but seriously, if you can do them on a tramp, thats a good start, they're pretty similar.
"If I do something to piss of my bro's it doesn't matter because they won't care in like two days, but women will hold that shit again you forever, also women look good and blow me."
^^^like he said if you can do them on the tramp then its all good. other then that just pop backwards and spin. once you try them the first time then its like what was i scared of the whole time. also go for a 7 cuz they are easier