An attempted act of "TERRORISM"

Personally i believe that racial profiling should be stepped up a bit at airports. I know the majority of middle eastern's traveling aren't terrorists but as a safety precaution ithink its neccesary. Who here wouldn't be afraid to get on plane with the company of a group of musims. I, personally would be shitting my pants. I don't think i'm being racist when saying this because everyone can agree that every single plane hijacking/bombing, has been conducted by the muslims. I would feel much better to know that the muslims flying on my flight have gone through a slightly more extensive secure check then the rest.

i agree. Doing so will show those jihadist fucks that their plans are backfiring, that rather than gaining ground in the international world, they are only further alienating themselves, and their fellow otherwise peaceful muslims (the very people they claim they are fighting for).

There's racial profiling, and theres being racist. Racial profiling should be illegal in almost all circumstances unless there is a compelling governmental interest.

This country has always weighed compelling interests against the actual text of the Consittution. For example, we have forms of affirmative action (though no quotas and no throwing out exams) which clearly violates the 14th ammendment, we have restrictions on free speech and media (states secrets, 9 exemptions to FOIA, you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, etc), and this should be no different.

The lives of 250 passengers aboard a commercial jet liner, and the potential thousands that could be killed by a collision ought to be a compelling enough interest to outweigh the preservation of racial equality.

We tried for 8 years already, we're not the ones fucking up. These muslim jihadists are pissing more and more people off, and yet the youth in this country somehow sympathizes with them....


we need better education.

keep talkin politics with daddy and dont switch the dial from fox.

even if you believe those numbers and facts to be true, have you ever paused for a second to consider why the world hates america and western lifestyles? you're just as bad as the extremists.

oh hey lets just put them all in some "War Relocation Camps," thats a good idea right?

lick my butthole

you're a cunt.

Maybe there is an ideology that hates? Maybe? Are you really, REALLY, trying to justify why some fuckhead would blow up a plane?

The guy was an amazingly privileged piece of shit.

How come all these attempted terrorist acts always fail? Terrorist suck

My roommate for next semester is from the middle east...I am sure he will have some things to say about all this.

lol you're a typical liberal- base everything off assumptions and retardation.

1. My dad is a Chinese-American immigrant who votes Democrat.
2. I watch CNN and Comedy Central far more than I ever tune into Fox News. If you know anything about anything, you'd realize Fox News is at least indirectly notifying viewers of their political affiliation (even if they claim "fair and balanced") yet CNN and Comedy Central subtly brainwash kids like you, with no fundamental historical or political expertise, in a journalistically irresponsible way.
3. My major is Political Science. My minor is History. You're way out of your league bud.
4. I have been to more countries than you, and have stayed there longer. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you only parrot what you hear elsewhere.
5. I have studied Islam as its own college course.
6.I have studied the history of Arab countries as its own college course.
7. What on earth could you contribute to the conversation?

If you've ever been in NSG you'd know i've spent many years and countless hours considering why the "world hates america and western lifestyles"

You might sleep better at night thinking its our  "arrogance" or "nation building" or whatever other rhetoric might be entrenched in your blank brain.

But no. You're wrong. It's mainly because we have oil deals with the royal family of Saudi Arabia, We support Israel (and man do they hate Jews).

Just as Christianity has Liberal, Conservative, Evangelical, Mainline, and Progressive sects, Islam has Conservative (radical), scholarly, and progressive-liberal sects. (under Sunnah, the most prominent form of Islam these are called Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, and Hanbali)

The conservative radical form is by far the most prominent in Arab countries and is spread through Massadrahs ("islamic" schools read: jihadist schools). There, they teach that true devotees of Islam hate Jews and Money/materialism.

Jews get automatically labeled alongside money/materialism because in the middle ages, when religion ruled, Jews were the only ones allowed, under religious law, to conduct usery, lending, and interest.

Thus it is no surprise that radical Muslims target the USA for striking deals with the Sauds for Oil, and for staging a coup in 1953 in Iran against then Mossadeq and replacing him with the Shah. Well, at the time the Iranians loved it until the deals the US had with the Shah began to impact them. Human rights violations, among other grievances, led to the 1979 Iranian revolution where the Ayotolla grew more powerful. The Ayotolla was very anti-Modernism and held some hostages and shit.

You can't call it arrogance. The only reason we were stagin coups and trying to procure oil was because we had a very real and very powerful enemy known as the Soviet Union. Now I'm just gonna go ahead and assume (just this one time) that you were born after 1990 and have no idea what it mustve been like to live during the Cold War. You probably have never read anything about it in the first place.

Now lets examine Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden hates America purely because we like Jews and we materialized his home country, Saudi Arabia. Being a conservative radical Muslim, he believes that materialistic things challenge the authority of the Qu'ran where all jurisprudence ought to be derived. That's why he hates americans.

Not because we go to other countries and act arrogant. If anything, according to a REUTERS poll, the FRENCH are the least enjoyable tourists in the world, not Americans. People only hate americans because only Americans have the leisure time and wealth to travel and so obviously there are more American tourists to get annoyed by than any other tourists.

So spark notes:
1. Youre dumb. know that.
2. Its not arrogance that angers radical jihadists, its that they fear if they modernize and liberalize, their power and control over their states, which in their opinion is justly derived from the Qu'ran, will be challenged.
3. Government ought to be derived from the consent of the governed, not from hierarchical arrangements of relgious texts, which all Muslims believe. (or should believe according to everything taught under Sunnah)

I can't wait til the day when you realize you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.

i cant wait till the day you realize i'm smarter than YOU.

i'm not claiming to be the smartest person ever. All i'm claiming is i'm smarter than YOU (or whoever i'm quoting). And given your response, my assumption has been empirically and objectively proven.


You know what I hate? When liberals and democrats use the "you're ignorant" assumption as a rebuttal for everytime a hawk is brave enough to lay out the sad, pessimistic truth.

Then when that hawk challenges the "ignorant" assumption, the liberals are left with nothing to say. Know why? Because your "opinions" aren't based on knowledge, rational thinking, or education. It's based off alienation, bandwagonning, and the "oh you don't think that way? you must be naive/ignorant" attitude.

by the way, in the interest of keeping the thread on topic and avoiding personal attacks, by implying that i'm not as smart as I think I am, you're basically saying that what I typed above was either incomplete or totally wrong.

In what way was what I said incomplete or wrong? Care to correct the errors and fill in the gaps? Or are you just going to make snide remarks, wallowing in your own denial and rejection of truth and reality?

Sorry the world isnt such a peaceful progressive place as you thought. Sorry Europe isn't a shining gold start of peaceful progressivism.

(FYI the only reason Europe isnt butt fucking each other is because they know they can't compete with America)




USA (United States of America)
-Fuck yeah.

I can't wait till the day when people who disagree can make an argument rather than a personal attack.....

















See what I did there?

haha clever clever






man im dyin for that day to really unload my arsenal. lol

That's great. Because everyone should start a debate with a brief record of their personal biography claiming their qualifications and telling people "not to debate them" because they are not intellectually on their level.

piss-poor broke as fuck.

fuck yeah.

Oh, I totally saw it as pompous. But I usually at least see you try to have a normal debate rather than resort to the tactics I usually use.


And I take offense to that remark about PoliSci majors being dumb. I too am one but I switched from Neuroscience to PoliSci when I decided I didn't want to be a Veterinarian anymore.

as a country, even in the worst recession since the great depression our GDP is STILL 14.2 trillion. With second place (Japan) at ~4 trillion.


eat shit world.

I switched from Finance to Polisci after the crash, and i realized the finance industry was nothing but a load of bullshit.

I also had an epiphany that I should serve my country. Thus, i switched to polisci to better maintain a very high GPA so my standardized test taking abilities won't go to waste, and one day i might be able to go to a top 10 law school. After, I will serve my country for 4 years in the Navy, and go from there.

Im not your average obama sucking polisci major. My background is more diverse, and its more of a cop out than because I can't study anything else. Besides, im interested in it, why should I not pursue it?



Nevertheless, the last argument, which was considerably dumber than this one (it was about Obama bowing) was still wrought with nothing but you calling my facts "rhetorical" and "inane" when they are very much relevant. I never once said obama bowing was a big deal, all i was doing was pointing out where people were wrong, and though a negligible degree, it was indeed inappropriate.

yeah we should all be afraid. there was almost a terrorist attack! the only reason hundreds of people didnt die was because the terrorist was an idiot and his bomb lit on fire instead of blowing up! i think that is a good reason to be making a big deal

exactly, thank you.

Still.....

Ok so the people on the plane have signed and assume the risk of the plane going down due to terrorists but HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT STOP THE TERRORISTS FROM CRASHING THE PLANE INTO A BUILDING?

Stupidest idea I've ever heard.

Think.

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wow theabortionator is geuinely a dumb kid. i feel bad now.

Funny because out of all the industrialized countries in the world, Great Britain is the only country with more debt as a percentage of GDP than us.

Good luck in the Navy, my dad served with them in the early 60s

jumaster or whatever your name is:

No shit our per capita GDP isn't as high but thats a more inaccurate metric than absolute GDP.

GDP is good at ranking how states themselves are doing, per capita ranks quality of life. I point out the disparity in absolute numbers, because even if Japan tries really hard to up their per capita GDP, they're still NEVER going to even come close to approaching America unless something drastic happens.

A lot more goes into macroeconomics, factors you wouldn't even think about, so to say per capita is better than absolute doesn't make sense.

Countries with very high population density (small country, lots of people) have high per capita GDP's because the people interact with each other more regularly, and you don't even have the concept of a "local economy." You're entire economy is local when your whole country is the size of Massachusetts. You don't develop particularly impoverished areas such as "inner cities" or the deep south due to cultural and geographical boundaries nearly as often (obviously there are several exceptions, former East/West Germany is an example).

I don't think we are the epitome of what everyone should be at all. Certain systems work better for certain people. I think socialism works great for smaller european countries because it is easier to implement when you have a more cohesive culture and your country is smaller.


But what i'm saying is don't just blindly throw out "oh man we're broke" and leave it at that. We're not doing well by our standards, but we've still got an insane gap between us and "2nd".

I'll do something with my top ten JD thanks.

I've watched plenty of Al Jazeera and read translated versions of the Quran. South Central asia yes. Interacted with arabs and persians? lots.

Finance industry is fucked because people make shit up and complicate the trading of securities, until the securities don't actually represent value of anything, they take up value on themselves but yet the trading of securities isn't subject to normal laws of economics. In other words, finance, and industry based upon representing value, has only perverted it.

I never said being a polisci major means you possess intelligence, most don't. I was merely distinguishing myself from the others who label it a "easy ass major" which i dont disagree with.

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you have yet to say why absolute GDP is more accurate then per capita GDP (or what it is more accurate at determining).

As apposed to what most poli sci peeps do...

word, read roots of muslim rage, good thoughts on the whole conflict
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199009/muslim-rage

oh, and while we are on this note, jihad does not mean holy war, or any type of conflict. as close as I can get to in english a jihad is a process towards spiritual fulfillment. Unfortunately many extreme clerics have encouraged and convinced your muslims to make attacking symbols of the western world their jihad.

Pretty sure the guys UNDER him have said "death to the west" or something like that though....

well duh, it is easier to convince people you are anti 'west' when you say you are.

Unless they were doing it to sneak onto a US military base and blow it up! HA! MY LOGIC IS FOOL PROOF!!!!!

meh, PETA and ELF would have a better chance of doing that. We have domestic terrorists too remember.

I get patted down every time i fly now, but that's because i wear "bulk" clothing aka tall tees hoodies and bball shorts. whoops, sorry for being comfortable TSA.

That is why you wear Carhart jeans that are covered in mud, paint, and pen ink. They don't want to touch you so they won't pull you aside for a pat down.

Ttops and jumister. You both need better education. I'm almost amazed but unfortunately not that surprised at how ignorant you are.

My ACU's get me the fast lane. Plus I don't have to take my shoes off.

Lucky bastard. All my buddies wear their dress uniforms for their ride home right at the beginning of leave.

You are seriously one of the most ignorant people on here. You're calling me out? You don't know anything about islam.

As for your dumb statements about post 9/11 america, we have a constitution for a reason dumb ass. It's idiots like you  that have forgotten that. You scared of planes flying into building seal the fucking cockpit door. Don't open it regardless of the situation, problem solved. And that if anything actually went down the way it supposedly did. Yet still problem solved. Your whole ideal basis is so warped. Go ahead let the bullshit propaganda and ignorance stream through you. Whatever you want.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty or security." Ben Franklin

Then how on an international flight do pilots/co pilots eat or take a leak? Piss their pants and go hungry?

I honestly don't care, id rather be comfy and have some rando tsa person pat me down for 5 seconds.

Your an idiot. You really want to examine osama bin laden research the carlyle group.

You really think osama bin laden is somebody we're trying to catch and kill? You were talking about ignorance before, look in the mirror.

flying a plain is not exactly hard shit.

As someone who deals with how things fall on a very regular basis, I am just wondering how else it was supposed to fall?

ANSWER MY QUESTION ABORTIONATOR!!!!!

Do your understand the physics involved in what supposedly happened on september 11th?

Flying a little cessna might not be that hard, but it's not ridiculously easy in any way. Flying a full size aircraft, and making those maneuvers then hitting such a small target dead on, Is pretty fucking difficult. When the supposed pilot couldn't even fly a cessna worth shit, that makes even less plausible. Plus some good pilots were tested in a pretty legit simulator and it pretty well proved the insanity of a complete noob pilot doing that successfully.

Not too mention those building were built to handle multiple yes multiple aircraft strikes just as a precaution.