of it?
Apr 12 2011 2:00PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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it is. better to be logical with your beliefs than foolish.
Apr 12 2011 3:17PM
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7-3instacall
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I would much rather go to hogwarts than heaven when i die
Apr 12 2011 3:46PM
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HermioneGranger
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I don't believe religion has become outdated; it is integral to understanding areas such as the Middle East, India, and Indochina. I think if we are to understand the southern United States, we need a good understanding of Christianity.

I do, however, agree religion can be harmful, but there is no reason to disparage the whole because of radicals and assholes; Think of it in terms of Frederick Douglass' epilogue in his Narrative; in short, his beef is not with Christianity, it is with the slave-holding Christianity of the south, and those who do not practice what they preach.
Apr 12 2011 4:14PM
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spidermanatadesk
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If you're going to try and have a rational discussion with a religious person, at least try and make it so one of you won't sound like an idiot.
Apr 12 2011 4:15PM
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HermioneGranger
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Sorry for the double post, but in other words, the difference between Constantinian and Prophetic Christianity.
Apr 12 2011 4:44PM
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thejibninja
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the most pithetic fourm of arguement is the arguements on these fourms. your all fools!
Apr 12 2011 6:27PM
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CKpolicy
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who is on a high horse? and you best get a new one, god doesnt dig drugs.
Apr 12 2011 6:34PM
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Cthulhu
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maybe in your opinion but as far as i'm concerned most of the smartest men throughout history have been atheist, all in all it doesn't really matter, to each his own.
Apr 12 2011 6:37PM
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shocker611
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galileo, isaac newton, MLK? Just saying those are some pretty smart people to me
Apr 12 2011 7:29PM
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HermioneGranger
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Regardless of whether or not you make a good argument for or against God's existence, what counts is that you have one. If you haven't thought about God's existence/nonexistense, you haven't spent enough time thinking about your own existence in the world.
Apr 12 2011 8:55PM
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*geezer*
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wise words there
Apr 12 2011 9:03PM
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BmoChop
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I believe that no matter how you slice it, there are certain things that can't be explained and other things that are beyond comprehension. I personally believe in a God, though not necessarily as it is told in the Bible and at Church. I have multiple friends who are atheists, and have nothing against them, and in fact find many of their arguments to be valid, but for myself, I believe by some inherent gut feeling that there is a higher power. But, I think it is different for every person and I think that everyone's interpretation is up to them, believing in a God, multiple Gods, or no Gods. I'm not saying I'm a perfect Christian (far off in fact) but I find everyone's interpretations important and interesting. To each his own, why does it have to be an argument. However, I don't respect people who cannot present their opinions in a polite way, and thusly the, "As long as there're idiots, there will be religion" people get me annoyed, but whatever.
Apr 12 2011 9:14PM
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shocker611
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agreed
Apr 13 2011 1:37PM
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spidermanatadesk
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What are you talking about? People who have completely invalid arguments for the existence of god need to learn basic logic and re-examine their beliefs.
Apr 13 2011 2:21PM
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T-Holt
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Are you all fucking kidding me? This thread was clearly not meant to be serious.
Apr 13 2011 2:35PM
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Willard
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KEWL...stop posting now
Apr 13 2011 2:46PM
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HermioneGranger
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Are you saying they need to learn logic to redetermine why they believe God exists, or are you saying they need to use logic because, from your perspective, God cannot exist?
Apr 13 2011 3:20PM
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spidermanatadesk
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The former. All arguments i have ever heard for the existence of the judeo-christian god/any other god from mainstream religion are fundamentally flawed. However, because people are blinded by their "faith", they are unable to see this flaw, despite the possibilty of them being an otherwise intelligent, rational person.
Apr 13 2011 3:29PM
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smallmtskier
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A lot of you are saying its unintelligent to believe in something with no proof, therefore religion is false. But if there were proof then the whole concept would be out the window. Faith in something is believing even when you can not see it, thats the gist of religion. Dont go telling people theyre ignorant for having hope in something. As my extremely athiest professor pointed out,

 "no matter your belief, it is hard to not see the beauty in the idea of christianity. an all powerful god who willingly went to earth to die just so that pitiful humans could live forever, thats powerful stuff man. eventhough i dont believe it... my religion is Greateful Dead man."

Apr 13 2011 3:56PM
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spidermanatadesk
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What?

Don't you see what you just said? Religion is good because you should believe it without questioning it? How the fuck can you justify that as a good reason to believe in it? Surely, if anything, that shows why people still believe in such bullshit... because they are told that believing in something without any evidence is in some way a virtue.


I don't find much beauty in the idea that almost everyone who has ever lived is suffering for eternity in hell, and that there is a being that can read all my thoughts and know everything i will ever do, that can tell me how i should act and live my life, and if i don't do as he wishes i will burn in hell. That we should worship him and pray to him, despite the fact that prayers will never be answered. That he allows there to be so much suffering and pain and sadness in the world... I don't really find any of these things to be too beautiful. I think its pretty horrific.
Apr 13 2011 4:10PM
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smallmtskier
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The thing about christianity is that God understands that people cant live up to his expectations, so thats why he provided a way out of it through dying. Christianity doesnt say "if you sin youre going to hell no matter what" it says "look, everybody does bad stuff, all you gotta do is admit it and trust that this jesus guy did someting about it."

and what i meant by giving people hope, thats for after they die. without religion, what happens to you after death is pretty bleak. But with religion, no matter what religion it is, theres something to look forward to.

Apr 13 2011 4:26PM
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BMB
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I don't know. As my Mom once said, "No one really believes in this anyway" So OP Christianity does exist because it is an established institution. The idea of wizards exists as well. As far as either holding to true to certain promises of eternal life, or magic we will never know for sure.
Apr 13 2011 4:46PM
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shocker611
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http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=8798180154&topic=17912

Link won't work, sorry.. but I would like to see you get in an argument with this guy about it and win. Read through some of it, I know its super long but just try to bear with him and grasp his concepts with your narrow thinking little brain
Apr 13 2011 5:07PM
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Willard
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whats the Greateful dead? I cant even stand the whole faith arguement that itself is 100% ignorant.
Apr 13 2011 5:35PM
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poopypants69
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this thread is swaying too far. i thin the OP meant for us to discuss which possibility is for likely to exist?

harry potter IMO
Apr 13 2011 5:57PM
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Sleet
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Ask yourself this, where has religion gotten us in this world? it starts wars, and provokes debates, like the one im partaking in right now. Science on the other hand has taken us to the moon. If you think the earth was made for us and we are the center of the universe, read a fucking book. Although i do believe relgion is  load of bull shit, I also believe in happiness. If having faith in a religion makes you happy, go for it; so long it doesn't get in the way of another persons happiness (IE: starting a war)

Apr 13 2011 6:23PM
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JamesR
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"the Inventor of the laws of physics and the Programmer of the DNA code decided to enter the uterus of a Jewish virgin, got himself born, then deliberately had himself tortured and executed because he couldn't think of a better way to forgive the theft of an apple, committed at the instigation of a talking snake. As Creator of the majestically expanding universe, he not only understands relativistic gravity and quantum mechanics but actually DESIGNED them. Yet what he really cares about is "sin", abortion, how often you go to church, and whether gay people should marry." Bump lol
Apr 13 2011 8:17PM
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spidermanatadesk
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Eternity chilling with a bunch of religious nutjobs doesn't sound too fun. I think i'd get pretty bored after the first 500 trillion years. I'd much rather not exist.
Apr 13 2011 8:55PM
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The_Big_Tuna
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Apr 13 2011 8:57PM
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shocker611
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i seriously hope that i could meet half of you in real life so you can see how much of a "religious nutjob" I am
Apr 13 2011 10:19PM
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spidermanatadesk
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I'm talking about the doctrine of the religion, not you specifically.
Apr 13 2011 10:59PM
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MaMann
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Um can i please sig this?
Apr 13 2011 11:48PM
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jorb.co
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wizards. i laughed.

Apr 13 2011 11:54PM
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MN_Nice
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I like this, but there's also a counter part. Science has brought us war as well. Fucking tiny space probe Sputnik scared the shit out of people and almost caused an all out war.
Apr 14 2011 12:35AM
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.jon
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Hermoine throwin' down the knowledge!
Apr 14 2011 12:38AM
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spidermanatadesk
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You have a very poor understanding of the history of the cold war.
Apr 14 2011 12:54AM
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T.Hartman
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talking about theology on newschoolers = last cause. To the dude who started this thread....what was your purpose? To make people who do believe in Jesus upset and frustrated?

If so man.. you really need to mature up.
Apr 14 2011 1:57AM
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MNS
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my bad, i'll pray for them, that helps right?
Apr 14 2011 2:27AM
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HermioneGranger
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Seriously, I always regret getting involved in theology discussions on NS. Such is life.
Apr 14 2011 2:30AM
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spidermanatadesk
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*lost cause

















Apr 14 2011 2:36AM
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T.Hartman
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ballz.... I'm about to graduate from college and I can't even spell right.
Apr 14 2011 3:38AM
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