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Obama to hack NASA's Constellation Program

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wiglaf
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It is a sad day for American space exploration. President Obama makes the motion to cancel Nasa's constellation program. The constellation program was Nasa's next step to return humans to the moon and potentially explore beyond earth/moon orbit. Nine Billion dollars have already been invested into this project. I would imagine that many of you are unaware that the space shuttle only has five remaining missions (9/2010 is the last) After that, we will not have a transport vehicle to orbit and will be forced to buy rides from Russia and or others nations. 

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read more here.

http://http://www.space.com/news/obama-nasa-budget-moon-ft-100128.html
Jan 29 2010 11:49PM
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Mr.Panda
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I am really curious though why we need humans to explore space though. There is the Hubble Telescope that we could use for exploration. No idea if that is cheaper to use or anything like that but it is damn expensive to train astronauts to go into space and such. Plus the risk of the shuttle going boom.
Jan 29 2010 11:55PM
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shr@gler
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That really fuckin sucks
Jan 29 2010 11:55PM
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geteducated
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its a shame, but this is how the general public feels about space exploration.  they will only start to care when the satellites get so decrepit that their television signals start to go fuzzy.

Homer Simpson and the moon-landing from Flow Experience on Vimeo.




Jan 30 2010 12:02AM
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Static
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I'll blow my childrens inheritance on a trip to the moon in 50 years or so
Jan 30 2010 12:03AM
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J-Evs
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im a little confused as to why we are just ending it?
Jan 30 2010 12:06AM
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skiierman
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maybe we need the money more elsewhere? just a shot in the dark there.... moon hasn't changed in the past years since our last visit, another decade and it will still be the same.
Jan 30 2010 12:08AM
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winterparksuks
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probably Obama trying to show that he is trying to limit spending on needless things, or needless things in his mind. As a die hard sci fi fan it kind of pisses me off we spend so much money on trivial shit but cannot spend a mere 9 billion on something as significant as exploring space.
Jan 30 2010 12:09AM
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winterparksuks
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if we need money elsewhere there are better places to cut spending then fucking NASA. Maybe our so called representatives shouldnt be living like millionaires, maybe we shouldn't spend hundreds of billions on F-22 jets that we don't even have a need for.
Jan 30 2010 12:14AM
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skiierman
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theres a whole lotta things we could cut spending to and nasa planning another trip to the moon is a step in the right direction. the moon isn't going to change in a decade fellas, relax. theres a lot of reasoning behind decisions like where to cut budget from and most of it is way over someone who isn't involved deeply in the system of politics.
Jan 30 2010 12:20AM
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wiglaf
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The Constellation program wasn't just to return to the moon is was also to replace the space shuttle.(man/cargo transport) We will not have a orbital transport vehicle a year from now. Maybe you are unaware that we have a 75 billion dollar international space station floating in orbit? It is a waste of money if we can not easily excess this.
Jan 30 2010 12:21AM
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Snowcase
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You do realize that most of our current technology can be derived from NASA right...? They're also not JUST going to the moon. Do you know what the ISS is?
Jan 30 2010 12:24AM
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steezesticks
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obviously you have no idea what you're talking about...
Jan 30 2010 12:28AM
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pmw
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seeing as how obama is making a notion towards raising the national debt ceiling by 1.9 trillion dollars, i dont think money is the primary concern
Jan 30 2010 12:30AM
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skiierman
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we aren't the only ones on the INTERNATIONAL space station. plenty of other capable countries on it. like i said, decisions made aren't made lightly and the reasons behind them are way over anyones on here. so go ahead and speculate and bitch, but i guarantee you that you would make the same decisions as obama. but again, every president is a fucking retard, right?
Jan 30 2010 12:41AM
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Bepo
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this is fucking bullshit. Scientific progression and exploration are practically human nature. Are we satisfied sitting around on earth surviving or should we be pushing the boundaries?
Jan 30 2010 12:43AM
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Ben.
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so they complain about his spending.


they complain when he cuts spending.



the man cant win
Jan 30 2010 12:45AM
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pmw
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well thats very broad. how about he cuts spending on unnecessary things, which, in m opinion i might say a trip to space is, but the guy is trying to raise the national debt ceiling up by 1.9 trillion, i mean. come on...
Jan 30 2010 12:47AM
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Snowcase
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I think anyone who doesn't see the need for future technology is retarded. He's taking the easy way out (not that the decision is easy) and there are better places to take money from.
Jan 30 2010 12:48AM
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Ben.
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see my first post...
Jan 30 2010 12:52AM
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Mr.Panda
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No president ever truly can "win"
Jan 30 2010 12:54AM
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pmw
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is the point of this comment that you only had one post? i dont understand, maybe its time you flip shit and yell at me for how little i know about politics and back nothing of what you say up with facts
Jan 30 2010 12:55AM
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skiierman
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true but NASA is one of the easiest, politically.
Jan 30 2010 12:56AM
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Ben.
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you just furthered my point. he spends. people complain. he cuts spending. people complain. the man could erase the deficit, have unemployment at a half percent, and reach world peace, and people would find something to bitch about.

you may think space is the most important, somebody else thinks whatever you think should be cut is important.

it just proves, that people want the same programs they have now, without the cost. thats just not possible.
Jan 30 2010 12:58AM
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Calb3rt
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define surviving
Jan 30 2010 12:59AM
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karmagod
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No dude, the war fund is much more important that stupid old scientific progress. What has science ever done for us that war couldn't accomplish?
Jan 30 2010 1:02AM
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pmw
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wut....

how did i further your point, i didnt make on single remark to obama in that post, all to you. even in my first response to you i did not say i was angry with him doing this, i even said traveling to space is not exactly necessary in my mind right now. are you really this dumb?

i never fucken complained once. and under the presumption that space travel in this time is indeed important, there are other places to cut genius, like my 2 references to the 1.fucken 9 trillion dollar addition to national debt ceiling. something tells me that money may not have been the issue, and ill say it loud and clear so you dont read what i say and derive some completely astray meaning from it. i am not complaining
Jan 30 2010 1:04AM
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skiierman
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actually there's more that has come from military research than from space exploration... so yeah you're an idiot.
Jan 30 2010 1:04AM
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Mr.Panda
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Jan 30 2010 1:06AM
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Ben.
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why are you getting so defensive? ive never attacked you....

i merely meant that you bringing up the debt is exactly what people do. they scream WHY ARE WE IN SUCH DEBT, followed by WHY DID YOU CUT _____ PROGRAM?!?!?!

its clearly not possible to have both at the same time.

that 1.9 trillion is going to stuff, its just some random 1.9 trillion dollars....
Jan 30 2010 1:06AM
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Ben.
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oh and panda, you made me laugh so hard.
Jan 30 2010 1:07AM
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pmw
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im actually reverting back to an old thread where i posted a totally harmless comment and you started cussing out the ass, being a major dick never backing up anything you said.

oh, and you completely misinterpreted everything i said to an outrageous extent. thats why i am being so defensive, and you also made a stupid comment in this one
Jan 30 2010 1:10AM
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Ben.
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jesus. now whos the one acting like an ass....


jeez.
Jan 30 2010 1:11AM
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karmagod
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YAY!! I love when people overgeneralize. Never did I say military research was bad. Just the billions we spend on occupying countries searching for a needle in a haystack.

I hear pressure hoses are best at getting sand out of one's vagina. Give 'er a try.
Jan 30 2010 1:14AM
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pmw
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im acting like an ass in full awareness of it. granted, if it were earlier in the night i wouldnt be acting like AS much of one, but still would be. your lack of respect in the other thread, i think it was a pro scott brown thread, has made me not care
Jan 30 2010 1:14AM
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Ben.
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alrighty then...
Jan 30 2010 1:15AM
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B4NE1
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9 billion dollars could help raise america out of the shit storm that its in instead of going to the moon which is just dust

Jan 30 2010 1:16AM
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karmagod
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And ignorant post of the day goes to....
Jan 30 2010 1:17AM
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Mr.Panda
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Jan 30 2010 1:17AM
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wiglaf
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I think it is clear that you don't have much knowledge on this subject. Plenty of capable countries on it? NASA's shuttle carried probably 75% of the station to orbit and the Russians did the rest. Yes, there are 15 or 16 countries involved but most just bought rides and flight time.  8 or 9 out of 10  people that go to the station are either American or Russian and get there by Russian or American transport.

What it comes down to is that we have made a huge investment along with our international partners in building this is thing.  Yet we wont have a way to get there?(many of our international partners depend on the USA to get there)  We have already spend 9 billion on constellation, this project is in the works and they want to shut it down? Ridiculous.
Jan 30 2010 1:17AM
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pmw
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i think im going to keep quoting you until im at 2000
Jan 30 2010 1:18AM
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Ben.
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haha go for it. im sorry if i flipped out at you in another thread, ill be the first to admit i go over the top sometimes.

thats the problem with the internet, there is very little of a buffer between what you think and what you say. im sorry if i offended you, but hey, we all fuck up. i really wasnt trying to yell or attack you in this thread, just make a point
Jan 30 2010 1:20AM
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skiierman
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but your sarcasm was so damned on point that i had to point out what a jackass you were sounding like.
Jan 30 2010 1:21AM
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pmw
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e-apology accepted, besides, half of ones response is based on how they imagine the person would say it, its just type, so you never do know. what one means as totally harmless, could be taken as something worse. anyways, what number am i at?
Jan 30 2010 1:23AM
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Mr.Panda
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Ben and Spork. You guys are fucking pussies. Here I had a nice cold beer with three others sitting in some ice, popcorn popped, and PrideFC on TV I was so ready to watch an E-Fight. YOU FUCKING PUSSIES FAILED ME!
Jan 30 2010 1:25AM
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Ben.
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1994. 6 to go.


back on the topic of the thread. i have yet to hear people point out what we should, (and can realistically) cut right now. people keep bringing up the debt, but not what we should cut.

and dont say the wars. id like to be out now just as much as the rest of you, but lets be honest, thats just not gonna happen.
Jan 30 2010 1:26AM
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pmw
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fack you ben!
Jan 30 2010 1:26AM
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pmw
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i really have no idea what we should cut instead, im sure there are things, i just dont know, too young
Jan 30 2010 1:27AM
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Mr.Panda
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You can change it based on who we send over there. Recon Marines, Delta, Rangers, the 2 Airborne Divisions, and SEALs are all super high end Special Forces or at least in the case of the Airborne they get paid a lot more on every deployment compared to regular troops. We could start there by not sending the top of the top guys that get paid hazard pay and such in addition to getting paid extra for all the specializations those guys have.
Jan 30 2010 1:28AM
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pmw
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1998
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pmw
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1999
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