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Cracking salomon z12 ti bindings

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DG.3
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I hear these bindings cant take the impacts from park skiing, because theres so much plastic. anyone have personal experiance with this? and im only 130 pounds, so do you think ill be ok?
Apr 14 2010 1:33AM
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Deletedtoday
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DO NOT GET THESE. ive seen so many break. just pay the extra and get a STH 12 or if you really want quality get a sth16
Apr 14 2010 1:43AM
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CCampbell-A1
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The best quality Salomons are those with the driver toe, i.e. the STH14 Driver and the STH 16.

My recommendation would be the Rossignol FKS/Look Pivot (same binding). They're lighter than the Salomons, all-metal and more durable (the 15 DIN and up FKS/Pivots are all metal, the 14 and below ones have plastic toes).

They have better release characteristics (more consistent, among other things) so that you won't prerelease, and they'll probably end up saving your knees.
Apr 14 2010 6:55PM
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CCampbell-A1
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And if I'm correct, the STH12 is the same binding as the Z12, the only difference being the graphic.
Apr 14 2010 6:56PM
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Deletedtoday
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no the sth doesn't have the same track if i remember correctly
Apr 14 2010 7:14PM
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CCampbell-A1
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Same toe piece though, which is the problem, no?
Apr 14 2010 7:34PM
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Deletedtoday
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naw the sth design is different 100%. i've seen a lot of heel piece metal (aluminum like) just straight up rip
Apr 14 2010 7:37PM
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special_k10101
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I'm guessing you're still growing, but I bought z-12s when I wasn't much heavier than you. They are not durable at all. I have broken the base plate twice and broken many, many other parts. Spend your money on something more durable like look p's or px's. The sth 12 and sth 14 aren't too great I hear, and the marker royal series hasn't been too good in my experience either.
Apr 14 2010 9:19PM
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DG.3
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yeah the thing is, the bindings have already been on my pow ski for a year, no problems. im just wondering if i should switch em over to my park skis, or if they would get crushed.
Apr 15 2010 1:22AM
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B-runge
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broke a pair 3 times

the warrantied and got sth 14's for 40 bucks....
Apr 15 2010 2:33AM
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CCampbell-A1
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Park generally has more heavy impact-type skiing, I wouldn't chance it. Selling would be your best bet, get some Pivots/FKS, or at the very least some PX/Axials. Rossignol/Look/Dynastar seem to have the best bindings in every category, Marker makes some slightly non-shitty bindings, and Salomon's are okay, but for the price:performance ratio, you can't beat Rossi.
Apr 15 2010 7:56AM
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Mike.Steezze
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Dude my Z12 TI's have taken a beating and still are in good condish. Yes they have a lot of plastic but whoever said they are basically the same as the STH 12 was right. (i was gonna quote you but cant see it now that im posting). They will do you well, in my mind the extra money for a sth12 is a waste they are pretty much the same binding.
Apr 15 2010 5:36PM
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leahey
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Get the STHs. So much better. If you want to actually upgrade you might as well just get FKS or Pivots.
Apr 15 2010 5:48PM
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Deletedtoday
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eh solly 916 and sth 16 are some of the best bindigns out there
Apr 15 2010 6:13PM
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CCampbell-A1
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I don't disagree with that in the slightest. The FKS is a better binding though, hands down, and it costs around the same as an STH16 (which is the newest incarnation of the 916, as you probably know).
Apr 15 2010 6:26PM
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Deletedtoday
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yeah for park i agree. but i think the sth has a better mounting pattern to put on fatter skis then fks
Apr 15 2010 8:23PM
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CCampbell-A1
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What's better? My skis are in the shop, I can't check now.
Apr 15 2010 8:39PM
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Deletedtoday
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both fks and STH are great. I just think the Sth's mounting pattern is wider so its better for fatter skis (less rip outs)
Apr 15 2010 8:43PM
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Deletedtoday
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im of course talking about the 16. the 12 and 14 are less quality bindings
Apr 15 2010 8:43PM
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CCampbell-A1
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I should've rephrased that. I meant "Why is the STH pattern better?", but you answered my question. The STH16 is a bomber binding, and I hear they're bringing back the all-metal version next year.
Apr 15 2010 8:49PM
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jon@wh2o
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The STH mount has 5 screws in the heelpiece, as opposed to the Z series which has only 4, and from my experience, blow. STH are a solid step up tho and I have rarely seen problems with them.
Apr 22 2010 11:41PM
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Style+eeze
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alright here to clear it up:

DO NOT! I REPEAT DO NOT! buy salomon bindings unless they are sth 16s (yes they are different and way higher quality than 12s/14s) or pre z-series such as the s916, etc. they have more metal and are bomber as fuck. that is if you plan to ride your skis like anything but a pussy.

maker bindings are mehh. i have jesters, i like them and haven't had problems with them. great. but, my brother (special_k10101) who posted above broke his afd (the slidy piece on the toe) and had to get them warrantied. but since evo (our local shop) is filled with homies they swapped him straight across for a brand new pair of sh 16s. so, marker i'd say maybe.

fks/pivots are solid, realistically you're not going to have trouble with them.

px12s are pretty solid too, those things are heavy and bomber too, you're most likely not going to break them.

shoot, now i feel like i'm missing some key bindings... oh, you can't go wrong with head/tyrolia, those are solid too. good luck, hope that post/rant helped!
Apr 23 2010 2:42AM
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ski_ENDUB
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I have z 12's on my pow skis and have used them for 4 seasons now, no problems except I pop out of them way to easily because I'm 190
Apr 23 2010 8:42PM
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Balto
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list of good bindings(IMHO, these are the only things i will ever consider buying)

916/920(and the models before, but as long as they are full metal they are great)
sth16/sth14 DRIVER(not the shitty Z toe)
marker comp/18/20/30
Dukes
P18/FKS185/P15/FKS155
PX18
Tyrolia18 dins(come in MANY re-brandings)

you pay for quality, dont get caught up in the "oh jesters are the best binding ever" NS faggorty that always happens. some rules of thumb for me at least are:

NO sliding AFD(tyrolias more turns on an axis then slide)
Plastic anything sucks and breaks easy, only worry about weight on AT bindings
Worm Screws ftw
4+ screws on the toe

Now yes, I did only sugest burly metal high din bindings, so your standards may not be up to par with mine. but there are so many kids that ride px12s and beat the shit out of them when they could be on something like fks(not the shitty new 14s) and they wouldnt have an issue.
Apr 23 2010 8:59PM
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Balto
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oh and dont listen to the mount pattern debate with fks, if your tech/you know what to do and how to mount skis properly, you wont have an issue
Apr 23 2010 9:02PM
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Lemuel
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Not everyone weighs enough to justify those bindings though. I weigh around 155. I don't have any problems with my sth 12's, px 12's (ti), or griffons. I'm not really a fan of the griffons though. I would go for mojo/peak 15's b/c I ride my din around 7 or 8.
Apr 24 2010 9:47AM
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Doug.
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Those bindings are terrible. I got some this year and definitley regret it. If you ski park at all get some of the better salomon bindings or go with rossi/look
May 16 2010 10:23PM
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DHogg
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Truth.  It really comes down to whether the ski you mount on is decent. Anything which is wood,bamboo,carbon,metal ect is fine. Foam, not so much.
May 16 2010 11:28PM
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NOSNOWJUSTICE
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I skied Z12 Ti's for two years. Cliffs, sure. Pillows, sure. Moguls, sure. Flat landings, sure.

They're fine if you don't weigh 180lbs + gear IMO.

May 18 2010 2:08AM
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