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Texas To Allow Guns On Campus

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Mike-O
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Fuck that shit.

I didn't even know that Utah already permitted it or that Colorado Universities have the choice to allow concealed carry-ons on campus.

The limitless amount of scenarios where this shit can go wrong...
Feb 21 2011 9:43AM
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XtRemE11
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The US also has shitty places like LA, a shit ton of gangs, and mexicans to drive up these numbers.
my aunt lives in nebraska, and in her town basically every single household owns multiple guns. and there has not been one gun related crime in something like 40 years. its a town of like 150,000 too.

there is hardly any crime at all because nobody wants to risk robbing someone who most likely has a gun next to his bed.

gangs will have guns regardless of any laws, do you really think that disarming everyone BUT them will do any good? if i lived in an area with a lot of crime and gangs i would definitely have a concealed carry.

i know ive said this before but ill say it again, disarming the law abiding public makes the people scared of criminals and the government, but its the criminals and the government that need to be scared of the public.

and what about the people that use guns for sport? or for hunting? i know multiple people who's entire meat supply comes from hunting.




Feb 22 2011 9:51AM
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CAPSLOCK*
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I totally agree that gun ownership is not the only factor influencing crime rate; social services, job opportunities and higher education are the other important variables that come into play.

Here's the picture in the U.S. right now : the social services are more generous and more accessible than before but are far lower than in most other developped countries, the unemployement rate is at its highest since the great depression and top colleges are incredibly expensive to get in (Yes i know you can get a scolarship but that only applies to a tiny group of people).

Considering this, I think it's fair to say that hope is not at its highest in your country right now. What happens when people start loosing hope? Violence increases. Combine that with american pro-gun culture and you've got a receipe for disaster.

Back to gun ownership, the problem is not hunting guns or sport rifles which are only involved in a minority of gun related crimes/deaths. The problem lies within hand guns and automatic weapons, they're the ones involved in the vast majority of crimes.

I'm not saying any option is better, I'm saying that it all comes down to what you're ready to accept as a society. If you want more guns, then you have to accept that, in general, there will be an increase is gun related crimes, that's 100% guaranteed. Yes, in several cases it's totally possible that more gun carriers will stop criminal or save lives but in general there will be more deaths.
Feb 23 2011 6:41PM
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XtRemE11
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good post,
i agree, it does come down to "what your ready to accept as a society" freedom does not come without consequence, yes, we have a very pro gun society, which means that we have a lot of guns. they are everywhere in the U.S. and easy to get a hold of legally and illegally.
i wont deny that our pro gun culture makes it easy to commit a gun related crime. but i will still argue that when more citizens have guns, it prevents crime, as its adding guns and giving power to the law abiding citizen, which means the people can have more power over criminals and the government.
i know the whole "more gun ownership prevents crime" thing has been argued to death so ill stop.

now lets pretend that more gun ownership equals more crime. obviously i dont agree with this but lets just pretend.
it still wouldnt change my opinion on our firearm laws. like i said above freedom does not come without consequence, i would be fine with the added risk, so long as i could have the freedom to protect myself and have power over criminals and the government. id rather fear the people than fear the government, which is what would happen if we went to the other extreme. and my opinion will always be that as long as we have a military with firearms, the people need to have the right to carry what a foot soldier can carry.

i really hate the argument that people use with gun, healthcare, taxes, etc.. arguments.. comparing the US to other countries. the US is not supposed to be like Canada, or like European countries. if you want that, move! i like the idea that an individual is responsible for his own well being and should have as much freedom as possible without taking away the right to live. unfortunately i cant say that the US has really become what it was meant to be. we have far too many social services, useless taxes, and absurd laws that take away sooo many of our rights. we are far from the free country that we should be.

anyway im getting off topic... so yeah..

Feb 23 2011 9:59PM
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