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Molding fulltilt

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Scrambles
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i got hot doggers from my local shop,  but they just started carying them the week i got there and dont have the oventhing that you mold them with, is there a way i could mold them at home of should i just wear them in until its molds on their own? help=+k

Nov 9 2009 9:52PM
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Scrambles
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Nov 10 2009 12:41AM
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Scrambles
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Nov 10 2009 1:33AM
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cobra_commander
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Well, if you can get your own toe caps, know how much extra padding to put on, allready have your footbeds, can completely open the shell while getting your foot (in the liner) into the boot, and know how to settle the liner in the shell, the correct amount of time and temp to bake them for, as well as the proper stance to let them cool in.

then yes go right ahead....
Nov 10 2009 1:57AM
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MNS
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- unless your getting pressure points in your boots dont heat mold them. 

letting your boots break in naturally over a longer period of time will give the insole a better/natural fit to your foot.

heat molding is a good way to speed up the age and deterioration of your boot.


so in the end, if i were you i would just wear your boots, let them break in over several trips to the ski hill and THEN, if you have pressure points or your boots are uncomfortable, try heat molding them to break them in faster and get rid of any uncomfortable areas

Nov 10 2009 3:19AM
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cobra_commander
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Full tilts come with an intuition liner, which is a closed cell foam, as apposed to the open cell foam that most stock liners are made off. The result is that it really won't change over time without heating the cells. Intuition liners come with a very basic fit, without any anatomical shape in them. They are designed to be molded. Its not just tossing the liners on heat stacks, but actually baking them, and then properly setting the foot in the liner in the shell. The whole purpose of the liners is to provide a very true personal fit.
Nov 10 2009 3:47AM
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GORlLLA
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Yea he's right... I think your best bet is to find another ski shop buddy
Nov 10 2009 3:54AM
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Silence
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Unmoulded intuitions would be the worst fit ever.
Nov 10 2009 4:48AM
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vintageone
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He speaks the truth, Intuitions come with a sort of mould but you need to mould them to get the full benefit of them
Nov 10 2009 6:54AM
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edd1e
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taken from TGR

rice molding and molding them urself...

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170547

Nov 10 2009 7:15AM
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thegreyarea
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^ Good thread. Most people are not a fan of the rice molding method.

Try this thread as well. It's the home baking method on TGR.
http://www.tetongravity.com/FORUMS/showthread.php?t=102575&highlight=intuition
Nov 10 2009 10:38AM
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Klick_2_klaim
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Did Destro tell you this?

doods right, gotta get em fitted, and be patient, intuition liners take forever to break in, but it is worth it. I would get them heat fitted at least twice in the first month. I have usually gotten them heated up 2 or 3 times and then its just amazing.
Nov 10 2009 11:35AM
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cobra_commander
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Another good point,

intuition liners can take up to three molding processes to get perfect.
Nov 10 2009 1:12PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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"They" say the intuition liner can withstand up to 10-12 heats before the liner begins to break down to a point of uselessness.
Nov 10 2009 1:39PM
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cobra_commander
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ya, mold them all you want. I have just found that for most people it really does take 2 or 3 sessions to get it dialed. (skiing for a week or two between sessions)
Nov 10 2009 1:47PM
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Scrambles
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k, im prob going to try the oven method, i dont have any toe caps, on a scale of 1-10 how important are they?
Nov 10 2009 8:45PM
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MacMahoooon
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If you want to have toes after a day of skiing you NEED toes caps. The liners expand and can put a ton of pressure on your feet as you mold them, so you need something to form a small cavity around your toes. you can make toes caps with a few pairs of thick socks, or I used the noes cut off some neoprene kayak booties. Word of warning, if you have ANY doubt in your ability to do this properly, then don't do it yourself. I have done several pairs in a home oven and its not the easiest thing to do. If you don't get it right you can end up with a shitty fit, or worse a totally fucked liner. But if you do it right then you will have amazing fitting boots. Good luck!
Nov 10 2009 9:40PM
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rocktheLPs
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yeah. i used some toes from socks. i would definitley use a couple extra to make a exagerated toe box.

but to the OP it sounds like youre a little young and shouldnt be using the oven for brownie, let alone baking liners.

but if you do, 200 degrees, pop the liners in when its pre heated, close the door and shut the oven off. take em out after 10 minutes.

while you do that, put you foot bed and "toe box" in a mid weight sock.

stick the liner in the shell and pull up on the back, and make sure the liner is fully overlapped.

buckle to medium, slam your heels on the ground, and put your toes up. keep your knee bent, and let cool for 15 minutes. have a beer, this can be painful.

then take em off, let em cool a bit longer, and put them on using a normal ski sock (no extras in it)

if theyre tight, theyll loosen up after a couple days of shredding.

ive done it three times with my boots, and fucked it up everytime. its pretty hard. ive heard that stretching the shell open helps a bunch.
Nov 10 2009 9:49PM
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Scrambles
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i ended up wearing 3 pairs of ski socks, leaving a pretty big toe space,
Nov 10 2009 9:56PM
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MacMahoooon
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Best way to avoid creasing the liner and getting it bunched up around your foot is to put your foot in the liner first, then as someone opens the shell as wide as possible (this is a 2 person job) slide your foot and liner into the shell. then close and buckle the boot to mid tightness and endure the pain as it cools. some people also suggest putting the liner in a plastic bag before putting it into the shell to help it slide in easier, but I haven't found this needed
Nov 10 2009 9:59PM
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no_steeze
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rice molding is sick, but i'd strongly recommend doing it at a shop, you need to do it right
Nov 10 2009 10:14PM
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cobra_commander
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to give a little critique to the process.

Practice getting your feet in the liner and into the boot and the liner settled and boot buckled before you throw the liners in the oven.

practice this alot, then when you have it down pat, time youreself. Then when you actually put the liners in the oven, space the time you put them in by whatever this amount of time was. That way you won't overcook the second liner.


Have a second person there to open up the shell for when you slide your foot (in liner) into the boot.

When you slide your foot into the boot slide your toes to the front and shove your heel back. Buckle the boot tight, tighter then you think, then tighter, especially over the instep. Then stomp down hard and flex the boot forward driving your heel back.

When standing in the boots as the cool, stand on an incline with your toes higher then your heels, you can use a piece of wood for this. Stay flexed forward.
Nov 10 2009 10:34PM
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LC.
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Our FT rep told us to just use heat stacks, even though we have the 32 ovens and most people say to use the oven.
Nov 11 2009 8:22AM
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thegreyarea
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Because Intuition won't warranty liners done in an oven anymore.
Nov 11 2009 2:20PM
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MNS
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whoops, wasn't aware of the sole full tilt has, my mistake.

but for some other boots... i did get that advice from a ski boot technician so it cant be completely wrong.
Nov 11 2009 3:54PM
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