Realization on 4FRNT MSPs...

i dont have any problem carving with my scratches in the slopes manus, and if you want to be a hardcore carver its just to buy a race carver, and i think most of the newschoolers out in the world like high speed, stability when jumping and landing, rails, and that they float good on pow not to carve the pist in pieces




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d(o_0)b

true, and an 80mm (I think the scratches were/are about 80mm) waist is in the range of mid-fat, not a fat ski and not a hinderance from edge to edge, I was just stating a fact that a wider ski (in the waist) has a slower edge to edge transition. The reason that I don't see all twin-tips going 90+ in the waist is because twin-tips are not an exclusive ski. A lot of racers have their race skis and and another pair of cruising skis (that might be race oriented as well). However, more people (on the general consumer market) with twin-tips do not have twin-tips for park and pipe only and another pair for all mountain. I see most twin-tips as a more focused all mountain skis (they are more focused park and pipe).

Another way to look at it might be from the perspective of race-stock skis. I could see 90+ waist twins being the park/pipe equivalent of race-stock skis, but for the general public, a 90+ waist is not really always needed (at least on the East Coast).

uhm sorry i didnt mention that my scratches are the BC :o but i still dont have any problem carving with them in the pist




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'then realize that a 92mm waisted wood core 180cm ski is a whoooole lotta ski for the park.'

Its already been discussed 92mm is wide (witch is great stability for park) and the wood core is good for hand rails and not at all heavy. I got my 170's and they are 87mm wide and the ski is superlight, almost as light as my maverick 160's i rode last year witch is a big surprise! :)





- MaTt

mind.over.matters.what.matters.

overall, how do they ski
I LOVE KB

well read the 34739874 posts on 4frnts. Im not sure how many people have rode them, but look around people will attest to what they felt, etc.


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BC Fusion - Skier Tested, Mother Approved

CKG Member #5

No one has ridden them except for people that work the for company (I think) and the team. But read the specs. 2 year warranty, p tex sidewalls, best core out there!!! How could you refuse??
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BC Fusion - Skier Tested, Mother Approved

I saw the 180cm in a shop, and I think they are the lightest skis that i ever saw. Really width and light. And they look like a well constructed ski, sidewall - edges and topsheet looks better than on armada.

Seriously widness and lightness is what every other company is now gonna try to go for. Its just the perfect combo. Widness for all mountain, or great stability on jumps and rails, and Lightness for easy rotations. nigga.





- MaTt

mind.over.matters.what.matters.

finding light wood that is stable is tough. wood cores become thinner and less weak. its all about balance and finding the one for you. there are some wood core skiis that flex too much and shit like that. and remember light = foam for a while. be careful what you wish for
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