Petition to rid edits of generic hip hop songs this winter?!

icantskiiFILM · 2010-10-24 20:33:39

this thread could turn to ballz and most likely has already but ive been kinda thinkin...the amount of edits with all the lame and overly repedative hip hop/rap songs is off dha chain. now if we could all put on our thinking caps and produce some pretty solid edits with songs that you wouldnt normally think of, this could really take off. with the increase of dubstep popularity im sure theres gna be tons of edits to dub and other electronic music. ive got some ideas but like idk an edit with lets sayyyy Under Pressure by Bowie and Queen would be real dope! what do you guys think?

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don't even worry about hip hop.

dub step is going to be the big thing this winter. :(

Oct 24 2010 8:37PM

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and the sad part is...most of those are going to be like pro nails and hammer time and only caspa and rusko just because theres clearly no other dubstep than them 2 hahaha

Oct 24 2010 8:39PM

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gawd dammit the majority of dubstep sounds like an amplified version of me taking a shit.

Oct 24 2010 8:48PM

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thank youuuuuu!

Oct 24 2010 8:58PM

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I very much agree with this thread

Oct 24 2010 9:03PM

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ILoveOhio

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Thank you so much.

Fuck dubstep and fuck rap. They don't give videos vibes (some hiphop can, but not this gangster shit).

Oct 24 2010 9:11PM

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Oct 24 2010 9:33PM

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I'd like to respectfully disagree to this thread (sorry Steve, but you've got to expect this).

I like hip hop. I like rap. More importantly, I like good rap. The rap music I put in my edits is the music I listen to when I'm in the car or walking to class or posting on NS; it's the music I like. I don't put it into the edits because it's "gangster" or because I think rap and skiing HAVE to go hand in hand. Sure, it may be gangster, and yeah, it may be a bit played, but I like the songs and I like to think that in my edits, they fit.

I fully support new ideas, new thoughts, and new visions on edits, and I think that seeing a few edits with different types of music in them would be really cool. However, take a step back for a moment and assess whether you don't like seeing rap in the videos because you don't think it fits, or only because you simply don't like rap. There's a difference.

Hopefully I'll be able to join this club and post a few "different" edits this year, but to be honest that's not usually the vibe I go for in mine. I like putting rap in my edits and I think it fits well and I think I'm going to keep doing it.

/my 2 cents.

Oct 24 2010 9:49PM

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I like me some good rap as well, but it gets old when it's in every edit you come across

Oct 24 2010 9:51PM

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so ill

Oct 24 2010 10:05PM

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I like rap too. What I don't like are videos where the skier (the whitest sport ever) is throwing up gang signs at his friends multi-thousand dollar camera. I used to be into these types of edits. Shit I even made a few myself, but it's seriously ignorant. Why not try to make an edit that has "fun" element to it. Let's face it, skiing is FUN not "gangster".

As for dubstep.....come on it's just a bunch of random ass noises. That sure as hell doesn't give me good vibes in an edit, but maybe it's different for other people. To each his own I guess.......

Not towards you so much Milos.

Oct 24 2010 11:41PM

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Okai PHEW I wuz liek ohemgee steven we haz ishuz.

Steve: you know me and that I love teh vibez, but I also think that vibes aren't the only thing that should come out of an edit - a fast paced edit doesn't necessarily give good vibes, but it may 'wow' you or leave you really stoked - doesn't that also sound like an edit you'd like to watch? "Good vibes" in the sense of having a good time with one's friends and fun and happiness and truth and love and all the other things that can also come from an edit may make it good and fun to watch, but don't forget that there are plenty of edits that didn't necessarily have "good vibes" that are fun to watch, too.

To everyone else: Gang signs are pretty wack; I'll agree with you on that one. However, most respectable edits don't show kids throwing gang signs, eh? All I'm saying is don't bash on rap. It has its place, even if it may be "overused." This thread to me is the equivalent of the "don't wear tall tees because everyone else does" threads (no offense OP, because I agree wit you to an extent). I'll give you "stop the thug shit in edits" because, truthfully, it really doesn't fit, but as for stopping rap; IMO the use of rap is based on opinion - liking rap vs not liking rap - whereas acting like thugs is based on, well, misconception and ignorance.

BTW the dubstep/skiing combo will look ridiculous. I really dislike almost all dubstep.

Oct 25 2010 12:02AM

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I guess what i mean is that there are so many edits that lack ANY SORT of a vibe.

It doesn't have to be "fun/good" vibes. I'm talking about those edits with shitty Lil' Wayne or terrible dubstep/techno. Those edits have NO vibe at all. When I say vibe I don't necessarily mean high five slappin' good times.

I'll agree to disagree yet agree in some points as we have many times <3.

Semi Claim but not really: My movie premiered with a pro movie. Guess which movie had better tricks? The pro movie, duh. What that pro movie lacked was a vibe. It was just a bunch of shots/bangers thrown to some music. Guess which video people got stoked on? Yeah......

That wasn't meant to be a claim, I just feel like many movies these days are lacking a key aspect.

I should be studying damnit.

baiiii.

Oct 25 2010 12:14AM

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/claim betch.

...however look at what you just wrote. Would you agree that most of the kids making edits to Lil Wayne songs aren't putting much time into their edits? And, according to what you said, the pro movie was shots "thrown to some music." Its not necessarily the music that gives you this feeling, isn't it the time and effort and effectiveness of the shooting/editing? Eh?

I'm feeling argumentative tonight, its past my bedtime and I have a headache. I'll agree that lots of edits (and movies - I wasn't feeling the Level 1 trailer...) aren't that great these days, but hey, to each his own (when it comes to music).

All I'm arguing is that its not just music that makes the vibes - its the editor who does, based on what shots he includes and how he films them, what song he picks and how he cuts and orders the clips. Its the sum of all the parts that make the edit, not just the song.

Okay, bedtime. /arguetime.

♥ Steve, you know I love you and your vibez. Let's haz vibez on FBchat soon, its been too long.

Oct 25 2010 12:19AM

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Oct 25 2010 12:24AM

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I absolutely loved JP's segment in Revolver, and then the rest went to shit in terms of music choice. Too much dubstep is not good, but a little bit is. VARIETY is key, as with all things.

Oct 25 2010 2:10AM

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i totally agree. the track that was used for his segment isn't something i'd listen to regularly, but i thought it fit well with his skiing. i thought it was very fast, aggressive, and raw, and the song fit. dubstep crap was blatantly abused in that movie, and honestly, i got pretty bored with it at a few points.

shameless plug: yeah, it's hip hop, but i thought it fit the vibe of the day pretty well, and i had a great time skiing and editing this. it's from closing day at my home mountain from last season, hope you guys enjoy...

http://www.vimeo.com/10451707

Oct 25 2010 11:18AM

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We need more rock, metal, Neil Young and Nimbus. In Nomads the song choice was awesome. The part with Crosby Stills Nash and Young was so good. Whatever film (Contrast, right?) Pollard had his part to Hey Baby by Hendrix was sick.

How awesome would a part to Cowgirl In The Sand be?

Oct 25 2010 11:30AM

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i like what you guys are saying but im seeing a few flaws in some of your arguements. one of you said you like rap and even though it may be "good" rap, its still....RAP. thats what we're trying to get away from. its not just about what you like. i like lots of alternative and punk rock as well as tons of indie bands and tons of hardcore shit. i also realize some of those songs will not fit at all, but also some might be perfect.

so yes, in some instances rap can be good..but its just every single edit out there. now event hough some songs may be better, every single edit just kind of flows together.

heres an edit i did and didnt use much rap,well hardly any.. and it turned out awesome! dont mind the first skiing part song, im so mad i put that in but was a huge request for the kids and it ended up lookin pretty good i guess.

Oct 25 2010 1:15PM

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we need more indie rock!

Oct 25 2010 1:27PM

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Let's do it dude. I know for a fact this winter I'll be using some quality music!

Oct 25 2010 2:43PM

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I promise I'm not out to play devil's advocate, because I like the idea and I hope to use some non-rap music as well this year, but let's face it - your argument is based on an OPINION. The use of rap is, I would assume, more or less based on who likes and who doesn't like rap. This is an opinion, and everybody is entitled to their own. Those who use rap because they assume that rap and skiing go hand in hand? Well, they may be a little off track, but they still undoubtedly like rap.

Who are you to tell a filmmaker what music fits best in his edit? If he likes the song and thinks it fits, then fine. Sometimes, obviously, there are egregious miscalculations on the part of the editor. However, on the whole there are TONS of good edits with rap that fit.

I can't help but feel attacked by this thread, maybe that's why I'm arguing so vehemently for the other side. However, I also think that this thread is criticizing and generalizing people and their work, and that just isn't okay. Freedom of expression is something every artist is entitled to. If you're petitioning against the people who throw their ski clips to rap just to fit in and use no creative mind whatsoever, then fine - say so. However, generalizing rap on the whole as "bad"? That doesn't fly so hot.

Oct 25 2010 3:10PM

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Already been doing it for awhile now.......people are just stubborn.

Oct 25 2010 8:54PM

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Nimbus has ALWAYS had the best music. From Idea to all the webisodes, there has been not a single flawed choice in my opinion. Contrast was indeed the film with Hey Baby for EP's part, and I'm going to add that Take a Walk on the Wild Side was also an amazing choice. The part of that episode set to I Almost Cut My Hair was absolutely flawless.

Oct 25 2010 10:03PM

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i like hiphop though :(

gangster edits deserve gangster music

Oct 25 2010 10:04PM

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ILoveOhio

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Go watch some snowboard videos. Trust me, the music is usually amazing (not always though).

Snowboard movies are influenced by skateboard flicks. Skateboard flicks have that indie style of music.

Oct 25 2010 10:24PM

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Theres trillions of different videos without indie man. Its like skiing like theres gangster skiing like henrik then jp bit metro indie then eric pollard just mellow music. you cant stereo type on sport to one genre. My personal thought is that if you can make a edit with the wowness with a song that fits then fuck what people think. It is lame when people use the same song though.

Oct 26 2010 6:30AM

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i'd be okay with people using shit fucking music like they always have because it makes the edits we (the collective people who know about music outside of glitch and lil wayne) stand out even more.

Oct 26 2010 12:10PM

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