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Less than two weeks ago following a televised debate with religious people and affiliates against people for gay rights, thousands of people started leaving the Evangelic-Lutherian church in Finland. At the moment the number is closer to 35,000 and rising, which is unprecedented in Finland.
The whole outrun was mostly because of the comments of the leader of Christian Democrats party, Paivi Rasanen, who spoke of homosexuality as a "psychosexual" birth defect and a disease that goes against the word of God and should not be allowed under the eyes of the church, especially gay marriage.
The funny thing is, Rasanen has no actual authority or relation to the operations of the church, but it's been called as something that broke the camel's back in the discussion of the church in Finland vs. modern values and finally got many people who were already against church policy to have an excuse to leave.
What do you think? Could something like this happen in your countries as well?
Yeah, a lot of bishops and pastors are saying, at least in public, that they will treat everyone the same regardless of age, gender, sexuality etc. But at the same time, under the same church, pastors are actually protesting against gay marriage and female pastors. It's very convoluted at the moment.
The main thing here is that on average, a member of the church pays 200 euros in taxes each year. So that's approximately 7 million euros gone already from the church. While a bulk of the money, about 1/4 goes straight to the wages and administration, rest of it goes to good causes, like youth organisations, restoration of churches, burial costs and Church Foreign Aid.
In Finland, if you are christened, you are a member of the church by law until 18 years old, then you can leave if you want. However, not so many do it because it requires filling out paper work and going to talk about it with your local pastor - which could be awkward or time-cosnuming to some. Couple years back, a website was launched by a third party that let's you simply resign from the church with the click of a button - the organisation does all the paper work for you. This could be one of the reasons this is really blowing up - people chatting about it on the Net, posting "Here's how to resign from the church - SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS!" on Facebook and so on. I'm sure this wouldn't be going on at this scale if it actually required some effort.
It seems like every time I see one of these arguments between Gay rights supporters and Anti-Gay supporters, The anti-gay supporters always say "Being Homosexual is a sin. Its in the Bible" and they hesitate to back up their statement.
Well that's pretty much the center of discussion here: gender-neutral and gay marriage. It's really funny how such a small matter (if we speak economically) is going to divert attention from very severe future problems in Finland and will play a larger than normal role in the upcoming parlamentary elections next year. There is still no possibility for same-sex marriage in Finland, be it in church or in a bureau.
Now it's starting to look that the church is being peer-pressured into giving leeway on the gay marriage proposal from all sides and they don't have many arguments left against it.
honestly i dont think that there is anything wrong with homosexuality or being a lesbian or gay. Im not sure if it is a choice or something that the person are born with but either way they deserve to have freedom and deserve love just like everyone else.
thats not true. just about every religion based on the bible recognizes both the first and second testament. so what she said is relevant to everyone.
anyways hating on gays is fucking retarded and im glad that these people are leaving the church. im sure they can choose to spend that church tax they no longer have to pay on whatever charitys or organizations they want.
Basically, I guess, but at least our Evangelic-Lutherian church (which I resigned from a few years back) is based on the three Christian creeds and the four gospels of the New Testament. Heh, it's fun to have wasted hundreds of ours of my life forced to study religion, yay. The ethics side of religion was interesting, but we didn't really get there until high school.
Unless it is directly affecting me (aka trying to make out with me) I REALLY don't care. Alll the power to them, there are way to many unhappy people in this world already, we don't need to make more of them by hating gays.
People are way to into everyone else's shit and not there own. What happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom its honestly nobody else's business so when people give two shits about fagots they just (to me) make them selves look stupid as fuck. Why care where someone puts there dick or vagina its not yours lol
It's about the equal rights movement and that homosexuals can't get married in Churches in Finland, or get married at all as a matter of fact, just a registered relationship in a magistrate is legal here at the moment. There are vast differences between the rights of a married couple vs. a registered relationship, such as who can be your beneficiary when you die, the rights to adoption and benefits etc.
Um its all about the sex you dumb fuck. If no body gave a fuck about the sex nobody would give a fuck if they got married. And if no one gave a fuck about the sex everyone would be equal. People are scared of strange or different people. What makes homosexuals different? Hmmmm lets see....the sex they have.