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Obama vs. Hand Gun Sales(read)!

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averyshyra
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Hey everyone, my dad and i were at dinner tonight, and we were talkin about the election.
well he is friends with a guy that owns a gun store, and he talked to the guy just the other day.
The owner of the store has told my dad that ever since Obama was elected, hand gun sales have raised 48%, becuase people feel he will take away the right, or that the US will fall into epic turmoil, Anarchy.

Let me know what you think.

Nov 13 2008 9:48PM
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coolhandluke
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you draw the line simply by enforcing the current laws rather than adding new ones.

Nov 14 2008 2:15AM
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Ben.
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but clearly handguns are causing a problem. and looking at a place like england, clearly an all out ban does work
Nov 14 2008 2:26AM
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BASS_PRO_SHOP
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all i wanna do is own guns to shoot shit. fuck obama if he wants to make it a 1/100th more challenging to own a gun!
Nov 14 2008 2:43AM
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Nicholas.
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someone can go out with a pistol and kill a some people if they want, but they WILL get stopped fast..

but if they shoot a missile...? lots of casualties..........people deserve to have guns, thats where i draw the line.
Nov 14 2008 2:47AM
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coolhandluke
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england's gun laws are so strict, certain firearms-related events in the olympics would be illegal on their soil.  how the hell are they going to host the 2012 olympics?  change their laws just for the games?  silly.
Nov 14 2008 2:47AM
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Nicholas.
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yeah, im sorry but...england is....fail?

like really i dont want to be a dick, but come on.....good luck with your ideals...i genuinely hope you succeed...ill move there.
Nov 14 2008 2:50AM
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Alex_G
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i'm torn on this issue with gun control, i don't know which way to go on this one.
Nov 14 2008 3:11AM
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Static
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check out the stabbing statistics
Nov 14 2008 3:34AM
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skithesprings
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yes,

you never know, it could cost you your life in some situation if its you or the other guy. i dont carry a gun but i think that if someone wants to its their right to choose

Nov 14 2008 4:16AM
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BKlein
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in my opinion it doesnt work
think about all the gang shootinggs in the past year over 300 in chicago my hometown
and the guns go through an illegal chain of people with the gang member on one end and some civilian buying guns in places like kentucky and ohio on the other
Nov 14 2008 7:36AM
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BKlein
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thats not a fair comparrison
peopel in cars dont set out to kill other drivers wen they get in accidents
over ninety percent of the time wen someone dies from a gun shot / gets hit the shot was intended to kill somone
Nov 14 2008 7:39AM
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Ben.
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OH NO. not the olympics! please.
Nov 14 2008 10:16AM
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Ben.
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Number of stabbings? or stabbing deaths. Because im willing to bet that a LOT less people die from stabbings than GSWs. And so, then carry around a knife to defend yourself. Its a hell of a harder to kill the wrong person with a knife. Eliminates the "innocent bystander"
Nov 14 2008 10:18AM
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seeingstars
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So if fear of having your face blown off is just a "SMALL" deterrent it would actually make more sense to rob someone in a rural area.

Many people I know never lock their doors, and all live in very rural areas. Plus, no more than 500 yards from any house and you're in the woods, the best hiding place of all. Furthermore, no one is going to see you snooping around someone's house because there aren't that many people who can see your house. Plus, no one has a security system in the country, so the cops won't even be notified until after the deed. Even if the cops were notified, and in my town especially, it would take them at least 20 minutes to get there. (My town has no police force so the neighboring town's police have no jurisdiction so the only cops that would have any power are sheriffs and state cops) In fact, the only thing deterring a robber in the country is the prospect of not having a face left after opening the door. And if that happened at my house you can trust me they would get shot.

If I'm a robber and I see a car or truck in someone's driveway with a gun rack, I'm not going to go into their house, that's just common sense.

You say that robbers have many homes to choose from in the city, but that's not a reason to steal. The reason to steal is the person having money and a pretty good chance you're not going to get shot.
Nov 14 2008 10:28AM
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Ben.
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it might also have to do with how difficult it is to GET to more rural areas. also, why rob farmers in rural areas, when you can rob people in the city that you have much easier access to. it has nothing to do with the guns, and everything to do with WHO has the possessions of value, and how easy they are to access.
Nov 14 2008 11:00AM
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urbanjib
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well then lets think about this...

you go into store, purchase gun,
you go outside
you pull out gun...
does gun shoot itslef?
no, YOU phisically pull the trigger, activating a system, same as a computer mouse...

by itself, a gun is the same as a computer mouse,
once it enters your hands, then you are controlling what happens

banning guns will do absolutely nothing...there will just be more under the table sales, and traffiking
Nov 14 2008 11:15AM
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t_rob
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judging by the rite-aid and the timmy ho-ho's in the backround that is right outside where I went to high school. JEA.


Nov 14 2008 11:20AM
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NW_Rider
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Banning firearms is just going to take guns out of the hands of responsible owners and put them in the hands of bad people and create a huge black market. Do you really think that if a ban goes into place some blood's gunna be like "sheit, gotta take this strap to tha 5-0 department now". Fuck no there gunna keep and remain the only type of poeple WITH guns.

Nov 14 2008 11:24AM
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seeingstars
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i have no idea why you think that robbers have easier access to people in cities. I just gave about 10 reasons why that's not true.

Do you think that everyone in the country is dirt poor?

Do you think that the only people who would ever want to steal anything live in the city?
Nov 14 2008 11:32AM
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ax_murderer
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they will and are suppressing our freedom. whatever, the declaration gives us guns for the government becomes a monster. im not saying it will for sure happen under obama, but eventually in the future it will.. he's our president elect. cool. i dont quite see your point there.
Nov 14 2008 1:44PM
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averyshyra
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This is a great point.
well put bud.

Nov 14 2008 1:51PM
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Ben.
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first of all what part of ENGLAND do you not understand. they have less gun deaths, period. they banned guns. its not some sort of anarchy there with criminals running around.

also gun violence is clearly a problem. so should we ban stupid people? since they pull the trigger? i think not
Nov 14 2008 2:51PM
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Ben.
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and is there no crime in the country? no. theres less people, therefore less crime. criminals for the most part live in the city. generally if your committing robbery, you arent exactly rolling a dough, its a way to survive. so do you think that the criminal is gonna drive out to bumble fuck to steal shit? i think not.


there are a hundred different reasons why theres less crime in the country than the city, none of it has to do with the fact that they have guns.
Nov 14 2008 2:53PM
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XtRemE11
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yup, i doubt it will happen under obama, but sometime, it WILL happen, could be hundreds of years from now, could be 20, could be 2. but sometime, our government will have too much power, and become too abusive. and we will need to take them out.
this is why slowly taking away our rights for guns scares me, because our government keeps gradually taking away rights, and when we get to a point where they have gone too far, the citizens have to do something about it. and if they take away guns, we have virtually no power. so our right to own guns really is one of the most important rights we can have, and when people like obama are trying to slowly take that away, its pretty scarry.

its not like we can really complain, we have it better than 99% of the rest of the world. we could be all be starving in africa or something. but thats no reason to let our government take control of us, just because other countries are fucked up and corrupt, doesnt mean that ours should.
Nov 14 2008 2:59PM
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Tom.
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can you honestly say that killing someone with a gun is the same as killing someone with a knife?
Its a lot easier to kill someone with a gun than anything else.

Personally, I just think that there should be very tight restrictions on everything except hunting rifles. I understand that most people use guns for recreation, but is there really anything that you need need a handgun or semiautomatic for?
Nov 14 2008 3:06PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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yes...sport shooting and home protection.  you can't safely defend a home with a hunting rifle...the rounds are too powerful. 
Nov 14 2008 3:25PM
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NomenClature
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VERY IMPORTANT

RECENT COURT CASE PRETTY MUCH SETTLED THIS ISSUE

the Supreme Court of the United States just declared in HELLER V. WASHINGTON DC:

HANDGUNS ARE LEGITIMATE IMPLEMENTS OF SELF DEFENSE
    BANS ON HANDGUNS ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL

THE US CONSTITUTIONAL GRANTS 'The people' (interpreted as the populace) A RIGHT TO KEEP A BEAR ARMS.   This has been interpreted as a right to own fire arms for self defense, and that laws that undermine the ability to do so are unconstitutional.

the following are now illegal:

   Bans on Handguns in Cities/Towns (both DC and Newark have been denied their on the books bans)
   
    Requirements that Weapons be:
                   Unloaded
                   Trigger Locked
                   Disassembled
                         Or any other requirement of possession that undermines a weapon's utility for use in self defense.

BTW : Obama is on record from the campaign trail (In Penn.) stating he will not try and ban handguns.

SUCK IT YOU DO-GOODER LIBERALS, try and take our guns now.


Heller V DC : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
Nov 14 2008 3:26PM
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NomenClature
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And you Anti-gun people need to learn a thing or two about illicit weapons markets.

Making guns illegal makes smuggling them a lot more profitable.

The "REAL IRA" has made a TON of money smuggling weapons into the UK, and gun crime is skyrocketing (despite their draconian laws)
Nov 14 2008 3:32PM
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Phill.
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lets see now...... if we law abiding citizens (for the most part) are forced to give our guns away, what about the bad guys who already dont care about breaking the law.... are they just going to give up their guns to???? no they will just be less afraid to go in to some law abiding guys house and rob him because there is a 99.999999% chance that the guy (law abiding) has no gun cause the government banned em...... im guessing robberies, burglaries, ect. will sky rocket if guns are out lawed......


thats why...... BOB BARR 2012!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 14 2008 4:39PM
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IceCreamer
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true
Nov 14 2008 4:48PM
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MLB
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lol i love the anti-constitutional statement.....man, you guys will really need those guns with King George trying to steal your Tabaco and spices

I think you guys seriously need to look at your laws. I love guns. I will say it. I have a semi-auto 30 odd 6, and a 12 guage. I love going to private ranges and using weapons. I will say this.......private citizens schould not own hand guns. There are weapons that average people schould own, and weapons that schould not be available to the public.

Protection? Thats a stupid argument.  If someone enters my house, i tell you my 12 has more then enough stopping power, and fear factor to make anybody run off.  You don't need a hand weapon in public. Tasers, and spray do just as well a job at stopping a defender. Plus do you think you ( who have only fired weapons in a private range) can kill a human on the street.

Yes I understand the value of using them for sport......but why do you have to OWN these weapons. Why not just use them at the range? Hand weapons were made for trained professtionals ( not provate citizens), and there is NO reason to make them harder to get.
Nov 14 2008 5:29PM
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krow
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i really dont see a reason that hand guns should be allowed anyway.

sorry if you think im an idiot, but thats just what i think
Nov 14 2008 5:39PM
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Nico_G
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except the only BIG Difference is a mouse doesn't kill people. Also all you people arguing its a constitutional right thats true in the context of the revolutionary war. I dont see how we have to defend ourselves from quartered soldiers in our modern society. cause that's really what that was for. It doesnt apply, The self defense myth is bullshit too. Seriously if someone breaks into your house with the same gun and shoots you first what are you going to do? Now I personally dont have a problem with rifles for hunting but handguns and automatic weapons have no purpose but to kill other humans. And dont give me that bullshit your a pussy liberal cause im actually moderate but i feel like i have a sense of right and wrong. Seriously its funny that all these conservatives who are all pro gun and killing people also advertise themselves as being moral and righteous in the image of God. If they actually read the bible is turn the other cheek. Hypocrits.


Nov 14 2008 6:25PM
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NomenClature
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because you can conceal them.

i cant even count how many times someone has tried to bait me into a situation where id be robbed.

when i was 11 - 14 i was actually mugged FIVE TIMES

And i live in a decent neighborhood in a "low crime" city

just because you've been lucky enough to not need a weapon for your own self defense, doesn't mean that its not a real need.

a neighborhood of proficient gun owners is definitely both a deterrent, and an effective means of defense.

Legal gun ownership is not the problem, its disaffected youth, and a pervasive Gang Culture with access to illicitly trafficked weapons that causes gun crime.
Nov 14 2008 6:28PM
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ax_murderer
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haha thanks for pointing that out there chief.

thats what happens when we peple get to much pwer
Nov 14 2008 6:29PM
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skiEER
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i understand the right to bear arms and hunting but i see no real need for hand guns or any type of automatic weapon
Nov 14 2008 6:30PM
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Phill.
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power to the people
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power to the skeirs
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power to the boarders
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an all NS government....... how about it......

VOTE NS FOR 2012!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 14 2008 6:38PM
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A.R.
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god to all?

you do realise jah means god, right?

Nov 14 2008 7:05PM
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ax_murderer
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pronounced yah.
Nov 14 2008 7:07PM
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coolhandluke
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why don't we fully enforce current laws prior to making new laws?


federal firearms laws already make it illegal for the following people to possess, receive, ship, or transport firearms or ammunition:

  • Those convicted of crimes punishable by imprisonment for over one year, except state misdemeanors punishable by two years or less.
  • Fugitives from justice.
  • Unlawful users of certain depressant, narcotic, or stimulant drugs.
  • Those adjudicated as mental defectives or incompetents or those committed to any mental institution.
  • Illegal aliens.
  • Citizens who have renounced their citizenship.
  • Those persons dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces.
  • Persons less than 18 years of age for the purchase of a shotgun or rifle.
  • Persons less than 21 years of age for the purchase of a firearm that is other than a shotgun or rifle.
  • Persons subject to a court order that restrains such persons from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner.
  • Persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

OR if you are merely under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for more than one year, you are thus ineligible to receive, transport, or ship any firearm or ammunition.


that merely applies to the commonplace firearms that you can purchase at a normal legal gun store. 


all the hype firearms that you hear about (NFA weapons) or use in your video games or T.I. keeps in his basement already require a special license.  this includes: full-auto firearms, firearms with a silencer affixed, short barreled shotguns (under 18" barrel), short barreled rifles (under 16" barrel), and destructive devices.

Nov 14 2008 7:22PM
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east_toast
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Zombies
Nov 14 2008 7:23PM
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seeingstars
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thank you
Nov 14 2008 7:30PM
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Tom.
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is sport shooting like shooting skeet? because I don't understand why you wouldnt use a hunting rifle for shooting skeet.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean when you say a hunting rifle is "too powerful" to defend your home with. In any case, I did not say there should be an all-out ban on hand guns, I just think they should be very hard to get.
Nov 14 2008 7:32PM
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whattheshit
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because hunting rifles are usually bolt action and don't offer variations in ammo such a buck shot.

you would have to be super fast and a ridiculous shot to take down multiple disks, almost inhuman.

hence, why shotguns are typically used.
Nov 14 2008 7:45PM
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Tom.
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Well, i guess I'm just trying to say guns that aren't used for recreation should have strict restrictions on them.

And by recreation I don't mean taking your Desert Eagle and M16 down to the shooting range; I mean legitimate sports or hunting.
Nov 14 2008 8:06PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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yeah, they do.  unfortunatley.
Nov 14 2008 8:43PM
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Static
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It's crazy that you guys actually want government bans on things, in a country that was founded on individual freedoms it means you're not responsible for someone else's poor decisions. I realize you might be a little scared, that's fine if you don't feel like your up to living in a country with so many personal freedoms; The world has plenty of other places that will restrict what you and your neighbors do. Just don't fuck it up for the rest of us.
Nov 14 2008 9:06PM
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Tom.
Posts: 1954 - Karma: 12
Agreed. It's too bad that the US already has a shit-ton of bans on MY freedoms. I mean, WHAT THE FUCK is with the laws banning my right to kill and rape people? And why is it illegal to own hand grenades, pipe bombs, heroin, crystal methamphetamine, heavy machine guns, nuclear warheads, anthrax and slaves. Honestly America might as well be Nazi Germany.
Nov 14 2008 9:19PM
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XtRemE11
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yup exactly. there are plenty of awesome countries out there where your entire life can be completely controlled, if you dont like the idea of freedom, there are plenty of corrupt as fuck countries out there for you to enjoy.

but seriously, look at all the countries as a whole, the more restrictive they are, and the less freedom citizens have, the more fucked up they are, yeah sweet you wont have as many random psycho's with guns killing people, you will have the entire government with armies doing that!! sounds awesome right?
Nov 14 2008 9:25PM
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ax_murderer
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Amen. VERY well said.
Nov 14 2008 9:26PM
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