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ANOTHER UNIVERSITY SHOOTING?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!

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conman2800
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what the hell is the deal with university shooting? 3 dead 7 wounded what the effff http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35372168/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001
Feb 12 2010 6:50PM
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Kevski
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So much fucked up stuff going on right now. Was this today?
Feb 12 2010 6:52PM
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antwone
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 it says 10 min ago on the articul
Feb 12 2010 6:57PM
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feihlination
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a month ago or so i saw a documentation about columbine (it isnt that big of a deal here in europe, at least not in austria, you know that something bad happened there but nothing more) and they reenacted most of the shootings and it creeped the hell out of me. it was very sad to see how far humans can go and how indifferent some of them are regarding their own life and the life of others
Feb 12 2010 6:59PM
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Style+eeze
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damn, RIP and +vibes to the family and friends.  that's horrible
Feb 12 2010 7:04PM
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Chompo.
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Crazy
Feb 12 2010 7:05PM
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TheCelt16
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Difference with this shooting is that it was the faculty members doing the shooting, and not a student. Taking a gun against other bc you didnt get tenure for teaching???? Really unbelievable...
Feb 12 2010 7:21PM
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deleted5
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fuck people
Feb 12 2010 7:25PM
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conman2800
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its just like a fuckin trend. its awful!
Feb 12 2010 7:29PM
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Mac.
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Today has been one messed up day.

It was actually a female, something I don't really expect when I hear of school shootings.

RIP to all deceased, and vibes to all associated.
Feb 12 2010 7:33PM
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charmander
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this is why everyone should carry a firearm...

Feb 12 2010 7:33PM
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conman2800
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AGREED
Feb 12 2010 7:45PM
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skiierman
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well at least she didn't go on a killing spree because she felt like it... like some other fucked up individuals.
Feb 12 2010 7:48PM
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Thenowhereman42
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That is so dumb. If I carried a firearm everywhere I absolutely would have shot somebody by this point in my life.
Feb 12 2010 7:55PM
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Peter.
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holy shit, my friend is going to that same college today for a visit..
Feb 12 2010 8:03PM
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charmander
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i really doubt that.

the point is, if some bitch walks into a classroom, and theres 30 people with firearms in there, as soon as that gun comes out shes dead.
Feb 12 2010 8:34PM
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prontocuts.com
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Oh yeah nothing like the civil war or the crusades
Feb 12 2010 8:36PM
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Kevski
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I was talking in reference to the luger who died today as well as this. So by that I meant it's a fucked up day.


And to the discussion above, you think if you had a gun you'd have the balls to use it and be willing to end someone's life? Generally you have to be fucked up, or really motivated to do that. The average person probably wouldn't be able to kill someone.
Feb 13 2010 1:16AM
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rontonsoop
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if faced with a life or death situation you would be surprised how easy it would be for some people to kill someone even if under normal circumstances, they would be unable to do so. it just comes down to your fight or flight instincts. if faced with that situation flight would be ruled out quickly due to the fact that there is no where to run, so that leaves fight thus giving them the ability to do it
Feb 13 2010 1:27AM
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nipples-the-cat
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thats fucked up.... i hope the lady feels like shit and what she did haunts her for the rest of her life.. and then some
Feb 13 2010 1:30AM
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rontonsoop
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well for what little life she has left haha article said she could face the death penalty. but death row inmates are so backed up these days that she could probably get plenty of time to make an appeal which i hope to god she never wins.
Feb 13 2010 1:34AM
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Kevski
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Ok true that. And I guess as soon as she fired a shot she'd be dead anyways. Hmmmm I guess I wasn't really thinking.
Feb 13 2010 1:37AM
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corona
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Quoting charmander from Feb 12 2010 7:33:58:
this is why everyone should carry a firearm...
wtf? you guys serious?? okay lets all carry firearms so when the next unstable person gets angry then can just pull it out of their pocket and kill a few people.
Feb 13 2010 1:41AM
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CKpolicy
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he said shoot somebody not kill them, there is a difference.
Feb 13 2010 1:44AM
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rontonsoop
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ok that statement would pose a good point other than the fact that there would be an unknown factor in that. the person would have to think about how many other people could possibly be carrying as well as him in that class. im sure that half of the school shootings would have either not happened or greatly reduced the impact if the shooters were not 100% sure that they were walking in on a full class that were completely vulnerable and unarmed.
Feb 13 2010 1:47AM
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corona
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so it would be better for a gun fight to open up than for nobody to have a gun and perhaps someone get punched?
Feb 13 2010 1:51AM
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ECB
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Vibes to those families.......I remember the day the shooting happened at Virginia Tech, I had family there, such a scary day because we didn't get a phone call until maybe an hour after it happened
Feb 13 2010 1:51AM
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rontonsoop
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no a gun fight would be the worst possibly outcome but the idea that many other people besides the shooter were armed would definitely make them think twice before pulling such a stunt. thats like an angry cop trying to shoot down a police station full of other armed cops. im sure he would think twice before just running in and firing away. and im most cases, these shooters are trying to take down as many people as possible and cause as much havoc as possible and knowing that they could be killed right away could somewhat deter them from such an act
Feb 13 2010 1:57AM
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corona
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I really don't think someone who is about to shoot up a crowd of people is thinking twice about anything.

Feb 13 2010 2:03AM
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corona
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but of course, a well armed nation is a polite nation right? plus, I'm no sociologist, but I'm pretty sure if someone is out to kill it's more likely they target someone they know is armed than someone they know is defenceless.
Feb 13 2010 2:06AM
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rontonsoop
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even if it didnt deter them much it would still end the problem much faster if it really came down to it when students would have to shoot back. as of now they are just as you said, a crowd of people. thats the difference, it would keep unnecessary deaths from accumulating if they didnt need to. 
Feb 13 2010 2:07AM
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rontonsoop
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ummmmm..... columbine, VT, etc how many of these people were armed? none. just the shooters shooting down a defenseless group of people
Feb 13 2010 2:11AM
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corona
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oh great, that would solve so many problems. having 50 untrained people firing guns around. that would most likely make more then just the one murderer
Feb 13 2010 2:12AM
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rontonsoop
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nooooo. to get your carry/conceal license you have to go thru training on shooting and gun safety. im not saying that every student should be allowed to carry a gun. im saying those with the license and training to do so
Feb 13 2010 2:15AM
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corona
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how many times has that happened? one? twice? i dont think you could name more than 4. with 6-7 billion people in the world, that really doesnt mean shit. it takes the rarest most messed up person (the few in 6 billion) to plan out a shooting of innocent people. now if everyone with a temper problem had a gun, that number of just a couple in a hundred years would probably be in the dozens probably higher.
Feb 13 2010 2:16AM
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corona
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I think we should all carry around machetes and flamethrowers and drive tanks to work. gimme a break, how can you honestly say 'the more guns the safer'. that's like saying "forest fires are dangerous, but if we have enough forest fires they wont be dangerous anymore"
Feb 13 2010 2:19AM
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rontonsoop
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ok but someones first instinct is not to kill someone if they are pissed off about something even if they had a gun. and most people with the license to carry understand that their firearm is for defense not just a free pass to go around shooting people becuse they are mad. is the idea perfect? hell no. would incidences like you mentioned occur? probably but alot of people would feel better and have the peace of mind to know that if they are in danger, they are able to defend them selves if necessary.
Feb 13 2010 2:23AM
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corona
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I would in no way feel safer knowing that when sitting in a classroom I'm surrounded by a bunch of people with minimal training in guns. I have my gun license, it means you know how to work it, not how to be responsible with it
Feb 13 2010 2:26AM
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rontonsoop
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come on now dont be ignorant. its pretty obvious that you do not know the facts on Carry/conceal. milliions of gun crimes in the us are prevented every year due to this. read up on it. its eye opening stuff
Feb 13 2010 2:27AM
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corona
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okay, great so what would be better: doubling the gun ownership (so the defence statistic would be twice as high), or putting stricter rules in place making it harder to get weapons, say this lowers gun crime to a Canadian level.. doubling the gun ownership would stop about 65000 crimes, while stricter rules etc to make it Canadian levels would stop about 1.9 million crimes.

statistics from cbc/wikipedia

Canadian statistic:
-0.000253 gun crimes/person/year
- "Police forces reported 8,105 victims of violent gun crime over the year, ranging from assault to robbery and homicide"

US statistics:
-0.1 gun crimes/person/year

-Between 1987 and 1990, David McDowall found that guns were used in defense during a crime incident 64,615 times annually.[60]

-During this same time period, 1987 and 1990, there were 46,319 gun homicides,[61] and the National Crime Victimization Survey estimates that 2,628,532 nonfatal crimes involving guns occurred.[60]
Feb 13 2010 2:43AM
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feihlination
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we have a winner, comon guys how can you expect to (idk, its a german phrase) kill fire with fire?

thats not how it works. you have to restrict weapon possession everywhere possible. i for example, am from austria and i might be able to get my hands somehow on 1-3 carbines from a shooting range which is really nothing you can kill 20 people with.

apart from that i have no clue how i could get a weapon within 2 weeks (i am talkin about stealing an automaitc/semiautomatic weapon from someone else or so).

to get a weapon legally, i have to get the license, wait a few days, order the weapon (again nothing automatic or whatever), wait a few days until i finally have something in hand to shoot.

thats really how it works, gun crimes are almost non-existent in my part of the country (it is not densely populated, but still)
Feb 13 2010 5:25AM
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CKpolicy
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we adopted it, fight fire with fire, and you make a good point.
Feb 13 2010 2:20PM
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Nathn
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Everyone carrying a firearm in America wouldn't work.
Feb 13 2010 2:24PM
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charmander
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you took what i said and extrapolated on it.

in my opinion, theres no reason for an adult not to be trained in the use of, and own a firearm.

you dont think anybody wants kindergartners with glocks do you?
Feb 13 2010 5:13PM
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An10a_Eng
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it was a female biology professor who was denied tenure and this was her last semester
Feb 13 2010 5:22PM
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Thenowhereman42
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No seriously I can think of multiple situations where I was in a fight with someone and so wasted out of my mind that I wouldn't have even though about it, just would have blasted on them.

Personally I think people should own guns and know how to use them, and I am generally against gun control, but I 100% do not think we should all be carrying them around and I don't think anyone under 25 should own one, especially a handgun. In fact I don't really think people should be allowed to have hand guns at all I think we should just have rifles and shotguns. Fine for hunting, home invasion, overthrowing the government, religious apocalypse, whatever you people need your guns for, but cannot be carried around without drawing tons of attention to yourself.
Feb 13 2010 7:00PM
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Thenowhereman42
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^except I suppose for people who like, go bear hunting with a compound bow or some ridiculous shit like that where you need a sidearm. In most circumstances all you are going to do with a hand gun is shoot someone, or fire at a target to train yourself to shoot someone.

Feb 13 2010 7:07PM
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Canuker
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I hope your not serious
Feb 13 2010 7:15PM
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