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Sale of Sponsership gear

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AndrewNZ
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Just wondering if this is legal like if one is sponsered by K2 and at the end of the season sells his used skis to others.. would that likely to go down with the company..
I know it obviously depends on the company but..
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Ski-board/Helmets/auction-306539374.htm
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Jul 28 2010 11:15PM
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Grover
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it's not. Andy Parry and lots of other fulltiltfags sell their boots as soon as they get the next seasons model.

I'm sure it happens with other products also.
Jul 28 2010 11:17PM
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K_FRANK
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if its spreading the brand name and stokeing kids out then i dont see why companies would have a problem with it but im just takeing a guess
Jul 28 2010 11:18PM
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dave44
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Shouldn't be a problem with something like that, it's just a helmet with stickaaazz on it.

Something like a RB 50Fifty on the other hand...
Jul 28 2010 11:18PM
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AndrewNZ
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You do realise who is selling that dont you..
They also always sell Jossi's Skis, Boots.. Even sold TJ's Boots from 09 X games.. they went for like $300NZ
Jul 28 2010 11:19PM
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dave44
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Yeah. The skis, the boots, etc, shouldn't be a problem. But like I said, if it's something the company wants to keep exclusive, like red bull 50fiftys (or Jiberish stickers, haha) then that would be a problem
Jul 28 2010 11:22PM
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emopoppins
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just sayin if i owned the company and it happened i'd only be okay with it if it was 1. last years gear 2. ridiculously cheap with the intent to hook up a kid and 3. not gonna get flipped for double retail just because it's a certain popular sponsered rider's gear.
Jul 28 2010 11:22PM
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KLovelace
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thats one of the only ways a lot of those kids can even make an extra dime... pro skiing (at least in this genre) is really not all that glamorous.. unless of course you are Jon.
Jul 28 2010 11:30PM
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pjbauer
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you never know, i dont even wanna imagine the shit kids would do/spend for tom wallisch's used gear
Jul 28 2010 11:50PM
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wintersway
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they sell for cheap so unfortunate kids can get an amazing deal

looks like that helmet belongs to a wells kid (jossi or byron? maybe the youngest... cant remember the name.)
Jul 28 2010 11:51PM
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IHOP
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I have no idea how it actually works but...

If I ran a business that sponsored skiers I would only limit the selling of gear if it was like a prototype. For instance, if the rider had a prototype ski that was not as durable as expected, it wouldn't be good for the business if some kid later obtained said skis and ended up breaking them; inevitably claiming later that such and such brand skis have bad durability.

Other than that I bet gear that comes off a normal production line is cool to sell.
Jul 29 2010 1:09AM
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Frankensteeze
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A good deal is a good deal. Its for the seller to worry about.
Jul 29 2010 1:16AM
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Phil.T
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When i was at momentum, at the coaches sale chug pulled out a handful of jiberesh stickers then said he wasn't allowed so sell them
Jul 29 2010 2:24AM
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forum10
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ok look... sponsors give them next year's stuff. when next year comes, they get new stuff so where does all the old stuff go? they fucking sell it to finance their skiing and also it would be useless to keep that old shit around. its the way things work, simple as that. not illegal or anything. if they were selling next year's stuff early and outwardly or if it were against their contract, that'd be a problem. other than that its legit. not a new thing here, its been going on since sponsors have been around.
Jul 29 2010 2:39AM
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AndrewNZ
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yeah i understand that. but surely they would have an agreement to just send it back to the company for the company to use it as demos or something.. i dunno, just seemed a little dodgy but whatever..
Jul 29 2010 2:42AM
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forum10
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believe it or not but those companies can spare a few pairs of skis or shirts. they gave them away which is fine because the companies realize that its a great investment. you know the whole reason they sponsored the riders in the first place. give away 2 jackets in return for 100 orders of said jacket. think of it in terms of paid advertisement. as long as they're not selling brand new shit early and high marked or against their contact (being obvious they're using the company to make profit instead of repping them), its fine. don't worry about it because i think they know what they are doing.
Jul 29 2010 2:47AM
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Dukeybrains
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maafuckas gotta eat
Jul 29 2010 3:00AM
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yellav
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u mad?
Jul 29 2010 3:08AM
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rach
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this..but yeah from what i've heard most companies do nottttt like it. some make you ship your gear back, but I think that's pretty lame. Like the company is really gonna suffer, shit.
Jul 29 2010 3:26AM
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K.C.Deane
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Its fine to sell gear as long as its not next years gear.  So selling mid summer or in the fall usually is fine.
Jul 29 2010 10:53AM
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Melvs
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How do you think these sponsed kids are able to live?  Well, apart from most of them being from rich families...

They sell that shit.  They don't get PAID at all really, so they gotta make money somehow.
Jul 29 2010 11:09AM
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Uncle.Badness
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I'm pretty sure that's what most guys who are sponsored do, pretty sweet if you ask me.
Jul 29 2010 11:18AM
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Malczyk
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the top dudes, like the guys who make a living on skiing, shouldn't and most often don't sell their stuff and if they do it should go to charity (imo). AM dudes who are 'living the dream' trying to get by, the brands who support them can give a blind eye, but still kinda odd and that gear is usually trashed.  If someone leaves a brand for another its customary to send back all the gear you were sent to rep that company.  My 2 cents
Jul 29 2010 11:45AM
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Uncle.Badness
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Very well put.
Jul 29 2010 12:19PM
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Dustin.
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Actually they do it so they can afford to pay the bills.  Not many rich skiers out there at all.
Jul 29 2010 12:32PM
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AndrewNZ
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Okay so I would understand if a low key skier who didnt enter mainstream competitions and would understand if they sold there stuff to get by but Im sure any of the guys who podium at X games or Dew Tours, surely they arnt struggling for money.. And for example, sponsered by a non skiing related company.. E.G

Monster
Nike 6.0
Snus or General chewing tabacco or whatever olenick is sponsered by..

They arnt going to pick up a sponser and just provide them with cans of monster or chewing tabacco, they are going to give alot of cash...
Jul 29 2010 6:21PM
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family_vacation
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It is their property, and they no longer need it. Therefore, they sell it. Is there an isssue?
Jul 29 2010 6:26PM
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james44
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the way it works with alot of sponsered guys in biking and skiing is that the company gives their athletes skis/ bikes at the begining of the year, if the company feels that the rider earned their equipment they get to keep it to do what they want (usualy sell), if not they return it to the company and get next years stuff.

obviously that is not how it works for everyone on every company but thats how it works with the people ive asked
Jul 29 2010 7:56PM
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eheath
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You know that never happens though.
Jul 29 2010 7:59PM
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Balto
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all i know is ive gotten a few things from pros on the cheep so I have no issues with it
Jul 29 2010 8:10PM
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broto
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exactly.

think about tc, they travel across the country in crappy SUV's and sleep in them at night. you think will andy and shane could probably use a few extra dollars? i'd say so. selling their old gear: profit
Jul 29 2010 9:02PM
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Uni-Threads
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All depends what that rider has worked out with the company he's representing. Each company is different and has it's own protocol
Jul 29 2010 10:07PM
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Malcolm
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you mean awesome subarus?
Jul 29 2010 10:15PM
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*Dos*Planker*
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I'm pretty sure all pros sell there shit because they don't make enough money otherwise
Jul 29 2010 10:17PM
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broto
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well, yes. but not have they ever stayed in a decent hotel (according to the episodes) closest they come is perfect north slopes lodge
Jul 29 2010 10:26PM
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