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What should i do - employer issue

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720skiguy
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so for a summer job i was working for an inflatable company. been there about 3 months doing senior all night parties. the other night a couple of us decided to have a few beers before the event started, stupid i know. anyways everything went well and our client said we did a very good job. somehow word gets around of this and the owner of the company finds out. this guy is a total scumbag. tries to dock money for stupid shit, hides a lot of his income from the IRS, saves pictures of girls from the photobooths we rent out. now he starts his investigation and it starts out with all of us denying it. finally one kid cracks so at that point i was like whatever, i admitted i had two beers and it was stupid. says he's going to fire me, not pay me for the event (14 hours) and "fine" me $50 dollars. as far as i know all of that is illegal. i looked up michigan law and it looks like i can file a wage claim for unpaid wages, it's illegal to not pay worked hours even if terminated. i really don't want to get screwed out of this money. only thing i'm worried about, if he happened to record me on the phone saying i had 2 beers, does that give him any leverage? is it worth going through this shit or should i just let it go?
Jun 10 2009 11:39PM
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kepler.
Posts: 8761 - Karma: 139
He didn't record you, he's not that smart.

Get your money dude. You worked for it. Don't give in to an asshole on a power trip. He'll back down if you fight it.
Jun 10 2009 11:41PM
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InkShrink
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Wow, I've never heard of an employer pulling a stunt like that. That sucks.

At least you didn't get written up for working 14 days strait like my employer did today.

Jun 10 2009 11:43PM
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Slinger1x1
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before you do anything, check your local laws. It is mostly likely illegal to drink on the job or before showing up. in that case, he probably doesn't have to pay you shit. plus, if you get into legal action with him, he will most likely fire you and you will not make any more money from him anyway.
Jun 10 2009 11:45PM
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comeatmebro
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fuck that. get your money for the hours you worked.

apparently i was supposed to work today. some girl told my boss i would cover her shift so she could call off when i never even spoke to her. fucking cunt. can't wait to talk to my boss tomorrow, definitely should be good when she really finds out why i didn't show up.
Jun 10 2009 11:49PM
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720skiguy
Posts: 4553 - Karma: 21
he already fired me, it's a shitty summer job. i'm pretty sure he has to pay me the money. and the only way he has proof is word of mouth, i was never caught while i was actually intoxicated. i'm only worried about him recording his phone call with me where i admitted i had two beers.
Jun 10 2009 11:50PM
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Bulky
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that money is yours. it does not matter at all if you drank before working or that you got fired. if you work the hours your employer is legally obligated to pay you.
Jun 11 2009 12:02AM
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yellav
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kill him
Jun 11 2009 12:40AM
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ski_ENDUB
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Tell him to go suck a dick and that he'll see you in court.
Jun 11 2009 2:57AM
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PopsicleStand
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um...im surprised no one has said it yet...you cant be recorded without your knowledge...
Jun 11 2009 3:10AM
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pho[tog]rapher
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depends on the state. some states have to have 2-party consent, and some only one.

I think this guy's fucking with you, and fucking you over. If you're feeling ballsy, come back at him with the lines about the teen girls in the photobooth... that is right up there in the k-pr0n area and that guy could be RUINED. You could really take him out with that, but it'd be in your best interest to have another person or two on your side, just so his party doesn't accuse you of making things up out of frustration due to the termination of your employment.

The photobooth thing is what bugged me the most about the whole thing. That guy sounds whack, regardless. I wouldn't want him throwing my kids birthday parties and shit... I'd show him what's up. Business, donezo.
Jun 11 2009 3:16AM
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Casey
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You should really file a labor and industries claim. They will fight for you, aren't going to care if you were drunk or not, and get you paid.
Jun 11 2009 3:20AM
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BC.
Posts: 1551 - Karma: 86
dosent matter if your employee was drunk, high, or running around naked if you were on the clock by law he is required to pay you. take his ass to court and sue him for all hes fucking worth.
Jun 11 2009 4:00AM
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Static
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Yea man sue him for 14 hours of minimum wage!
Jun 11 2009 5:24AM
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I_Am_Mod
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if he isnt ok with IRS you can blackmail him with that, firing an employee becuz he had some beers doesnt weigh up to tax fraude....
He'll probably make the smart decision of keeping you and possible giving you a raise.....
Jun 11 2009 6:14AM
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720skiguy
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4 of us got fired so i have plenty of backup. and michigan has a 2 party consent law so i think i'm good, gonna just deny it from here on out again. i'm gonnna go in and show him the wage claim laws today, if he continues to give me bullshit then were gonna pull the osha/irs/photobooth crap on him.
Jun 11 2009 9:13AM
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Jib-Life
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you should report him to the IRS honestly.

Douche bags don't deserve to be able to operate businesses, especially if he is a shady mother fucker who is keeping pics of girls? That's just fucking grimmy man.

I'd def dick him over 100% and sleep mad well that night too.
Jun 11 2009 9:39AM
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FUUUCK
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exactly
Jun 11 2009 9:49AM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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He HAS to pay you. There are no other options. The fact that you had two beers before hand has abosolutely nothing to do with it. He can legitimately terminate you, but he is required by law (including Michigan's) to pay you for services rendered.

As to the 'fine' - tell him that he can go fuck himself. He isn't the god damned cops. He has ZERO authority to fine you. Who the fuck does this ass hat think he is? Jesus the All Mighty fucking Christ?

Regarding the IRS action - keep that one in your pocket. You really don't have any evidence that he is shady. (at least I don't think you do) Tax law is a very murkey area and there is a good chance that he's got a decent accountant to keep things semi-legit. Threatening him with this may only make him more standoffish. You're probably better off threatening him with the department of labor. They'll be much quicker to act than the IRS anyway.
Jun 11 2009 10:10AM
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neutralzombie
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99% of the time when an employee files a case against an employer like this, you will win the case, and get the money, should it come to that. (unless youre fighting a dirty corporation, which you are not.)

Jun 11 2009 10:15AM
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neutralzombie
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+ also, if youhad two beers, im going to assume you werent under any influence, therefore, whos to say what you do in your free time. im not sure if theres even laws about showing up to work drunk, which im thinking you didnt, so i wouldnt worry about it.
Jun 11 2009 10:17AM
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720skiguy
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we went in there to talk to him today and he just blew up. we were calm, told him we understand he fired us, and told him we expect the pay according to the law. "well i'm refunding the client some money and it's coming out of your checks." and he just kept going on about that so i said fuck it and we left. he also kept saying we were drunk even tho there was no proof. and the client told us at the end of the night she was happy and we did a great job so he's prolly pocketing this "fine". were gonna do the wage claims, irs, and osha because his warehouse is unsafe. i dunno how to report him saving the pictures or proove it but we all know it goes on.
Jun 11 2009 3:12PM
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Twinjibber77
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You get taxed on that income so he can hoard more money.
Jun 11 2009 3:16PM
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Malcolm
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fuck that guy sounds like an asshole. if this doesnt work out destroy his car
Jun 11 2009 3:22PM
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dguay13
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only one bolt and you can seize the motor. unscrew the oil drain and as he drives away.. bye bye engine
Jun 11 2009 3:30PM
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JeremyClarkson
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go sue his ass. when you come back asking again and he says no thats just going to strengthen your chances of winning.
Jun 11 2009 3:31PM
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neutralzombie
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do it for fucking sure man

Jun 11 2009 9:28PM
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