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Pro & Am top rated videos

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cool.
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so, looking at all of the top rated video (the first page) it seemed there were not many videos uploaded by users with regular blue names or people who aren't recognized pros. Maybe 10 or so out of 50.

just an idea... i think it would be cool if there were two "top rated" video sections. one for pro's videos and one for everyone else. i just think its hard for some people to get the recognition they deserve because their edit (example) gets rated as an 8 right away then just keeps getting 8's, maybe some higher, some lower but then nobody sees it again.

i just think it would be cool if non-pros got the recognition they deserve and their video's weren't automatically rated an 8 because they didn't have any double flips.

i dont know, just an idea...
May 5 2009 10:01PM
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BigZero
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i agree
May 5 2009 10:37PM
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Pippin
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I have to disagree, the line between pro and am is very, very thin, if it is there at all, it would be hard to categorize something as being "pro' or "am" as well because often there are "ams" in "pro" edits and same the other way. Also i don't think people would rate them any differently than they do now, users are going to judge 10 as the best they've ever seen and 0  as worst. I can say however it would be nice to give exposure to younger kids, but you must also think that if there was a seperate page for top "am" videos it would not get viewed as much as if say it were on the same page as the "pro" videos/
May 5 2009 10:45PM
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miroz
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Definitely a possibility.  Here are my thoughts...

I think that it would go against the premise of top rated, at least to a certain extent.  I know if I ever put a top rated vid up, I would be pumped because it would be top rated for all of NS, not just other AMs. 

Not only good skiing videos go in top rated.  I'm sure there are a bunch of vids with average skiing but spetacular videography and editing - those reflect effort on the creators part, and they deserve to be rewarded with that.

Besides, most people who would watch top rated videos anyway would go into the "pro" category - they want to see the epic skiing.

On a different note, how do you propose to draw the line between "pro" and "am"?  The people in the video?  Whether the name is orange or not?  Just curious...

May 5 2009 10:46PM
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cool.
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it's a half baked idea haha. i really didnt think things all the way to the end.

i would just like to see some more kids get more exposure thats pretty much it.

IF someone could figure out a way to draw the line between the two yea the "pro" page might get a lot more views BUT i strongly believe people (not as many) would definitely go to the "am" page and watch kids kill it.
its like, instead of having 10 videos out of 50 that do not feature a pro skier on one paage, youd get 50 videos of kids youve never heard of that kill it.


still, just an idea
May 5 2009 11:27PM
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eheath
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Just because the name is orange doesn't mean they're pro. Clown school is far from "pro" skiers, other than LJ.
May 6 2009 12:18AM
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cool.
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yea i realize that thats why its it would be hard to draw the line between the two divisions.

and when i say pro and am i dont mean professional like getting paid for skiing, its more like the known factor. how many who are consistent members on NS know clownschool? 99%

its kind of hard to say what i really mean
May 6 2009 7:00AM
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Mr.Bishop
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Well you're basically just running up against the fact that there is a very thin line between the two categories. Someone you might consider pro would be different than what someone else would think.

The real definition of a professional is someone who gets paid. So if they recieve a retainer to ski, then pro. If not, then am.

However, if you are talking pro skill level, thats a whole other bag of bananas. I mean on that logic, anyone could be pro if they are just super, super good. And being super, super good doesn't always mean you get paid.

Orange names are a different story... those aren't supposed to represent pros, but rather active people within the ski industry. They could be a pro rider, rep, active company representative, team manager, or all around industry dude.

I personally like slamming it all into the same category and lettin' you guys sort 'em out. Sure there will be a lot of orange names up there, but they're not in there because they're orange, they're in there because they're good.

I'm all for giving ams more exposure, (and newschoolers is pretty much the single best place for that on this planet) but I'm NOT about giving exposure to people that don't deserve it yet. Just because someone is a hot am from a certain area doesn't mean they're better than the pros. Most people better than pros will become pro themselves.

I think the NS community does a great job sorting through the bullshit and bringing the best stuff to the top. Over the summer we'll be working on our ranking algorithms and displays to try to facilitate this more and more. But hell... in the end you guys are the best and most honest judges.


May 6 2009 8:43AM
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