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Powder's response to the Alta is for Racists video

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KevinDineen
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http://www.powdermag.com/office-blog/office-blog-alta-is-for-racists-rebuttal/

I posted a couple of comments on the thread on Levitation Project's facebook, and they defriended me. (Funny enough, because I'm not for the snowboard ban, just against Nazi Tourettes).

I figured I'd post my thoughts here instead.

Mar 19 2011 2:04PM
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PBraunstein
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this.


you're acting like a fucking highschooler right now... and i can give two shits about respect from some putz that is from fucking new york that thinks he knows what he's talking about because hes a mod for a website that is predominately ran by 12 year olds.

i had no previous agenda, but merely was trying to clear up a falsification produced by one of said 12 year olds, and let others that arent from this area know that Alta is in fact on public land.

my statements about the leasing and tax issue is clearly that. I dont think that it is fair for everyone in the state of Utah to be paying taxes on park land that only some can use.


Mar 21 2011 1:04PM
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SkierX
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Just bringing this post back up to prove that noone put words into his mouth. Clearly he made an analogy that leasing the land is just like leasing a car.

If you are going to make statements that someone should not talk unless they know what they are talking about, I would suggest that person heed their own advice.
Mar 21 2011 1:07PM
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PBraunstein
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to prove that leasing means that you dont OWN the property!


Mar 21 2011 1:09PM
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SkierX
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Fine. You're right.

Because it's public land that's only leased, we should all be allowed to take saucers up the lifts and slide down on those because it's our damn land!
Mar 21 2011 1:14PM
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SFBv420.0
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Dude which part about this not being a public land issue but a  private lifts, being built maintained and staffed by a private company are you not understanding?
Mar 21 2011 1:16PM
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PBraunstein
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holy shit.


now youre just coming off as stupid
Mar 21 2011 1:17PM
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SkierX
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It does sound ridiculous. That is the point.

Why does it sound less ridiculous when you replace the word suacer with snowboard?
Mar 21 2011 1:28PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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Because one can control a snowboard. Saucers are not controllable.

Snowboards are another safe mode of snow travel.
Mar 21 2011 1:40PM
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McLeod
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saucers are uncontrollable if you suck at saucering. sounds like that might be the case with you : /
Mar 21 2011 2:11PM
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spoNge
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Altas ban on snowboarding is ridiculous and completely unjustified.

The Levitation project is the most dedicated group of soul riders i've ever come across.  They don't hate on skiing, they actually embrace it, and endorse it, They don't care how you get down the mountain, just that you do it because you love it.

Levitation works hard to keep their company green and our winters white.  In my opinion, the Winter industry needs more people that actually call out bullshit like chinese outsourcing and mass pollution in the production of the tools all skiers and snowboarders use

Mar 21 2011 2:16PM
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Soccerfocus05
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"Unless we expel the [snowboard] people soon, they will have judaized our [steezy] people within a very short time.”
I think we have all been blind to the single most important issue at hand here... SNOWBLADERS!
They are vermin, a sub species who are defame the wintersports community and must be dealt with.

If anyone's sarcasm meter is broken today, ^ that measured at 97 units of irony, and the above quote comes from none other than Hitler...
yes, Alta is privately owned and can refuse service etc... but why would they? If they want to pretend that its an issue of limited lift capacity/ skiable area, limit total ticket sales/day or something- don't ban an arbitrary group of people- (no boarders is as arbitrary as saying "today is Thursday, anyone wearing the color magenta may not ski today").
I don't know if its purely imagined, but I always get a vibe from a resort- regardless of terrain/price/conditions- Alta has sick terrain, the legendary lake effect pow, but I did notice a sense of elitism when there- you'll find bad apples at any mountain though.
Mar 21 2011 2:24PM
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blindside
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Don't mind me, I'm just here to watch more industry representatives make asses of themselves.
Mar 21 2011 2:39PM
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thisisastickup
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kind of like almost every single damn thing that tax money goes to in this country, right?

moot point is moot

Mar 21 2011 3:00PM
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TWoods
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Again, missing the point.

The point is that if they want to close the lifts they own and the land they maintain to boarders, they can. You may see it as ridiculous; that's your opinion. In their opinion it's not ridiculous. And, because it's their opinion, it is indeed justified by that opinion as they are the ones who manage it.





As for the defense of Levitation - why would they care so much about resort riding if they are so core? Playing devil's advocate there BTW. They didn't make the Alta is for Racists video anyways, if you hadn't figured that out.
Mar 21 2011 3:07PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Kinda a big reason I enjoy NS personally.
Mar 21 2011 3:15PM
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powday
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psshhhhh I just got back from snowboarding at Alta like 2 minutes ago.....YALL IS STRAIGHT TRIPPIN SONNNNNNNNNN
Mar 21 2011 3:24PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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Mar 21 2011 3:27PM
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powday
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Were in the KILLIN NAZI BUISNESS. And let me tell you.... BUSINESS IS A BOOMIN
Mar 21 2011 3:30PM
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inactive
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yeah, its not like there's a shortage of dope mountains in utah.
Mar 21 2011 4:46PM
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PBraunstein
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the "holy shit" wasnt geared towards youre retarded comment, it was aimed at how astonished i am that theres such dumb people in this world, and even more amazed that youve somehow become a mod on this website.

please just stop with this stupid argument. I never said what you're accusing me of saying, or even insinuated it for that matter. one last time, all i said was that Alta does not own the property.
Mar 21 2011 5:41PM
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dirty.
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^I dont understand why youre so heated over this. You can snowboard all you want at Alta, just cant get on a lift with a snowboard strapped to your feet. ive seen dozens of them shredding Alta's world class groomers(ha), considering thats all they are really going to get too without having to bottle neck (or posthole) the shit out of mostly up hill traverses. Alta Ski Lifts Co. doesnt need snowboarders to buy lift tickets to stay i business, so why change what good thing they have going and put the business in jeopardy? alta would honestly suck if it was packed with a bunch of joey knuckledraggers, the beaters there are already enough believe me
Mar 21 2011 6:31PM
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dirty.
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^ it wouldnt suck because thats just impossible, but it would be much less enjoyable have to dodge sitting snowboarders lefts and right
Mar 21 2011 6:37PM
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PBraunstein
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thing is, im not heated at all.. i mean i obviously have my opinion on the matter, but in the end i agree with what smuggs said pages back. it really has nothing to do with all of these arguments, it has to do with the fact that alta makes plenty of money doing what theyve been doing, so why change it now.


Im allowed to think that it's stupid, and i would love to one day see it change, but it really doesnt affect me either way, I just think the typical reasons that people give for the matter are lame.


it wasnt until the trolling assbag of a mod started calling me out for shit i didnt say that i started to have an issue.
Mar 21 2011 6:44PM
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turducken
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Whoever made that video needs to go fuck themselves. There isn't even a hint of racism. It just seems that snowboarders are shitty because they're not as cool as they thought they were. I'm not saying it's fair or justified that they're not allowed in, it's a calculated business decision. These people are all about making money so why wouldn't do what ''They believe is best'

To me it sounds like the exact same thing that skiers went through when the park was only for snowboarders. Stop bitching and moaning over it and find something productive to do.
Mar 21 2011 6:45PM
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McLeod
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indeeed, paul is correct.
Mar 21 2011 6:46PM
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ThaLetterM.
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YES. hours of entertainment
Mar 21 2011 6:49PM
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snowbombz
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ALTA IS FOR EXTREME GAPERS!!!!!
Mar 21 2011 7:17PM
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dirty.
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I get where youre coming from PB with the whole tax payers thing. bummer youre the one everyones agruing about this with. You just cant let these incompetent dumb ass kids get to you, but trust me, Alta needs snowboarders like i need broken pencil in my peehole
Mar 21 2011 7:28PM
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ukskier999
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Out of interest, could a boarder in theory ride the mountain but not the lift system- obviously very unlikely but hypothetically?
Mar 21 2011 7:48PM
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SkierX
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Yes, and it is done all the time. From a legal standpoint too, the rider should be in the clear if they stayed on natural terrain and natural snow. Alta's rights begin at the services they provide: the lifts, lodges, grooming, snowmaking, trail cutting, etc... The mountain itself is public land.
Mar 21 2011 7:54PM
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dirty.
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^yes, boarders come over from snowbird all the time, you just cant get on a lift with a snowboard, although i have witness a few exceptions
Mar 21 2011 7:58PM
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SFBv420.0
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Alta doesn't allow uphill traffic but snowboarder are free to come over from cathrines pass, twin lakes pass.hell you could skin over from american fork. Beats me why anyone would expend that kind of energy. They also allow snowboarders to pay ride their cat up Grizzly to ski S facing Michigian Shiity. They do occasionally allow boarders on the lift for avvy classes.

Oh and Alf Engen had more soul in his pinkie than the entire levitation project crew and created a real cultural movement not selling stickers and swag to gulliable wanna be's

Mar 21 2011 8:16PM
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Chlamydia
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or learn how to ski moguls
Mar 21 2011 8:35PM
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spoNge
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nothing wanna be about it man, they want everyone to be able to enjoy the same terrain, if you follow them youd see there not doing it so they can make millions,  tons of their riders are already heavily sponsored and are extremely influential on the sport of snowboarding.  There shops been empty for months, there coming out with the new line in a few days and for the first week, %100 of the money made is donated to help Japan dude.
Sit there and tell me alta would be willing to donate there entire opening weeks profits.


Mar 21 2011 8:46PM
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dirty.
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hit the nail on the head
Mar 21 2011 8:47PM
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snowbombz
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just cross the street and ski at snowbird if its a big deal, how hard is that?
Mar 21 2011 9:58PM
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californiagrown
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this guy would beg to differ...

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Mar 22 2011 6:02PM
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TheQuailman
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The video is a joke, they're not saying that Alta is actually racist, they're just saying that its like racism in that one group of people are not being allowed to do what they want.

We all know that snowboarders switching to skiing to try Alta is not the same thing as riding it, just as if you had to switch to a snowboard to try a mountain.

We all know snowboarders can ride the other mountains in the area but its clearly not the same thing or else why would anyone ever go to Alta if they could just ride other mountains.

At every other mountain in the world, snowboarders make the same traverses and ride the same slopes and chutes that skiers do, its complete bullshit that they wouldn't be able to hike or traverse the mountain when snowboarders do it at every other mountain.

I also can't imagine that if Alta opened up for snowboarders they wouldn't make a ton of money.  So many families don't ride their because they have kids that snowboard.  Also think of all the boarders who would travel their to try it because it had never been open before. Its clearly a tradition-old people who hate snowboarders-not a business decision.

Mar 22 2011 7:18PM
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joshua
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And yet somehow, life goes on................
Mar 24 2011 2:19PM
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smuggs
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quail man, alta sells nearly every chair full nearly every day of the high winter. why do they need to bother with snowboarders.

infact now im pissed at burton for not making any ski equiptment. how the fuck do they hold themselves so high and mighty and desciminate against a group of people for not making products that i want. i dont fucking believe it, they could make so much more money if they made skis too!
Mar 24 2011 2:39PM
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californiagrown
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I WANNA SKI LIKE SHAUN WHITE!!!!
Mar 24 2011 2:41PM
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TheClap.
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this
Mar 24 2011 2:53PM
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SFBv420.0
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the levitation project = tools

If they wanted to not B tools they'd delete that shit off their blog

yo kd no dm captain pow at the 40th shindig?

WTF didn't bro start that mag???

No $$$ to bring him to the bash?

Don't worry SFB and the Maggots that formerly posted on POWDER haz a plan

See ya there even if we crash

hows DANIEL?

Yo roogles strong article on spider your best story yet

KUDOS BRO

Nov 10 2011 10:17AM
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Willard
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The day snowboarders hit alta is the day im calling High Cascade for a session
Nov 10 2011 1:18PM
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KevinDineen
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Helpful, the Captain will be at the 40th party. Who said he wouldn't be.
Nov 10 2011 2:29PM
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DubV134
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you may be able to get that published........
Nov 10 2011 2:40PM
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