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Innocent Until Proven Guilty

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Blurst
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Although i am no expert on the system of law in Canada yet and have no knowledge of how things are done in the US or in Europe. With my high school law education i have come to a conclusion with my self that our legal system does not give the accused the right to be innocent until proven guilty.

I think this for one major reason. This reason is that when you are arrested, if the crime is deemed "serious enough" such as murder, treason, extortion, rape and numerous other crimes you are detained in jail (with less serious crimes you can be granted bail and set free if they feel its appropriate). Once you are detained and held against your will i believe that this is when you lose your rights as an innocent person.

Now if everyone is "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't that mean that you should be set free until you have a trial and are proven guilty of the crime? I'm just wondering if there is anyone else who has any thoughts on this subject? Also if someone could tell me if the American and European system is similar that would be awesome.
Nov 23 2009 3:27PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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oh i don't know what prisonner rights are in your country but in mine, even if you are detained under arrest, you are innocent until proven guilty at trial. You are given a trial date which will be as soon as reasonably possible. Until then you are detained but not guilty.

Innocent until proven guilty applies more to the fact that juries must understand the burden of proof is with the plaintiff or in the case of penal charges, the state, and not with you, the defendant.
Nov 23 2009 3:34PM
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Blurst
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I would imagine that the prisoner rights are pretty similar. The only part I really find a problem with is that you can be detained but still considered innocent.
Nov 23 2009 3:40PM
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skiierman
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of course they detain you. what you really want to live in a world where you truly are innocent until proven guilty? you want someone who was caught raping a girl still living normally giving them the chance to do whatever the fuck they wanted until trial?

stop being such a fucking retard and stop trying to read too much into what innocent until proven guilty means. you're not smart, you're not some kind of open philosophized mind... you're just a fucking idiot.
Nov 23 2009 3:43PM
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timmi
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i think its totally reasonable that they are detained untill their trial. i mean if someone actually did the serious crime, they are obviously going to flee.

you are still innocent untill proven guilty, just not free untill proven guilty.
Nov 23 2009 3:44PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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bail is decided by the judge here. If you are a flight risk, they generally set the bail so high you can't pay it.

Bust besides for enemy combatants, and obvious flight risks, im pretty sure everyone gets bail. whether or not you can or do pay it is up to you.
Nov 23 2009 3:46PM
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skiminnesota
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imagine if you had just committed a heinous crime. would you wait around for your trial? (assuming they just left out in the population until then)

ide be jumping to boarder going south.
Nov 23 2009 3:47PM
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timmi
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christ dude. like thats cool we get that you are all e-popular and shit, but you just ripped him appart for no reason?
having a bad day captian?

dont hurt yourself when you fall off that high horse.
Nov 23 2009 3:51PM
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Crack.
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What a fucking joke.

Skiierman and his 7-year legacy of being a douchebag on the internet. Bet your really proud of that, huh?
Nov 23 2009 3:58PM
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Blurst
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and skiierman strikes again.
I was not trying to say that it should be changed because as i see it, it is working fine. We just had a class discussion on this today and i wanted to see other peoples thoughts. Thanks for the input.
Nov 23 2009 3:59PM
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