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I vote Yay for text votes!

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KillerMonkey
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To all these people against the text voting thing, here is my rebuttal:

I think giving the vote to the people instead of a few select judges is great for a big air contest because it gets rid of the "Spin to Win" format. "Spin to Win" has dominated the past couple of years as the only way to win a big air contest, it was whoever could get the most technical spin and grab together and we all agreed that it was crap. Remember what happened at the last x-games when they cut the slopestyle into a big air for skiing. How many 1080's did we see? Now when we leave it up to a bunch of normal people it changes things up. Most people dont care if you do a super technical cork 12 or whatever. Its now about who can throw the most WOW factor trick and the smoothest and the best looking trick out there. I mean sure when you get together with a dedicated group of freeskiers such as the newschoolers community then we will all cry foul play when a double front superman beats the a double flip. But really, who didnt think the double flip superman was WOW... I know many of you will think that this will stop the progression of the sport. I think we have gone a long way since the 1080s to these double flips, but personally I wouldve given the vote to a super sick 180 shifty or something like that over a double flip. So let me know what you guys think.
Jan 26 2009 12:20AM
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eheath
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I think you're a retard. The general audience of the xgames have no idea what is harder or more stylish. I'd say that they'd vote for a switch 12 over a steezy switch 7 any day and that your concept is completely flawed.
Jan 26 2009 12:22AM
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Jamestown
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did TGR send you?
Jan 26 2009 12:26AM
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james44
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you are wrong.
Jan 26 2009 12:26AM
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pretzels
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although I don't think the thread creator is a retard, I do agree with eheath and think you should reevaluate your thought process. After all, spin to win is WOW FACTOR, Dub Fronts are in the spin to win family, and doing cork 12s, or any other dub corks with style is the opposite of spin to win.
Jan 26 2009 12:28AM
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CBROOKS
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The other week i did a backflip on the same jump a kid had just thrown a cork 9 off of (in competition). People on the lift went ape shit when I did it, but didnt really do anything but look at him.

Clearly, I should have won.

Asshole judges
Jan 26 2009 12:28AM
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MatRich
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sweet with your format I can win with a 360 octo because im grabbing both skis, its impressive!  this format completely comercialises our sport, forcing skiers do do what the general public likes instead of doing our own thing. this would only end up doing the reverse effect. Meaning that instead of making slow spins like 7s or 9s win over 12s. skiers would have to do a flip more than the other skier, because thats mathematicaly more impressive! oh jon just did two streight backflips, il do 3!

I think we finaly found something that texting is worst for than a relationship.... A big air!

Jan 26 2009 12:30AM
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PhilboydStudge
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i agree. the people watching have no idea that a double cork 12 with a grab is way harder than a dub front flip. plus, simon has been doing this trick for 2+ years and really doesn't have many new tricks. it was so disappointing watching big air
Jan 26 2009 12:34AM
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garettnorthey
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So basically what you are saying is that to increase the wow factor you need to do insane tricks? Well what's more insane to a person that doesn't know about anything? a 7 or a 12? I think it's becoming more flip to win. Regular people would way rather see a backflip thrown off the jump than a 7. If you do 2 flips that is straight up gnar to the regulars out there. Pretty sure what made simon win was his front flip off of the ground in the beginning. However, I can now tell people that I helped judge the x games! But the results were not in my favor.
Jan 26 2009 12:34AM
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Dub_Digital
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sometimes
Jan 26 2009 12:35AM
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BennyV
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so very true, the only thing im surprised at is that there is no FAIL post here. are you high on some sort of crazy kinda shit?? did you even watch the same event that the rest of us did?? or are you one of the dumb fucks that voted for dumont?!?! I mean..are you serious?!
Jan 26 2009 12:43AM
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KillerMonkey
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Well Im glad to see that this thread is filled with maybe one or two intelligent responses. If some of you guys would like offer actual responses to some of the points I made than that would be appreciated. Well, I do agree Spork though and I think people look at flips way cooler than spins. But can anyone explain why a double flip with a 1080 didnt win over just a double front flip??? I mean seriosuly how many people actually count the number of spins and flips a person does when they are watching a big air contest? Especially when it is some off axis rotation. I mean half the time the announcers are getting the wrong number of spins and the general audience only knows after they are told by the announcers. And no, I am not retarded or dumb, I, personally, would rank style over technical tricks anyday. I think a backflip looks absolutely amazing when pulled off right. Way better than some 1260. And yes, I do know how much harder one of them is than the other but personally I think something styling is way better.
Jan 26 2009 12:50AM
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NaturalRotater
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i disagree the majority viewers have no idea at all what the fuck a steezy trick looks like, worst voting system ever all they say was a really cool front flip thrown by simon (no hate meant)
Jan 26 2009 12:52AM
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Jamestown
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but when steeze becomes the main focus of the competition, it defeats the whole purpose of your arguement. a zero spin is crazy style, but the masses wouldnt understand
Jan 26 2009 12:55AM
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wanttobe21
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i agree completly

Jan 26 2009 12:58AM
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BennyV
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i just dont understand how you can still say you disagree with the majority of the posts..I cant see your logic of how you can argue in favor of the voting system, please elaborate on your reasoning because I think it is you posting an ignorant post, not the majority of the postees. again, im not trying to hate on your idea because I truly believe that everyone has their own opinion but I am absolutely heated over the outcome of this BS event.
Jan 26 2009 1:08AM
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KillerMonkey
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Sparknotes:
It basically boils down to the fact that I think giving the vote to the people is good because they don't care for a Spin to Win contest. They vote for whatever looks "prettier" or "cooler." In other words whatever looks more steezy or stylin. I think this is the proper direction for Big Air contests because we can all agree that Spin to Win sucks. I just prefer style over technicality and I think it was proven tonight when people voted a double front flip over a double flip 1080 by a landslide.
Jan 26 2009 1:15AM
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klimp
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Remember a while back when the crowd booed tanner when he won pipe just because he didn't go as big as simon. This is a live example of most people not being able to understand anything other than go big and win or spin to win. And that is among people who took the time to drive to Aspen and attend this event, imagine the people who are watching it on tv.
Jan 26 2009 1:20AM
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powderhound100
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for them a steezy trick may be different then for you.


and to the guy that said people would just do what the general public would like and not have any individual whatever. Sort of the same thing with judges.
Jan 26 2009 1:26AM
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BennyV
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alright I see what your saying but there is the fact that a double front flip (which should not even have been in the comp) could win, not only in the first round, but win the finals..that did not deserve it..Jon did a double cork and so did PK, both switch at that. The ones who deserved to win were left without a medal and that is what it boils down to. The only good that came out of it is that the public got to see that skiing looks great on a grand scale. Even if they do not completely understand what is going on, they see what it has become. IDK if that is what you were getting at but that is the only good that I can possibly see in coming out of this event.
Jan 26 2009 1:29AM
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skithe49th
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i like what they had last year with a judge, text vote and a tiebreaker...anyone else??
Jan 26 2009 1:31AM
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k-rob
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if you think a dub front flip is more stylish than a dub flip 10 or any of the other tricks thrown down by PK and Jon, you've lost me. not only were PK and Jon's tricks more technical and a hell of a lot more difficult, they also had solid grabs and amazing (in Jon's case PERFECT) landings. it doesn't get much steezier than what Jon and Pk were throwing down, whereas everyone and their grandma can throw a dub flip.
so yeah, spin to win sucks, but what went down was not spin to win, it was a prefect blend of true difficulty, stomped landings, and smooth style. if Simon can admit that he shouldn't have even moved on to finals, why can't you?

Jan 26 2009 1:33AM
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manwiththemetalleg
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Another major problem is that only people in North America can vote. So that means all foreign competitors have lost before they even strap in. Bullshit.
Jan 26 2009 1:33AM
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KillerMonkey
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Well who you think deserves to win may be completely different than what a lot of people think... at least according to what happened tonight. and I agree that its great that more people can see skiing but I wouldnt say that they dont understand it. They get the point, I mean its people flying through the air doing cool tricks, so they vote for ever does the coolest. They may not get the point that they should be voting for who does the most technical trick but therein lies the problem. Big air shouldnt be about the most technical trick, I personally think it should be about style and steeze.
Jan 26 2009 1:36AM
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KillerMonkey
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Do you think the average person analyzes each trick for the amount of grab time and landings? Do you think they even count the number of spins? I watched the big air contest earlier with a friend who doesn't ski and I asked her, which one she would've voted for and she told me she thought the double front flip was plain out cooler. But I agree, I think both Jon and Pk's tricks were way more technical and way better tricks but I dont agree and think that they were more stylish. And that is what Simon admitted, he said they had better tricks in the more technical sense, but why do you think he still stuck with the double front if he knew that? Do you think he didnt want to win?

and to the other guy, I agree, the no international voting may have skewed things... not sure by how much but i think that is a factor to consider.
Jan 26 2009 1:42AM
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lloyd_christmas
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because he knew who was voting and wasn't confident he could do the other tricks better...?  did you really need to ask that?
Jan 26 2009 1:46AM
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BennyV
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..and while Dumont had lots of steeze with the superman layout was sick, Jon should have won (presuming that PK did not rightfully move on in the first place). These guys are still throwing it down for the fans and and double front should not beat a switch double cork, its that simple. Both switch double corks were clean and grabbed, I give major props to Mike D for trying to sway the voters after what happened in boarding big air, but thats beside the fact..it is a BIG AIR, which means that big tricks will be thrown, its the name of the game. They werent cramming straight 1260's into small airs, big airs with big double corked spins + grabs.. I vote NAY for text votes
Jan 26 2009 1:48AM
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KillerMonkey
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Are you really going to say that simon dumont can't do other tricks better?
Jan 26 2009 1:49AM
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k-rob
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he stuck with the double front because he already knew Jon had him. he couldn't throw anything better than Jon off the jump, so why not just throw a dub front? he wanted to win, but he knew he couldn't. the fact that he did is a testament to how stupid the text voting system is.
i don't understand you. what you're saying is that the medals should reward the athletes for pleasing the crowd, instead of performing to the best of their abilities. if dub fronts get gold medals over switch dub olsson flips, or dub cork 12s, then what motivation is there for improvement? if i didn't know jon is a better person, i might think he would start throwing easy tricks too, to drop himself down to the level that won simon a gold medal. do you really think that athletes should be rewarded for crowd pleasing over effort? if so, i don't think you're worth anyone's time.
Jan 26 2009 1:49AM
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lloyd_christmas
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i don't even know how to respond.  your arguments are so back and forth and contradicting it makes my head hurt trying to think of a way to do so without agreeing with you at some point.

...k-robs post above works just fine.
Jan 26 2009 1:57AM
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BennyV
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exactly, even Jon switched up his tricks to something harder, even when in a judged event his first rouble double cork would have beat simons lame ass double front. Simon threw the same shit in both rounds and unfortunately won, the only way that could happen is if xgames did something as ridiculous as fan voting, and by fan voting I mean voting my any dumb ass fuck with a cell. Im still so pissed
Jan 26 2009 2:06AM
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powderhound100
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IF I am not mistaken anyone can vote no matter where they are. you dont have to text the vote, you can vote on the website which is what I did (no I did not vote for the double front lol)



Jan 26 2009 2:12AM
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XtRemE11
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i like it too, even though i hate simon, i really thought he deserved to win, im so sick of doubles, (yeah i know a double front is also a double) but i thought it was awesome that he won for just doing an overall awesome, super cool trick rather than just another double that we see all the fucking time, this isnt the olympics where people are judged for doing everything textbook and with the right form and all that bullshit, its a FREESTYLE skiing competition, and people should be able to win by doing their own creative trick rather than whats the standard.

just because one trick is harder than another doesnt mean it should win, again its a FREESTYLE skiing competition, judging people purely based on difficulty. creativity, style, originality, wow factor, and dificulty should all be judged equally.
Jan 26 2009 2:26AM
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cobra_commander
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I vote Yayo. 
Jan 26 2009 2:41AM
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ax_murderer
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haha dude cool or steezy is cmpletly personal. i dont dig no poles others think its steeze. what better way to see whats the best trick. the one that makes people who dont ski go wow thats some sick shit.
Jan 26 2009 2:46AM
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h_bar
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epicski?
Jan 26 2009 3:41AM
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Twig
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i'm gonna have to say it wasn't even really about crowd pleasing tricks.. Jon did doubles too which were also pretty high 'wow' factor.. i'm gonna go out on a limb here.. Simon won because he is American and famous.. same story as the snowboard big air... Travis Rice didn't even really stick his tricks and he won over a perfect sw bs 12..
Jan 26 2009 6:38AM
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XtRemE11
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yeah but it was a double front with a big spread out superman in the middle, if it was just a normal double front then no it wouldnt be that cool, but a double front with a superman is awesome, way cooler than a double flip we have all seen 100 times at every fucking big air or slopestyle comp. it was original, and just all around really awesome.
Jan 26 2009 12:13PM
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YT.SKEEZE
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Please stop contradicting yourself it just makes you look stupid. You say you want to see big air be more about style but after that you state that the general public won't count grab time and landings which is a MAJOR factor of style. Text voting will not stop a spin to win contest, it probably enhance it. Also I don't think Simon was playing to the crowds favor he was just throwing what he does in every single big air competition he has ever entered in the past couple years.
As stated above Simon won because he's American it is that simple.

And PKs double flips are not the dubs we have seen a hundred times. I believe he has only thrown one other dub cork 12 in competition this year at KOS. The switch dub was also a first for him in competition.

Question: When did Jon's hexo flip or whatever suddenly become an Olsson flip? Can it not just be a switch double flip 1080?
Jan 26 2009 1:18PM
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Jacobsen
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This system favors americans way too much. Mikkel Bang stomped two switch backside 12's while Travis Rice stomped a double back 180, but on the double back 1080 he had to revert and drag both his hands along the ground when he landed. Mikkel got 8% of the votes, how is that fair in any way? And this system obviously didn't prevent a spin to win contest. Travis span so hard that he didn't even manage to land his tricks without reverting.

I know this is snowboarding, but I do think Simon got a fair amount of votes for being american too.
Jan 26 2009 1:24PM
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Clandestino
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Hey dumbass how much did Dumont pay you to make this thread?  Your "wow factor" basis is lame, because the "wow factor" can be different for everyone.  Some general public may actually be "wowed" more by a dub cork or a sick dub flip like Jon's.  Really, Simon won because he is from Colorado, and because he is American.

 NO double front flip should beat highly technical, grabbed technically the whole time double/ off axis tricks.  A double front superman is a sweet looking trick, but it is absolutely not progressive/stylish at all.

PK could've done a dub front superman if he wanted, he also could've matched Dumont's cork/misty 1080.  He didn't because he is loads better than Simon on booters/park, and showed him what's up with his gnar tricks.

Text voting is extremely lame.  SImon needs to stop doing his almost the same park run, and same big air tricks that he has been doing for the past couple of years.  Technically he was "spiinning to win" with his straight 1080.  Boo Simon for entering that Big Air contest and throwing not progressive/ old tricks.  I hope  he uses some of his money for a trainer to teach him some new tricks, and gives all the rest to Riley Poor.

Thread creator, you are a dumb shit, and you don't understand skiing.

Jan 26 2009 1:28PM
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Sashquach
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txt voting is retared
the people have no clue whats harder they just like to see people go upside down
txt voting is like wining a fockin tv show or somp
so hag
if anyone did like a supper easy trick like a switch back or may stepped it up to a switch double back
which some can argue is easier than a cab 10 even it just has more wow factor
and thats what txt voting does puts the judging into a bunch of retard people who dont know shit
Jan 26 2009 3:32PM
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Drail
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Mr. Killermonkey - you really need to stop. just stop.

as someone above mentioned - I don't even think the tricks they were throwing had anything to do with the result of the competition. The American won, in both skiing and snowboarding. Not only that - but they won by a alarmingly stupid percentage. 92% for a double cork with a not so perfect landing, 8% for a super smooth, switch backside 12 that was stomped.


There are more flaws to the text vote system than simply what tricks are being thrown. Do you really think America will vote for a non-american?



there is no way you can justify to me (and I don't want to speak for the rest of the NS community, but here I go) or the rest of the NS community that text voting is a good thing, in any way. So please - stop.
Jan 26 2009 3:51PM
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TheQuailman
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KillerMonkey-

I agree with you that style should be worth more than technicality, but having fans text in to decide the winner is not the right way to go.

The best option is to have judges that know what they are talking about.

It use to be hard to find good judges because freeskiing was so young that anyone in freeskiing was competing but now as some older pros are retiring, it is becoming easier.

And I think if ten skiers competed and everyone did a dub cork sw 1260 except dumont who did a dub front with a superman than he should win.  

Jan 26 2009 4:04PM
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7-11_Slurpee
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Text to win would be alright if people from ns/other freeskiers did the voting. The problem is, the people who were voting were mostly uneducated in the area of freestyle skiing. When i went back to school, people were like omg!!! did you see his double frontflip SUPERMAN. Im like uhh...? did you see any of the rodio 10's or anything like that? Maybe you liked jon olssons runs? but no, they were so caught up with his amazing SUPERMAN, they didnt even put that into account.
Jan 26 2009 4:05PM
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Broha-X-Press
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sorry but he's from maine...
Jan 26 2009 4:15PM
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blindside
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What do you think would happen if the Olympics started letting the audience judge the gymnastics, or the figure skating events for example. It would be unheard of! The bottom line is that such intricate and complex sports (such as skiing) simply cannot be left up to a lay audience to decide which competitor is superior.
Jan 26 2009 4:19PM
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KFRADtheLaxBro
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you must be simon's butt buddy
Jan 26 2009 4:25PM
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quebecfreestyler
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 I know the difference between a triple lutz and a triple axel or whatever the way they are named. !!!!


On another note, the margin from the votes should make everyone realise how bad the text vote thing is. there is no way there should have been such a huge margin in both skiing and snowboarding.

I still believe that skiing is turning into the biggest reality tv show when it comes to competition being shown on tv.

Jan 26 2009 4:35PM
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