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First Drop Outerwear

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JoshBishop
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CHECK THIS http://firstdropouterwear.com/fd/FIRST_DROP_OUTERWEAR.html
Oct 22 2009 6:47PM
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ashamedkrew
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looks absolutely ill, and lesh is a minnesota man if i'm not mistaken? MN! also not sure if this was mentioned but are the hoodies and all the non-outerwear items on pre-order right now too?
Oct 23 2009 1:22PM
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Jacobsen
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Too bad i've already ordered a new jacket from Saga, but I'm stoked to see more brands with cool designs and a taller fit.
Oct 23 2009 1:28PM
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DrStrangelove
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im seriously considering getting those pants, but i know the longer i wait the more likely theyll sell out cause it's a new company

anyone got a pic of their stuff? i know it's a long shot but maybe someone works for them or managed to get it early for some reason? i really like the blue accent on the black pants i just want to know if i should order XL or not
Oct 23 2009 1:31PM
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Luc.
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dope looking jacket. but 8k isnt enough for me...
Oct 23 2009 1:38PM
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DirtyMick
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"the days of only shorter athletes pushing the boundaries of the sport are over, and a greater number of tall people are looking for clothing that fits."

THANK YOU SIR.

Being 6'4" sucks for skiing, always a problem finding pants that fit.

I'm digging the hoodies, but wish there were more then just two color options. Probably pick one up anyway because I have a hoodie obsession.
Oct 23 2009 3:12PM
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Jimmy.
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def getting that blue/yellow tee.
Oct 23 2009 3:39PM
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ACrombie
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i just bought both hoodies, looking forward to getting them
Oct 23 2009 4:23PM
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VT_scratch
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ballin

although I dont think id ever drop that much on outerwear. I got new stuff this year for a total of $160 and im extremely happy with my setup!

im just a bargain finder though
Oct 23 2009 4:37PM
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KJL.
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would hoodies and bandanas ship right away or would i have to wait?
Oct 23 2009 4:41PM
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Goku
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bought the purple yellow hoodie in XXL
Oct 23 2009 4:41PM
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Squid.
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Are you kidding? The stuff is HUUGE. My XL Special Blend jacket is 32" in length, XL First Drop is 37".

Anyways, this company looks legit, hopefully it won't have a fiasco like Saga did. Definitely buying a hoodie once the sizing chart is posted.
Oct 23 2009 5:36PM
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Candy
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Woah this is unbelievable sick stuff. I'm having a hard time grasping the concept that waterproof ratings don't matter anymore with this, how is it a scam on the industry? I had 686 10/10 stuff last year, and I got pretty wet in storms, so I'm a little worried about downgrading my waterproof ratings. I skied PC and Snowbird last year if that matters. I'm in the market for a new suit, and I'm lookin this or saga. For the same price, its really just a toss up on waterproofing, I don't wanna be soaking wet in a storm.
Oct 23 2009 5:38PM
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MNS
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yeah no shit, my friend got 20,000mm burton outerwear last year and his jacket was always soakking on snowy days, more that my 8,000 mm pants. you should have seen it, it was like the shit attracted water
Oct 23 2009 6:43PM
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Black.Bird
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This is so sick, im seriously considering getting a suit now.
Oct 23 2009 7:34PM
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SHIFTYshifty
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soo sick + karma
Oct 23 2009 7:36PM
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Virtika
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I'll try to answer a few more questions.

Everything is guaranteed to ship by the end of December, but it is very likely things will ship 1-3 weeks sooner.

Regardless of what you buy, it should ship around the same time.

The middle pocket is sewn onto one side, the other side is held in place with 2 large magnets. No, the pocket never comes loose when you don't want it to. The force of skiing actually pushes the pocket against the jacket, not away.

No, you cannot remove it. Yes, the pocket is designed where it is so you can still rock a partial open coat if you want. You can also rock a full open coat, and the pocket just hangs over the middle flap by an inch or so, actually looks kind of cool.

Sizing for all sizes of the hoodies should be up tomorrow. Sizing for the XXL is as follows:

36 inches tall (waist to shoulders)
26 inches wide (at waist and at armpits
76 incehs wdie (sleeve cuff to sleeve cuff)

I look forward to any other questions you guys may have!

-David




Oct 23 2009 7:52PM
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Balto
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why choose 8k/8k and not say 15k/15k, i know the cost would be higher, but if saga is able to do 20k/20k for around the same prcie why not first drop? i love the look of the suit, but living in washington, 8k/8k just doesnt cut it
Oct 23 2009 8:31PM
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S.beauchesne
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Just ordered hood purp/yellow 2xl, a beanie, a bandana and a balaclava!
Oct 23 2009 9:14PM
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traylortrash
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super sick company... I think I'll get the purple and yellow hoodie, are the quantities limited? like will the hoodies sell out really fast?
Oct 23 2009 9:14PM
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Goku
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i bought one today
Oct 23 2009 9:33PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Fresh as fuck designs, at a reasonable price for that type of gear (new underground type company).  The waterproofing is just not gonna cut it for WA though, fine for CO or other colder places though.  And damn, I just think it looks so dope.
Oct 23 2009 9:41PM
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Virtika
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Its really too bad that there is such a large misconception about millimeters of water-proofing and breathability.

That rating system is a total scam, and people really end up playing into a huge marketing scheme of companies all trying to outdo each other with tech talk.

Do you even know how they get those numbers? Well, they take a swatch of fabric, turn it upside down (outside face down) and clamp it to a bowl. The bottom of the bowl has a tube, which runs up to a bucket that is filled with water.

That bucket is then raised into the air, and the height (in millimeters) that the bucket gets to when water is forced through the fabric is the mm of waterproofing.

So, even from the beginning of the test, the fabric is not only completely saturated with water, but then the increasing pressure of the raising bucket adds many times the force of gravity to the already completely saturated fabric. Any fabric that can even withstand the beginning of this test (zero to a few hundred mm) is a great fabric.

In the real world, there is no force that puts this much water pressure on a fabric, this only happens in the lab. Because of this, any fabric over a few hundred mm of waterproofing is going WAY above what is necessary for forces of water found in the real world. Plus, the higher the mm of waterproofing, the less breathable the fabric usually can be.

Generally, the fabrics that are above a few thousand mm waterproof tend to be woven more tightly, and therefor are generally thinner, more technical fabrics. You end up losing a lot of thickness and durability because of this. When your 20k mm jacket gets a hole in it, it's not very water proof anymore!

Other things that play a big role are fabric material, construction, various coatings, seam seals and tape, lining, etc.

Because of all of these factors, First Drop has specifically chosen the fabric with waterproofing, breathability, and durability in mind. We feel it is the best fabric for our purposes, and we have personally tested the suits in full winter blizzards and rainstorms this year. They preformed flawlessly.


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Oct 24 2009 2:37AM
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schmuck
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So stoked on Lesh and his new company. I'm going to be rocking it hard this winter.


Oct 24 2009 2:56AM
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Virtika
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Thanks Schmuck! Already got your order noted. One size large, all black suit coming your way asap!


Oct 24 2009 3:15AM
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Kevski
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SOOOOOOOO sick holy holies. Shit dude I'm liking everything I see. I gotta post so can find this when I'm sober...
Oct 24 2009 4:00AM
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MNS
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haha you ended up coming on ns tonight hahaha
Oct 24 2009 4:30AM
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Kevski
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Hahaha yeah dude burnt out quick so what better to do to relieve head spins then crash on NS? Yep it's perfecto mundo.
Oct 24 2009 4:34AM
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pjbauer
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soo fuckin sick! Lesh is killin it
Oct 24 2009 12:49PM
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Mathieu.fr
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100% sicknest.. I might get few things..
Oct 24 2009 1:28PM
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Afeld
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AHHHHH!!!!  I want it so bad!!!
Oct 24 2009 2:42PM
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Kevski
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I'll probably buy a tee and or hoodie this season and see how people feel about the outerwear's waterproofness. Yes I am a sceptic, just because everything I'd heard until now has led me to believe that the higher the number the better it performs. And I've experienced this with my outerwear over the years too. But we will see. If it turns out that it's just as waterproof and able to withstand wet PNW conditions I will almost certainly invest in some of those really really nice bib pants next season.

Stoked on what you're doing for sure!
Oct 24 2009 5:02PM
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Thenowhereman42
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Agreed.  Just the one right in the middle.  Seems really out of place.  And the back pocket on the jacket is cool I guess but I would never use it, and I wouldn't want to fall on my back with something bulky right there.

Looks sick though especially the pants.
Oct 24 2009 5:33PM
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Virtika
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I haven't gotten back the exact measurements for the whole hoodie size run yet. I can tell you the XXL measurements-


36inches tall (waist cuff to shoulders)

26inches wide (at waist and at chest below sleeves)

76 inches wide-(sleeve cuff to sleeve cuff)


The fit gets less "tall" towards the smaller sizes.


Oct 24 2009 6:42PM
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Candy
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Very seriously considering ordering up a suit right now. I'm 5'10, and I've been looking at the size chart and making measurements, and XL seems like a good size. What the optimal size person for XL? Also, on the website it says there's a medium liner, this is for sure a sewn in liner ya? Because I don't wanna mess 2 separate pieces.

And back to the waterproofing (really appreciated that post explaining) how exactly can you rate fabric for how well it does, if the traditional mm system is a scam? Like I know you've picked the best fabric for what your doing, but what makes it the best?

Thanks, and lookin to order today!
Oct 24 2009 6:53PM
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CatBoy
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I sent him an email concerning the hoodies, and Lesh literally got back to me in about 5 min. I was amazed. Def a legit company that knows what customer service is all about
Oct 24 2009 7:14PM
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Candy
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Questions answered by Lesh on the phone. Very Legit. Ordering up a suit now.
Oct 24 2009 7:30PM
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Afeld
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same. Unlike a month it took from some other company that will remain nameless.....
Oct 24 2009 8:57PM
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psychkub
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Just placed my order for a purple hoodie!!!!
Oct 24 2009 10:28PM
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Afeld
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could you post the answer 'bout xl. I have the same question.
Oct 24 2009 10:51PM
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Bittner
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picking up a suit in the next few days sooo stoked
Oct 24 2009 11:26PM
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Testicles
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You mean your ordering a suit in a few days and picking it up in mid December...

Anyways such a legit company so stoked to gather up some money and order blue top black pants.
Pocket looks sick imo the only bad thing is the late ship but whatever
Oct 25 2009 2:11AM
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steezyjibber
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ill stuff
Oct 25 2009 3:05AM
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arne_
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How will all the magnets effect phones, beacons, credit card ??
Oct 25 2009 9:54AM
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mr_grom
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Definitely my next new outfit. I really like the black jacket with blue pants or black on black is sick too.
Oct 25 2009 10:52AM
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TheClap.
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they wont at all
Oct 25 2009 11:06AM
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smuggs
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cool stuff

but it seems kind of rude to openly say that you are the only one doing what you are doing.......

it also seems kind of rude to try to bash a waterproofing rating system known and trusted by lots of people (badasses). and saying your product is equivalent to a gore tex pro shell. or even entry level goretex.

it also seems kind of rude to say a higher waterproof rated fabric is less breathable. because we all know goretex is waterproof and as breathable as tech fabric gets. i also have a burton idiom 3 layer that is the lightest most packable coat ive ever hat, its waterproof, and i never take it off on long tours.

you are tapping into markets nobody else touches because your company has (m,l,xl) has your head been under a rock(wait no it hasnt because you have openly called out people having problems with preorders) ? seems like the same sizing chart for a few companies, just like yours, that are around and were around years before you.

I think a start up company who has not offered a product to anyone but themselves would be straight forward with their audience. At least even saying we dont have the best h20 proof, we dont have the best breathability, things happen at the border, and we are not the first company doing what we are doing, we want to do it this way which just shockingly seems like doing it others ways but thats just a view in from someone on the outside.

where is first drop funded from? bank loans? or is this another company financially backing this venture?

also whats the deal with first drop, sounds like its about to rain. hopefully my inquiries are taken seriously.
Oct 25 2009 12:02PM
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BikeMlatt69
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indeed
Oct 25 2009 12:04PM
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TimmyK
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stuff looks sick, if durability is good, it definitely will be a good contender.
Oct 25 2009 12:06PM
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smuggs
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and hopefully there are zippered pockets because i would never put my wallet or car keys in a pocket that magnets closed.

and what should i put in that back pouch pocket? something hard so when i bail trying to switch 270 disaster on it breaks my spine? i guess i could put a few documents in there but then why not just incorporate a fanny pack into the coat?
Oct 25 2009 12:11PM
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thegoat
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maybe 8,000 performs like 20,000 in CO where it is supper dry, but if you ski in the NW you know the difference, and really won't even consider anything under 20,000mm, most of us go for 30,000+ stuff because it is wet here, and we ski in all conditions.
Oct 25 2009 12:20PM
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