ROTK:what was perfect, what was not

The ending was too long and I got sick of watching those 2 gay hobbits Sam and Frodo. I kept thinking why don't you two just fuck and get it over with. Other than that, the movie kicked ass.

Oh and Aragorn should have picked Eowyn, not Arwen.

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i can't belive sauron doesn't even end up dead, i dont even think he was in the movie.

i also remember the last battle being bigger in the book, but it was still incredible

You do mean saruman, right? I noticed that too... but I wasn't expecting the end to be right. They really cut the tower of cirith ungol part short. But what they DID do, for the most part, was done right. I wanted the Dernhelm part to be played up a bit more, it was pretty obvious that it was Eowyn considering merry says so, in fact the word 'Dernhelm' doesn't even come up. Just as in the last movie, a couple bits should've been longer. Still, of the three, it was my favourite.

I t was sooo good. I cried so much though. I'm a sentimental freak. I loved it but some parts could have been cut.



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I was way good except for the end. They just threw the book out the window the last 20 minutes. Still a very very awesome movie.


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^Not aside from missing the scouring. Really, I hope you guys complained a LOT more about the first 2 movies because the errors were far worse in those 2. I'd ratehr they left things out than did things wrong.

what'd they do wrong in the first 2?

Do NOT get me started on what was wrong with the first two.... I almost threw up when the elves showed up at helm's deep, when faramir took frodo to osgiliath, when arwen showed up, took frodo to the ford, and made the white horses, or how about when aragorn fell off that cliff, and everyone thought he was dead, or when they suggest that arwen is going to leave for valinor? Or that theoden's decision to go to helm's deep was a baaaad idea? Even small stuff, like frodo figuring out the riddle to get into moria, or the balrog's whip slipping OFF Gandalf's leg, before he lets go... WHY DOESN'T HE JUST PULL HIMSELF UP??? The IDEA is that he's got a Balrog hanging from his foot, and he COULD pull himself up, but the balrog would come with him, so he lets go. I'm sorry, but there were a lot of serious errors, DOZENS more than that.

If you're complaining about them leaving out the scouring of the shire, you have to complain about them leaving out the equally sweet, if not sweeter, section: Tom Bombadil.

See, you got me started... but I've stopped myself now... don't worry, it's all over.

Yeah I agree with what's been said but I also think that with the ending it was just too long, it's like- fade out light, cue in flutes, BAM another scene





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^I didnt think it was too long, I just wasn't huge on the scene transitions. The fade to black and then come back on stuff.

i think the end was sweet, but yeah i cried too, i also cried when gandalf fell from the bridge at kazaad dum too. those movies are so much better than every other movie ever made though
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'In rode the Lord of the Nazgul. A great black shape against the fires beyond, he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgul, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face.
All save one. There, waiting silent and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax : Shadowfax, who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dinen.'

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^Um... no... the story is... but the movies aren't in the top 50.

Actually, I was quite pissed when they didnt have Bombadill in there.


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i thought when they were lighting the beacons...that was a pretty sweet scene, just has wicked background music/camera angles
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yeah the lighting of the beacons was a good part, but i agree that the end was pretty painful. even though it followed the book mostly, it was the black-out and return technique was pretty lame. And yes, the final battle at the gates of Mordor was much larger in the book. Tolkien made it much more epic. aside from that, though, it was the best of the three. and the movies are still top 50.




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oh, also, did anyone else notice a lack of the theme music in most of the movie?? i remember in the FOTR and TTT there was always that familiar melody, but in ROTK it was strangely absent from most of the movie. or have i just gone insane from lack of sleep?




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They had a reoccuring tune in ROTK, it was different from the ones in TT and FOTR they played the one that was in ROTK in the others but not as much as in ROTK
I realize that made no sense
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yeah dude it is the best ever, and heres my opinion

the scale of dans movie greatness(highest being best)
Return of the King
Fellowship of the Ring
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Shawshank Redemption












every other movie
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Dan Maguire
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'In rode the Lord of the Nazgul. A great black shape against the fires beyond, he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgul, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face.
All save one. There, waiting silent and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax : Shadowfax, who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dinen.'

'Dude, we're sick. He's pretty sick, but his muscles aren't as big as mine, so you know.'-CR Johnson

Citizen Kane? Casablanca (my favourite)? Raging bull? Apocalypse now? Come on, there are waaaaaay better movies out there. By the way, as a movie, the two towers was not very good. FOTR and ROTK were very good movies, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, they're not top 50 all time worthy.

the books are the most important fictional work of the century, so id say yes they are top 50 worthy

Oh hell, the books are incredible, they're my favourite novels, but there's more to moviemaking than the plot (which was altered in places anyways, not to the improvement of the films). If we were only talking plot, then I would put them #1, but there are other factors...say....ACTING. Liv Tyler, for example. From where I was sitting Cate Blanchett and Ian McKellen had good performances... aside from that it was likke 'Yeah, that was pretty good, but not stellar'. Go watch taxi driver for some good acting (and directing). The adaptive screenplay also could have been much improved in places (WHAT THE FUCK WAS 'If you want him, come and claim him!'??!?!?)
LOTR did have good cinematography and effects, you have to give it that. but as a movie, it does not rank as a masterpiece. ROTK is pretty close though, by far the best of the three, which I would put in order as:
1 ROTK
2 FOTR
3 ...
4 TTT

I get pissed when people call Gollum scheigel, or however you spell it. The last movie was great. RFTK was by far the best conclusion to any trilogy ever made. Has anyone ever heard of the rumor that theyt are re doing the Hobbit?


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okay, some of you raise some good points, some of you are dumb.

1) If you put any thought into the music, you would realise that yes, they are melodies but they are actully MOTIF's. A small piece of music that represents a theme. The fellowship has it's own theme that was highly used in the first two movies, it is left out of the third because the fellowship has split and broken up. There are other themes that represent certain races and areas such as Rohan and the Elves, these are also left out because they are in different places with their own new themes, duuuh.

2. The scouring of the shire is left out because it really isn't neccessary. It's like 2 endings to the same story. Once the ring is destroyed the majority of the viewing public want it to be a happy ending which it is. But then getting their home town demolished would kinda put a downer on things, yeah it happened for the book but you'll probably find that 95% of the people who watch the movie actually aren't as smart, thoughtful and intuitive as most of those who have read the book and actually thought about it.

3. Gollum IS Smeagol, why does it piss you off that people refer to him as both? He is both, he has a skitzophrenic multiple personality, they clash and they hate each other, he battles his own mind and it shows how the ring has destroyed him, again, duuuuuuh.

4. Yes, it is kinda controversial that Sauramon's demise and all that has been left out. Apparently Christopher Lee wsa pretty pissed off about it but old Peter Jackson had a certain time limit to stick to and decided it was no longer neccessary for the essence of the story and therefore omitted it, however it will be added into the extended edition due to release next October I think.

5. Yes it was one of the best movies and the best triologies of all time, that is all, no arguements, it just was.

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'The scouring of the shire is left out because it really isn't neccessary.'

Tolkein disagrees with you. in fact, in an interview, he said specifically that the scouring of the shire was a completely necessary component of the story that had been planned since the beginning of the writing of the books. I didn't EXPECT it to be in there, but it is actually an important part of the novels according to the author, and who better to trust than that?

And nobody's given any reasons for it being one of the best movies of all time, to just say 'it is, that's all' is a bit weak. To say the books rocked is, 1. giving credit to something that deserves it, continue saying the books rocked, always good to hear... but 2. a statement which doesn't have enough to do with the movies to justify their selection as belonging to the top 50 list.

I agree with 'One of the best trilogies ever', but not THE best... I still give the title to the Godfather movies, and LOTR would be fairly evenly matched with the original Star Wars Trilogy (though I guess you could really consider it a sextet now.) Indiana Jones was plagues by a very weak middle chapter, and Back to the Future didn't finish as well as it could have, so no competition there.

the scouring of the shire would have been awesome, but it is such a long movie, that part could have easily been another 45 minutes. I heard that they didn't even shoot the scouring of the shire, but it could be a rumor.
Also, i actually found a trailer for the hobbit on kazaa.



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I read the first book and there was alot they left out that would have been cool to see but all in all it was great movie. I realy hope they make a Hobbit movie and more about middle earth.



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the godfather was better? the first 2 were amazing, but the third one surely discredits it as the best trilogy ever.

ill tell you why i think its the best movie ever, aside from the fact that the costumes, special effects, sets and props were the best ever (you cant say they werent at least arguably the best ever), its the only movie to make me immensely happy and immensely sad to the point of weeping. also the story is the best ever, and i disagree with your acting analysis. i think the acting was great on all fronts except for maybe that of liv tyler, and that was her best performance by far. for example i have never been more into a movie (ie, nothings goin on except for the movie at that point) than i was when frodo and sam were in mount doom, or when gandalf faced off against the balrog. also once again in my opinion the use and greatness of the score is unequaled. i do think those other movies you listed are great especially apocalypse now (in my top 10) but i will still always love the lord of the rings movies the best.
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'In rode the Lord of the Nazgul. A great black shape against the fires beyond, he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgul, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face.
All save one. There, waiting silent and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax : Shadowfax, who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dinen.'

'Dude, we're sick. He's pretty sick, but his muscles aren't as big as mine, so you know.'-CR Johnson

Well you and I certainly differ in opinion with regard to the score; I thought the music, overall, was weak. As far as acting I should have also mentioned that Sean Bean in FOTR was incredibly good. In fact, I couldn't have asked for more from him. However, Viggo, Orlando and John Rhys-Davies (altho I liked the latter a fair amount more) were less, in my opinion, than ideal in bringing across the characters. Gimli was used a bit too often for comic relief, and that came across in the acting. Aragorn had little of his dignity or understated strength of character that was so easily detectible in the books. I had difficulty believing he was half as old as he's supposed to be. Legolas, the opposite problem: he seemed TOO old; that is, far too collected and cool. In the books he came across not as some uber-sweet guy who kicks everythings ass without breaking a sweat, although he was obviously a great fighter, he had a sort of playful side to him as well. Hugo Weaving was fairly good for what he was there for, but I don't think I was the only one who couldn't dismiss the image of agent smith... it would've been excellent casting aside from that.
As for having a movie move you, I didn't feel at all moved by the relationships, possibly because liv tyler was so aggregiously bad, and they excluded the houses of healing bit where Eowyn meets Faramir. I'll say I was awed by the battle scenes, of course, but there are several movies that have done that for me. And Gandalf Vs. Balrog I came away from going 'IF THE BALROG LET HIM GO WHY DIDNT HE JUST PULL HIMSELF UP?!?'
All in all the films didnt have half the emotional power of Apocalypse Now, The Godfather Pt I, Schindler's list, Citizen Kane and others.
Effects, as both you and I said were awesome, and I should've given a bit more credit for Gollum, because he was done so unbelievably well. Costumes, you say? Yes, good, but not 'Holy shit', I mean they fit, but you don't realy notice them as a great feature of the film. Makeup was good on the orcs, but not revolutionary.
And the directing was, sadly, not up to snuff. The manner in which the thing was done was fine in parts, good in others, but not 'Holy-Fuck-It's-Like-Pulp-Fiction' good. There wasn't the impact, the magnitude of the thing wasn't brought across a hundreth part as well as it was in the books. Go watch A Clockwork Orange for some REAL impact.
Now I do think it was a very good trilogy, and I think ROTK was a GREAT movie, probably the best of 2003 (Although if you really take the time to examine what was done with Kill Bill, it was an excellent picture, but we'll have to wait for pt II to really judge that one). But to put it or the trilogy on the level of masterpieces is a blowing things waaaay out of proportion.

So I guess you and me see LOTR a bit differently... you love it so much that something that is well done and reflects it in most ways is in your opinion on a level with God. I can see where you come from with that, but for me, I love it so much that something that doesn't do it justice, anything that I can honestly say does not live up to the absolute unparalleled epic greatness that was The Lord of The Rings books, is not something that I will put on a level with them. These movies were that something. I loved them, but I won't place them on my bookshelf next to any of my copies of the books.