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What exactly does mounting "duck footed" accomplish?

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adam.
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werd
Aug 4 2008 11:32PM
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treesmann
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uhh, is there such thing for skiing??
Aug 4 2008 11:35PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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I'd probably mount Pontoons duck footed if any ski at all

Aug 4 2008 11:35PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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haha

FUPA outewear?  hmmmm....yeah
Aug 4 2008 11:40PM
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sirskizalot
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pretty sure that its when you have the bindings closer to the tip than the tail, past true center
Aug 4 2008 11:44PM
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uni-corn
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Wrong.

Here is an example:

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Aug 4 2008 11:53PM
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carbon.pulse
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Um isnt that just forward mounting?

Isnt mounting duck footed having the bindings in kinda a v shape from center to correspond with the natural way we would have our feet, pointing slightly outward?

Might not be right but I think I read somewhere about it.
Aug 4 2008 11:55PM
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Obsessedwski
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apparently it feels more natural and comfortable
like when I'm sitting on the chair my skis tend to form a slight "v", because thats just how your foot is built, but mounting duck -footed eliminates that
Aug 4 2008 11:55PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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Im sorry.
I just think that that is just a load of shit. Try landing ANYTHING and not ripping your legs apart.
Aug 4 2008 11:59PM
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carbon.pulse
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You skiis will just be the same. They wont be ripped apart.

How about YOU try landing anything with the duck footed mount, im sure you will be just fine. Its not like your landing with your skiis at 45 degrees.
Aug 5 2008 12:02AM
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Obsessedwski
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I forgot to add the question mark at the end but I don't think its mounted that strangely
and you could argue that its only for pow pow
Aug 5 2008 12:03AM
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uni-corn
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Well it isn't meant for park skiing
Aug 5 2008 12:26AM
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Silence
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It is for deep pow only. I think there are some reviews of the stance on TGR..you wouldn't do it unless you were very competent with conventional technique/stance though
Aug 5 2008 12:34AM
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sirskizalot
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ya, that makes more sense
i dont know where i got my idea
Aug 5 2008 1:09AM
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Jmanski
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ya its seems wierd but ive heard if your feet are more confortable in that possition than it can help
Aug 5 2008 1:54AM
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cobra_commander
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if anything it would make your skis go togeather not rip your legs apart smart ass. and Fisher boots are set up so your feet point outward like thats too by the way.
Aug 5 2008 2:21AM
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RtC.
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That's my image up there and are my skis...

It greatly relieves pressure on your knees as most people stand slightly ducked, i have had so many knee problems in the past but since mounting my ANTs like this i have had little to no trouble at all.
It seems crazy but it works absolutely amazingly.
The point about the chairlift V is correct, with these skis my skis remain parallel the entire time.
And obviously the ski doesn't want to pizza as the angles are minimal and a ski is designed to go straight.

Stomping things felt so much nicer to e, there was less twist on my knees and it feels so good. If anyone's in the Breck area next season and has a 325 bootshell or there abouts you can try ut the ANTs or my Bibbys which will also be mounted Duck.

Only for pow by the way.
Peace
Aug 5 2008 2:49AM
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BcPowderHunter
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??? dont think so . if your toes are pointed outwards there is going to be way more chance of ripping your legs apart. i can't see how you've come up with the conclusion that it would bring your legs together if anything.

and in my opinion if you know how to ski properly there is no way duck mounting can help you. how do you get onto your inside edge properly.
Aug 5 2008 3:00AM
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LC.
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Aparently it has advantages. Some world cup racers have their boots built like that and it's on some consumer models too.

But I'm not into the idea. If you fuck up an edge you can't choose what side/foot that ski goes on and it COULD stress the core weirdly.
Aug 5 2008 5:51AM
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PacificRimJob
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I dont see any advantage to it unless you're totally knock knee'd and your feet are all wrong.

Sure, on the chairlift.. it feels all fine because the skis are straight..

but what about when you're going stright downhill... knees bent and all..

I dont know about you, but when i'm in that position, my feet point naturally straight.. or very close to it.

Aug 5 2008 7:20AM
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cobra_commander
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no, more chance on your legs getting closer. imagine your duck mounted but you position your feet so they point straight forward. your skis are going to be in a pizza not a V. Landing switch, would be different.  but Jesus never skied switch.
Aug 5 2008 8:06AM
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Luc.
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thats cause jesus was lame.

but in all seriousness is there any truth to mckonkey starting this little trend? or was he just one that made it a little bit more popular?
Aug 5 2008 9:19AM
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yeahitsdave
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most companies try to do this to some degree, with either an offset or an angling. fishers soma-tec is the trademarked version of that, where the heel and toe pieces of the boot are actually angled. more companies would do it if they were able to license out the design from fisher.
Aug 5 2008 5:48PM
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LC.
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Some Technica had it first. Them and Fischer are the only consumer models with it.
Aug 5 2008 5:56PM
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JamesR
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That would screw me up horribly. my feet turn in. while sitting on the lift my skis form an upside down v. But i can definitly see how it  would work for others.
Aug 5 2008 5:57PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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Thats boots though... mounting your skis that way is bananananas.
Aug 5 2008 6:46PM
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MadSteezin
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too bad that idea for line bindings is now integrated into the Marker Duke and w/e the other one is called.

Aug 5 2008 7:07PM
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Telscopic
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seems like a good idea how did anybody come up with that?
Aug 5 2008 9:01PM
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phishfood
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sounds like it'd make for some pretty good chairlift conversation
Aug 5 2008 9:19PM
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huge-go
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What are you talking about?
Aug 5 2008 10:05PM
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MEGAZORD
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The sideways spring in the toe.  They are branding some of the new jesters as actual line bindings now.
Aug 6 2008 12:54AM
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cobra_commander
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to bad thats not true, and there is actually no reactor tech in the jesters or dukes.
Aug 6 2008 2:11AM
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BcPowderHunter
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yeah i can see what u mean, i was drunk as fuck and oviously didn't give it enough thought, my bad.

but for me it would just be just be way to wierd and i still think you wouldn't be able to get proper technique

Aug 6 2008 4:26AM
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frenchsteeze
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doesn't shane mcconkey or seth morrison use it?
Aug 6 2008 6:32AM
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Pipe_Munky
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nope. the sideways front spring has been used in touring bindings for years. the line reactor was just a bad idea all around.

as for only fischer and technica boots being off centre, nordica and a couple others are doing it as well. mounting your bindings like that probably isn't the best idea. the most extreme case for the boots is 9 degrees for the fishers and only 3 degrees for the nordica. there's a reason this idea is primarily on world cup race boots and not on average joe's retail boots.





Aug 6 2008 9:28AM
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80*s4eva
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I don't speak from experience but it seems to me like it would fuck up your turn... it looks like your uphill ski would grab instantly initiating the turn really quickly and your downhill ski would be sluggish in the beginning of the turn.  Sorta seems like it might affect the turning radius of the skis too.  I would be really interested to try out a pr mounted like that though.
Aug 6 2008 1:10PM
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RtC.
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it's for pow man, on piste it takes a little getting used to but i can ski those ANTs all day on piste and be fine with it.
If you get a chance it is well worth it.

To all the people that believe it'll tear your feet in different directions or pull them together, you have no idea, there is no fight at all is is so easy. THE ONLY THING IT DES IS RELIEVE PRESSURE ON YOUR KNEES.
Landing switch is exactly the same as regular mount, as is skiing switch, I have no harder time skiing like this than i do on my standard pow ski but have much less knee trouble.
My ANTs up there are set at a 5.4degree angle which is specific to my foot stance when haning/standing/landing.

You know when you land switch and sometimes you take it real heavy and your skis spread at the tips and close together at the tails, this is because it is the easiest way for the pressure to leave your body at those angles in your knees. It's like that really...

Don't hate until you have tried it. If you have knee problems it could be a solution.
Aug 6 2008 1:37PM
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TZA.
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sounds like it would be hard to jib with
Aug 6 2008 6:14PM
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meltonsnow
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when i'm standing in a casual upright position it is totally natural for me to duck my feet out a little bit, but the more i get into an athletic stance(the more i bend my knees) the more parallel i want my feet to be.  it just seems really awkward and uncomfortable for me to bend my knees while in a ducked stance.  maybe thats just me.  it also seems like it puts a lot of stress on the insides of my knees. 

Aug 6 2008 7:18PM
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Jmanski
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dont mean to change topic, but does anyone know if any stores on the east coast demo duckfooted skis, i really want to try it for a day and see what i think
Aug 7 2008 12:20AM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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the idea was good.  The construction, design, and sheer weight of the damn thing was bad. 
Line should give me a $250 credit towards Line skis for buying those, yeah, I did buy them.
who ever said there is reactor tech in dukes and jesters should just shut up.
Aug 7 2008 12:23AM
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PacificRimJob
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They did give you credit for them if you returned them..

They had a full on recall for the bindings..
Aug 7 2008 11:31AM
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MrYeates
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well obviously u dont know
are ur skis mounted like that?
no
so dont come in saying that u know what your talking about
the guy whos skis are mounted like that would no not you
Aug 8 2008 4:19PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I want my beater pair of skis back so I can try this for a day.
Aug 8 2008 4:22PM
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jedi.Jim
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roflmao
Aug 8 2008 4:25PM
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adam.
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hahaha
Aug 17 2008 12:40AM
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Codfish.
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is there opposite duck-footedness for people who are pigeon toed?
Aug 17 2008 1:52AM
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Capurnicus
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oh my goodness, i really don't think that would be a good thing to do to the skis if you want to do the skiing on them later on!
Aug 17 2008 1:58AM
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SHastatahoe
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I think it would be a good idea.  I wakeboard a lot, and snowboard sometimes, and I ride both fairly duckfooted (almost as duckfooted as bindings allow).  I can see how this would be helpful.  It is a difficult thing to suggest though, because someone might not be competant enough to enjoy it.   But when you think about it, you should be able to point your toes together much easier than point them away.   and pointinng them away from each other has never recieved much sucess.
Aug 17 2008 3:08AM
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RtC.
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huh?
Aug 17 2008 4:47AM
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joggl
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that stance would fuck my meniscs up...
actually my meniscs are fucked up, but this would kill em...

will fit for a cowboy bahahaa

Aug 17 2008 5:51AM
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