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dave...
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So I've noticed hate thread after hate thread, it doesn't seem to stop.

-Dumont is gay because he has a tattoo on his arm

-Boone skis suck because the owner is jacked

-the list goes on, i just chose these two as recent examples


I noticed a difference between these two threads though. In one thread, the person being hated on, actually comes out and defends their case. Boone Skis came to address all the hate against their company.

In the Dumont thread, Simon Dumont didn't come out and say something like: "Hey, that tattoo is the name of someone who is very close to me".


I guess what's important to think about is that yes, hate is bad, but we can't stop people from hating on NS. What we can do is take the example of people like Tanner and Jon, who actively post on NS, especially when an issue of hate against them comes up. We need the industry and the pros more involved in the forums.

Next time you see a hate thread, send it to the person who it targets, that way they can actually have a say and can explain their side of the story.



Oct 22 2008 3:40AM
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Ryanvdonk
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no way, boone sucks cause jon has hotter girls on his skis.
Oct 22 2008 3:47AM
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jouha
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Yeah hatin needs to stop!! Peace and love!!
Oct 22 2008 3:50AM
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J.D.
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I have said it before and I will say it again: the best way to combat hate on newschoolers is to post on newschoolers and behave like a normal human being (or in Tanner's case, someone who loves skiing way more than any human being normal or otherwise). Whining about how people don't like you or what you're pushing, or hating in return will compound the problem. Peoples' egos often get in the way of their recognition of the fact that people are going to have opinions and they're often going to be negative ones, and that's something you need to be comfortable with. Not just pretend to be comfortable with. Otherwise it's just going to drive you insane. It's really hard to shit talk someone to their face (or in their internet presence) while they're being calm and reasonable.
Oct 22 2008 3:50AM
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Tross
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The once-rampant name calling for like 30 consecutive posts is at an all-time low though.
So even though there is more 'hate,' at least people are making a much more conscious effort to sound a little more intelligent. The Boone thread actually sounded like a heated conversation and fewer people calling eachother names - although I didn't get to see the deleted posts.
Oct 22 2008 4:19AM
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crazyfuck
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whatever. fuck Boone and fuck Dumont (Boone for being gay, Dumont for being sexier than me... it's a jealousy thing).

people will handle it however they choose to handle it. in some people's opinions, no press is bad press. perhaps Dumont is of that opinion and would rather have half of NS paying attention to every little thing he does- being one of the most popular names in skiing must be worth quite a bit. if the Boone guys want to get on here and defend their totally unoriginal garbage, that's their deal.

i agree it would be cool to see more input from pros, but i don't think they should feel obligated to get on NS to defend themselves against a bunch of kids over something that probably isn't a big deal to them.
Oct 22 2008 4:33AM
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Skibumsmith
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wait, Jon uses NS?

Oct 22 2008 5:07AM
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sick-as-aids
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word?
Oct 22 2008 5:27AM
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skodeo7
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This has only happened EVERY SINGLE summer and fall of Newschoolers.com existence ever.
Oct 22 2008 8:48AM
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dave...
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so true, i don't wanna sound like the saviour saying i came up with a solution to the problem, but i think that pros like simon should be posting on NS, not acting like mysterious celebrities

but in a sense controversy is important for the sites survival, without it, there isn't much to talk about

Oct 22 2008 9:25AM
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Twinjibber77
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Sorry i lost my pie chart.

but has anyone noticed at least a 98% drop in T-Hall hate threads.

He has addressed everyone on this site multiple times, look how much everyone shuts up when they have to face one of tha best skiiers in tha world in a thread.

End Hate '08, Bishop for President.

Oct 22 2008 9:32AM
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SteezyMcDizzle
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i think some people like privacy...
Oct 22 2008 9:46AM
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Twinjibber77
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Every Pro has an Alias and they come on here and talk shit about themselves just to watch.

only since tha conception of orange names have they come out in tha open.

Oct 22 2008 9:53AM
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SkierX
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Site Discussion!!!!







Sorry, had to.
Oct 22 2008 10:28AM
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dave...
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agreed, i just wanted it in here for a bit for people to see
Oct 22 2008 10:30AM
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SteezyMcDizzle
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Could you explain in a very detailed way why you hate him so much?
I actually really want to hear this, because I think I should hate him too but need more justification for it.
Oct 22 2008 10:31AM
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SkierX
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I don't think it would change anything. Every fall people hate. Even more so than usual (which is incredibly hard to believe).
Oct 22 2008 10:33AM
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dave...
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ahahahaha
Oct 22 2008 10:38AM
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Malcolm
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haha thats hilarious

Oct 22 2008 10:40AM
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Twinjibber77
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I second that.
Oct 22 2008 1:15PM
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anxju
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Oct 22 2008 2:26PM
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k-rob
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if i was simon, i'd let that thread go on until it dies, then suddenly post in it and tell everyone i got wasted one night and some other drunk dude tattooed "arbcia" on my arm, and i haven't had time to get it removed yet because i've been so busy slaying everything in sight.

the boone thread changed, it's actually become more-or-less civilised now.
Oct 22 2008 2:55PM
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coolhandluke
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it got censored. 
Oct 22 2008 2:58PM
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k-rob
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yea i know, i was one of the kids who got deleted. to clarify for anyone who missed it, Boone said that other ski companies come on NS with aliases and put down his company. He claimed VTsuger was working for another company and that he was trying to put down Boone to somehow force Boone of the market. Most of us didn't react to well to that kind of statement, including myself, and eventually that post and all of the posts in response to it were deleted.
Oct 22 2008 3:03PM
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SirFryanator
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yeah, not really a good call on his part...

I've been a pretty active advocate for boone, but stuff like this does need to stop, in terms of both shameless self-promotion on his part and the ignorance that some NSers show toward the company. I think it will once people ride them more this season...at least, I hope so. It's not really needed.

As for dumont, I've only heard bad things about him from kids that I know that have competed against him, and after hearing his speech in Yeah Dude, I'm not really a fan. He is a ridiculously good skier though, nobody can really deny it even if they don't like the personality.
Oct 22 2008 4:55PM
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DaveM
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I dont really see Ns without the hate threads weither you like it or not. Althoguht i have seen most pro posting in threads recently.
Oct 22 2008 5:56PM
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Twinjibber77
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that it did, hostile environment fo sho.
Oct 22 2008 9:24PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Things just got out of hand.   It happens when you're on the internet... you see it everywhere, someone pissis you off, and you can't help but post something nasty because you're so mad. 

I think that Erik was gettting pounded on pretty hard, snapped, said some shit, people got mad - went bananas - and hate was just flying around. 

I deleted the thread (and KNOW that I have had my own posts deleted by other moderators) because it was just shit flying around.    Fuck it... I think its great when someone just cleans up a conversation and says "FUck this, lets get back to the proper issue."   Its the only way to keep a decent forum.

Newschoolers.com gets almost 1,500 new threads per WEEK.   We're talking about enough shit on here, and deleting a few posts is probably the best for all of us.


Oct 22 2008 11:11PM
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k-rob
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fair enough. personally though, i saw what he posted and i'm not going to forget it just because it was deleted. he hasn't retracted it himself for those of us who did see it, and so i'm still going to hold it against him, without holding anything against his company.
Oct 22 2008 11:28PM
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Mr.Bishop
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THe single best part about Newschoolers.com is that the CUSTOMER has feedback.  Never before in media has the end customer - the guy who pays full RETAIL - had a chance to tell the world just what was pissing them off about the industry.   I mean think about it... you guys are the people buying the products, and before all the magazines, movies and pros told you what was cool.    Now, we've got to develop a relationship with the end customer (and NS is no different) where we listen to their feedback.   Sometimes we get pissed about it, 'cause shit you have no idea how much it sucks to be hated on in the forums when you've basically put your whole live behind something...     as industry people are only human as well.  

With power comes responsibility, and on NS it is great when we all develop open lines of communication on topics, and yes sometimes disagreee, but in general try to remember that this is a sport we all love. 

As for Dumont... fuck it guys he's an alright dude.   Seriously, don't EVER judge someone until you've met them. 

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Just partyin' at IF3 2007.   Trust me, Dumont 'aint a bad guy, and neither are any of the other pros out there.   Everyone is just like you, just some of them are exceptional at skiing.   People have good days, bad days, people who love them, people who hate them... and the internet mashes all those feelings together. 

Best advice is don't judge someone until you meet them in person.   Its old-school these days, but face-to-face is the only way to truly judge a person and be able to say you know what they're all about.

 
Oct 22 2008 11:41PM
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Tinga
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ummmm you met him once and you didnt say anything? i was standing in between you and dumont and the only words uttered were

"hey there buddy" me
"hey, hows the speed for this jump?" dumont
"just go from here" me
"thanks" dumont
Oct 23 2008 12:59AM
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skihood
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Ignore the hate, it's the internet. Most these kids wouldn't hate like this in person.
Oct 23 2008 11:49AM
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Twinjibber77
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Nasty stories are???
Oct 23 2008 11:51AM
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Ryanvdonk
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i've met dumont in person, he was a douche bag. you can have your opinion, i have mine, but who makes fun of a kid for skiing with no poles for 4 hours straight? seriously, i broke my pole so decided to ski with none, and he made a point to yell at me from the lift or jump whenever he saw me, but never directly to my face. that's not how you treat people, and falls in the category of douche-bagery. his little speech in yeah dude doesn't help either.
Oct 23 2008 1:50PM
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Twinjibber77
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This is where we call in Dumont himself to this thread.

Where he at?

Oct 23 2008 1:59PM
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k-rob
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what a dick move. he must feed off of hate to go around saying things like that. i didn't have an opinion on Dumont until i read that, because i'd never met him, but now, well, i don't have a lot of respect left for him. he should just shut the fuck up and ski. it sickens me to hear about pros acting this way, as if being sponsored automatically gives them the right to be an asshole to everyone else.
Oct 23 2008 2:08PM
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Ryanvdonk
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it's funny, cause i DO ski with poles, unless one breaks or i hurt my thumb or something.

also, in push/pull there are a few shots of dumont sans poles.
Oct 23 2008 2:08PM
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Twinjibber77
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hypocrite??????
Oct 23 2008 2:17PM
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Twinjibber77
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What was his speech in "yeah dude" about??

i haven't seen that movie.

Oct 23 2008 2:20PM
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Caveman.
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I dont remember him having a speech in yeah Dude
Oct 23 2008 5:20PM
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telewookie420
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what about that kid that defends Simon non stop.. GP is his name...what's the deal w/him?

Oct 23 2008 6:57PM
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skiEER
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i love how a thread against hate it filled with hate
Oct 24 2008 8:52PM
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RudyGarmisch
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You... you touched... him.

...

Can I touch you?

Pls?
Oct 24 2008 9:53PM
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Oct 24 2008 10:37PM
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Rogge
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photo of Dumont and Bishop taken by Mike Rogge.




I've hung out with Simon both professional and casually. Met him at Killington when we were both 15 and skiing. Ran into him at premieres. Hell, I spent 5 days with the guy, his friends, and family in Maine for the World Record shoot. I'm not saying this makes me an expert on the guy but in all of my numerous encounters I've learned that, like Doug stated earlier, he's a normal guy. And that's coming from a guy who's had Dumont DENY him an interview after I'd written nothing but good things about him in the past.

Did I take it to heart, start talking shit, or flame on him on NS?

No.

We all have good days and bad days and I know for SURE there are kids out there that hate on me for being a 'dick' to them. I'm sorry but I don't spend every waking hour of my life making sure everything I do in the real world doesn't reflect negatively about my reputation on the Internet.

People that have met me in real life and I'm not talking, "Hey I saw him on the chairlift with his friends," I'm saying had a conservation with me, hopefully know I'm not a douche.

Dumont is no different.
Oct 26 2008 8:44PM
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Rogge
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*conversation
Oct 26 2008 8:46PM
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J.D.
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That Fucking Mike Rogge guy was such a DICK to me. I met him at IF3 and had a conversation with him, and wow, guy's a douche. Simon is an okay dude, but Rogge, that's another story.

Actually I have basically no first-hand experience with Simon, but from people who know him well I gather that he has both good and bad attributes, much like the rest of us. Which has to be a big surprise... a pro skier? Human? Nuh uh, I don't believe. The hate is way overblown. But I can't help but notice that NS is sort of a living entity in this sense; like just about anyone with an ego, this site doesn't show respect to those that don't respect it, and vice versa. So if you're on here showing love, you seem to get it in return.
Oct 27 2008 3:05AM
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