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FOR SALE: Great wide angle, vivitar 20mm 3.8 for nikon (or canon)

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eheath
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Hey guys, bought this lens for my 35mm setup and got a ridiculous amount of vignette due to the small rear element. Its a great lens and would work amazing on any digital or film body, its made for nikon but i can include an adapter for canon for 10 extra bucks. This would be a perfect wide angle for video or photo. Glass is great, lens overall is 9/10.

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Looking for 125 shipped.
Dec 7 2010 11:20PM
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.jr
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From all of M&A, thank you.

I put my 20mm 2.8 on a film body a few days back, shits stupid wide. This would be about an equivalent of a 13mm on a crop body.
Dec 7 2010 11:27PM
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eheath
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Yeah, my gf used it today to take some film pictures and there isn't any falloff and its so wide. Just too small of a rear element for 35mm adapter. looking into wide zooms now, their rear elements are much bigger.
Dec 7 2010 11:31PM
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basedjase
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Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 is tits:
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Dec 7 2010 11:58PM
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.jr
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Yeah thats exactly what he wants. A full frame lens with a small rear gave him a shit ton of vignette, so you recommend a lens thats for crop sensors only? Seriously, intellectually, M&A is so piss poor.
Dec 8 2010 12:06AM
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eheath
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Ha yeah and a lens thats 400 more dollars than i want to spend. Im looking at samyung 18-28, tokina 19-35 and sigma 21-35. None of them are consistant apertures but also none over them are over 50 bucks haha.
Dec 8 2010 12:15AM
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.jr
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Please dont do this to yourself.
Dec 8 2010 12:25AM
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family_vacation
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if you're investing a couple gs into a hvx and 35mm adapter setup, why would you buy a cheap lens?
Dec 8 2010 12:31AM
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eheath
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im broke and want a wide lens, best i can do without spending 500+
Dec 8 2010 12:36AM
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basedjase
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Im shooting with that lens on a 35mm and it doesnt have any vingetting at all. Thats why i suggested that lens. Sorry for pissing you off so bad dude.

@Heath, i had no idea that you were only looking to spend <100 max ish. otherwise i wouldnt have suggested the 11-16.
Dec 8 2010 12:56AM
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.jr
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Then post a picture that you shot on full frame camera at 11mm.
Dec 8 2010 1:04AM
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basedjase
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That picture was taken on a d2h, which i pretty sure is full frame.
If its not, than i stand corrected. & ill take it back.
Dec 8 2010 1:12AM
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.jr
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Its a crop body, please take this opportunity to realize that you should not spew misinformation as fact in M&A when you aren't really sure of it.
Dec 8 2010 1:14AM
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basedjase
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Alrighty, opportunity taken. I generally dont just "spew out misinformation", but i messed up in this case. Sorry.
Dec 8 2010 1:19AM
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Ben.
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i cant decide which is worse in M&A these days, the misinformation, or the photo-elitism.
Dec 8 2010 11:10AM
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EC-Skier
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seriously thinking about this
Dec 8 2010 11:20AM
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eheath
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It looks really good on a crop body, i threw it on my 40d and its wiiidee.
Dec 8 2010 12:37PM
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WillStart
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photo-elitism by far. m&a is supposed to be a place were people who know their shit can discuss, and people who don't can come here to learn. occasionally, we're going to have to deal with people who make a mistake, but we should politely correct them so people feel welcome to ask questions that might seem dumb or obvious to the rest of us.

even the best of us make mistakes when we're talking about this shit. i was wrong about something a couple days ago, and I see plenty of the more prominent m&a users say pretty ridiculous/ignorant things from time to time.

if you want to be in a forum where everybody is right about everything photo/video related all of the time, make a closed cult and stay there.
Dec 8 2010 1:05PM
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.jr
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Making a mistake is fine by me. But when you make comments/suggestions as fact, and they are wrong, we have a problem. Shit can start to snowball really quick and Ive seen pick up steam over the last few months. If you only know something, because you heard it once, or read it once, don't go around telling everyone its the truth. Do a little research/experimentation/testing/whatever.

Im tired of seeing people come to this forum looking for help, and having people tell them wrong shit. And no this isnt a bashing of bulbasaur, I cant say Ive seen too much out of him, he just happened to be the unlucky one to run across this thread.
Dec 8 2010 1:57PM
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thisandthatfilms
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uuuugh do want this lens
Dec 8 2010 2:24PM
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KAS
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If you see someone saying shit that's wrong then correct them a bit more politely, and with less sarcasm, that also adds to the mess of the threads in here. The more sarcasm the more people take things offensively. WE NEED PEOPLE TO BE SERIOUS (basically everywhere on this site).

AND if you (anybody) are getting mad, don't just "yell" at people, that will help makes things clearer.
Dec 8 2010 3:22PM
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dozerr
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save it for when i get back dummyyy
Dec 8 2010 3:29PM
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.jr
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Ive never really figured out why people get their panties all in a wad over internet discussions.
Dec 8 2010 3:53PM
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WillStart
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I think everybody is just saying that there's no need to be more rude than is necessary.

For example, when I "incorrectly" said that the D7000 doesn't have continuous autofocus, I was told "False. False. False.

The D7000 has continuous autofocus during video shooting..."

Not that this was a big deal, but the tone is pretty unnecessary. First of all, I didn't say 3 incorrect things, just one (which wasn't really even that incorrect. Nikon only claims to have continuous autofocus, but it's not like a video camera's autofocus at all).

Just saying, in the future it would be awesome to see replies like, "Actually, the D7000 does have continuous autofocus, even though it doesn't work very well at all."

I'm not really concerned about this for myself because I will admit that I came off as though I was very sure I knew what I was talking about, but more for people who might not really know what they're saying and are just repeating things they heard somewhere; I feel bad for kids who get wrecked in here for saying something wrong.
Dec 8 2010 4:23PM
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.jr
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Im sorry but you can't expect to bash on a camera with wrong information only to have the camera owner politely tell you you are wrong. That's just not how it works outside of anyone's fantasy world. Everyone just needs to stop being a little sissy. I highly doubt that Jordan said false false false to hurt your feelings. Just like I dont say things to hurt anyones feelings, but for them to learn. And no I wont candy coat shit either.
If I wrong I expect to be corrected. End of story. Now unless you have something that will help eheath, please refrain from posting. PM me if you still have an issue.
Dec 8 2010 4:45PM
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[~_~]
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This. Photo-elitism only exists because people who don't know what they're talking about like to regurgitate information before they've confirmed it themselves. Then other people read and take it for truth, and tell more people. Superstructures of bullshit are built and pretty soon, the standard of amateur quality declines. I don't really care so much, since all it does is create a bigger gap between the talented and the lemmings. Idols of the Theatre, mofos.

Also Evan, why are you buying cheap lenses? A camera is only as good as its glass...
You can get some nice 50mm primes for $120, but any wide lens worth using going to cost more; no way around that...
Dec 8 2010 6:23PM
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eheath
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doing what i can while im broke
Dec 8 2010 6:50PM
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icantskiiFILM
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everyday im starting to hate you more and more. you lurk media and arts are are the meanest person ever for no reason. fucking relax sorry that some of us dont know absolutely everything.
Dec 8 2010 6:54PM
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LjayCinema
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Hopefuly my paycheck comes in time before someone snatchs this.
Dec 8 2010 7:20PM
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WillStart
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eh i don't really care where you want me to post. You're by far my least M&A'er and at least half of your posts on here are not useful at all; you either just flat out hate or tell somebody they're wrong without really helping them.

I wasn't bashing on the camera at first, I was simply giving my opinion. Jordan was just a little butthurt since I insulted the D7000 which he just probably put a lot of money into and wasn't willing to accept that it had shortcomings, just like every other DSLR. We all get like that when we buy new cameras/gear (ex: evan is very pro-35mm adapter right now, understandably so). And I said the 7D also didn't have continuous autofocus, so I would definitely not say I was bashing since I'm pretty much a canon fanboy.

also, It's getting really old saying I wasn't really that wrong. Sure, Nikon has convinced itself it has continuous autofocus. But automatically and repeatedly doing basically the same autofocus process the T2i does (at least in the way it looks) does not count as continuous autofocus. Technically, yeah that's what it is. For practical purposes, no.
Dec 8 2010 7:21PM
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SeanTom
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wouldn't it just be a 20mm due to the size of the rear element? i'm not understanding how you got 13. i get that full frame lenses have a longer focal length when put on a crop body but if it's a crop lens wouldn't it just be normal on a crop body?
Dec 8 2010 7:25PM
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.jr
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Yep.

Heath, its worth it.
Dec 8 2010 7:36PM
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.jr
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If you put this 20mm lens on a full frame body/film camera, it would be as wide as a 13mm lens is on a dx (crop body) camera. To figure this out you need to know the crop factor, Nikon is always 1.5x, and Canon I believe has a 1.3x and a 1.6x, 1.6x being the more common. So if you have a 13mm lens on a crop body you have to times the number by the crop, so 13mm x 1.5 = ~20.5mm.
Now if you put this 20mm lens on a crop body, it would be equivalent to a 30mm lens (20mm x 1.5)  on a full frame/film body.
Dec 8 2010 7:45PM
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[~_~]
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but you put a lot of money into the camera/adapter/rails/shoulder rig/glidecam....? Optics are the single most important part.
Dec 8 2010 10:02PM
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eheath
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Adapter really wasn't that much and kevin basically just gave me his shoulder rig for now, i literally don't have any more money to invest in optics so i cant really do much about it.
Dec 8 2010 10:16PM
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Blandct
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Agreed for the most part.

I would assume if you are posting info regarding lenses that you would know the crop factor/sensor size on your cam.

I don't mind when people post subjective thoughts, but when they post info that is not opinion related what so ever and is in fact wrong I understand why some people on M&A get mad.

It's a lot easier to refrain from posting than it is to give out wrong info...
Dec 8 2010 10:50PM
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WillStart
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but you don't always know it's wrong info... it's not like people are purposefully posting incorrect things to create confusion
Dec 8 2010 10:53PM
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basedjase
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This.
Dec 8 2010 11:06PM
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.jr
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But they also don't know its right information. A simple 30 second gander over to wikipedia of all sources will reveal anything your heart desires.
Dec 8 2010 11:36PM
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WillStart
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truth. but there are nice ways to let somebody know that. one time somebody posted something that could have easily been found on the gopro site and i tried to politely correct them and then told them to make sure they double check what they're saying with what's on the gopro site. no need to get angry about it.
Dec 8 2010 11:41PM
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eheath
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Welp, free bumps i guess, anyone wanna buy this wide angle?
Dec 8 2010 11:42PM
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[~_~]
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Not trying to be mean, but grow a pair. It's only the internet...
It should be common sense not to regurgitate bullshit, and I am dumbfounded by how out of hand it's gotten. People are way too willing to believe in what they read, and by regurgitating arbitrary opinions or downright lies, you're reciprocating this downward spiral, as explained above.
Dec 9 2010 12:02AM
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WillStart
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easy for you to say that because you're one of the filmmakers here who has experience and knows what they're talking about. for somebody who is new to all this, it's important to make them feel like they're welcome and not intimidate them.

fuck it though, if you guys want to make m&a an elitist club of pretentious 'artists,' then go ahead. i'll keep trying to make it a place where we can discuss everything m&a related and give helpful words to newcomers. although just for the record landis, you do actually provide advice, so that last part wasn't directed toward you so much as others in this forum.

people make mistakes, it's not a big deal..
Dec 9 2010 12:25AM
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[~_~]
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Good point. Elitism without at least helping is uncalled for.
Dec 9 2010 12:47AM
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Shredability
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I'm on your side



just btw
Dec 9 2010 12:48AM
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gordie.
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your thread's been absorbed man.

I'm interested, but I'm also interested in about every lens I see.. and have no need for a second wide angle

someone pick this up though
Dec 9 2010 2:06AM
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yes.
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at school bump
Dec 9 2010 11:59AM
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JayBadge
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Good price, Wish I could afford this right now.....someone jump on this deal
Dec 9 2010 12:14PM
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eheath
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possible local sale
Dec 9 2010 11:21PM
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antwone
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nominated
Dec 12 2010 12:39PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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care to state the reason?
Dec 12 2010 4:09PM
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