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Difference between PX bindings and PX race bindings.

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cobra_commander
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Look/Dynastar now have two versions of the PX binding out, they are the PX series and the PX race series. There are a few differences between the two binding systems.
The PX sereis includes the: PX 10 (junior) PX 12, PX 14, and PX jib.

The PX racing series includes the: PX race 12, PX race 14, PX 15 and PX 18.

You all know what the PX series are like (good for most but not great) The PX race series differs from these in a few places.
No Lifters: The PX race series do not come with any lifters of any type (shock absorption or traditional)
Fixed front AFD: on the regular PX bindings the front AFD slides, It is fixed on the PX race bindings.
No vertical Release (PX 15 and PX 18 only): the PX 15 and 18 toe piece is the same as the p-15 and p-18 toe piece.
Shorter Heel track: All of the PX race series have a shorter heel track then the regular PX series.
Worm Screw heel adjustment: When the switch to the origional PX bindings was made the forward adjustment system was switched to a lever style. The wormscrew style has been brought back int he PX racing series. (this is a good thing)


What these means to you (what bindings should I buy): In short if you are a more agresive skier or bigger  switch to the PX race bindings. The Worm Screw is much more solid then the lever system, especialy for SW landings. The fixed AFD will also provide more retention then the sliding AFD. Not as safe but more performance. The Shorter heel track will allow the ski to flex more along its natural flex instead of against the binding.  I won't tell you which din binding to get since that is an individual thing and up to you (be smart), and you should figure out if you want Vertical Release or not (are you a pussy?)

oh and there are some sweet deals on PX 12 racing and ok deals on PX 15s at sierrasnowboard.com along with some nice pics
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Scott~
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Good post billy, I give you ++karma... now you have 2 extra karma points that dont show up since I already gave you 10... but trust me theyre there~
Also I have PX Jibs so pretty much this post just made me feel worse about my bindings 8/~
17 years ago
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=nick=
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didnt even know they made a px12 race, pretty sick though...does it have the worm screw heel as well? only thing that sucks is the brakes on PXrace and standard PX are different so finding the right brake for PXrace's is annoying. honestly, pivots ftw.
17 years ago
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ESAND
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by the way px 15/18 have a vertical toe release. Just like the p15/p18
17 years ago
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uni-corn
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No. They dont.

Unless EVERY pair i have seen ever have been defects.
17 years ago
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yeahitsdave
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the new scratch bindings are set up similar to the race series. shorter heel track/worm screw/fixed afd. i dont know the rest of it, but id imagine its just a freeride version of the race binding.

either way, thanks for explain, good post
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ESAND
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Pedestal toes?
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chazz.
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ha! WRONG.
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ESAND
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Prove me wrong.

Seen it with my own two eyes.
17 years ago
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yeahitsdave
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i have a pair, no vertical release
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ESAND
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I have 2 pairs. Vertical release
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huge-go
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They're both either faulty, or you have fks 120s.
17 years ago
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ESAND
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I don't understand why everyone seems so damn certain that these binding can't release upwards.

PX18 and ZR18s

The toe piece tips forward to allow an upward release. I've seen it happen in a controlled environment.  I doubt you'll be able to release a boot with just your hands but go out to your skis and PUSH down on the front of the toe piece you will notice it moves to allow the boot to come out.
17 years ago
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chazz.
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dude. are you serious?

does your toepiece look like this? if yes, then you have vertical toe release. if no, keep reading.

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does your toepiece look like this? if yes, then they do not release vertically.

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.Brink.
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these are my px18s and you can kind of see in this pic that there is NO vertical toe release

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.Brink.
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the toe is one solid piece
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cobra_commander
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yea PX 12 race have worm screw heel. all px race have the worm screw.
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ESAND
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I'm really not trying to start a fight. I have seen the toe release a boot. I'm not making shit up and I'm not lying. Why the fuck would I.

Here is a shitty ass vid I took with my camera phone. Its hard to tell but in the beginning you can really see the toe piece move


The toe piece will actually dip down far enough to allow an upwards release.
17 years ago
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huge-go
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They're certain because they're race stock bindings.  The binding is built for maximum retention, and upward release, to my knowledge, is excluded in ALL high end/high din race bindings.
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ESAND
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That is a fairly weak argument for CERTAINTY.
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.Brink.
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ill have some of whatever ur smoking dude, shit seems good....
17 years ago
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ESAND
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It is trust me. But i've seen upward release with these bindings. I know its true because i've seen as opposed to all you guys who say it's not true just cause..
17 years ago
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uni-corn
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While looking through ESAND's profile, i found this:
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Now things are starting to make sense
17 years ago
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huge-go
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https://newschoolers.com/web/content/reviews/action/read/id/451/

This fellow injured himself due to the lack of vertical toe release.
17 years ago
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uni-corn
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These say different
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lyndon
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That isnt vertical release.
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chazz.
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word

17 years ago
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hollygrove
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The PX race series still sucks.
Sure the toe piece is better, but that doesn't make the heel actually hold you into your bindings.
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ESAND
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No? obviously that shit video wasn't any kind of release but if the toe moves so that the boot can come up out how is that not vertical release?
17 years ago
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huge-go
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I believe the tow piece would have to move up, not down, to facilitate vertical release.
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uni-corn
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Probably just some travel
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ESAND
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even if it releases the boot?

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*kiwiNZ*
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Yeah.

I might be wrong but i haven't seen anywhere that you have actually proven that they do release vertically.
17 years ago
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ESAND
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why do I need to prove anything? I have little interest in this. I saw someone post something that wasn't true. And people, some of whom don't even own the concerned bindings, jumped up like I was attacking them personally. Lets see someone prove to me that they don't release vertically. I've seen an upwards release, that proves, to me at least, that it does exist. The fact that you haven't seen an upwards release DOES NOT PROVE that it can't happen.
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hollygrove
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What the shit are you talking about? Look/Rossi advertise that the PX 12's have vertical release, and that the race stock toe piece has horizontal release. I'm amazed that you've actually tried to argue otherwise.
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*kiwiNZ*
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You need to prove that it does release vertically because the person who started this thread stated that it didn't and everyone else apart from you has said the same thing. Therefore it is up to you to prove that it doesn't release vertically, other people have shown that they don't release vertically have you not bothered to read the rest of this thread? And why do that have to prove it in the first place what makes you so right, just because you say that they do doesn't mean they actually do. Thats the weakest argument ever! everyone else has shown that they dont and your reply is simply that because you have seen it that you must be right.
And it doesn't matter if you have seen them vertically release or not, thats not the point! they are not designed to vertically release.

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ESAND
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I tried because it's the truth. Show me where rossi advertises that.
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*kiwiNZ*
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Yeah says you! prove it!
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eheath
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Do you even know what fucking upwards release means and intails? The binding have to have a hinge that allow for your boot to pop out when landing backseat or in any other motion of the toe of the boot moving UP. Race stock bindings do not have this hinge, like the PX series and the new rossi scratch or whatever they are call have. You can see a DEFINED difference in the toe pieces. The race stock is solid and the regular ones have like seems where the binding moves. Obviously you can't move it with your hand but it moves under great pressure.

regular px this picture shows it good because the seperation is where the color is, see? That is how you know a binding has upward release
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race binding.See how it is solid and has no crack/seem? its just solid, meaning it has no upward release. You binding moving a mm or two is not going to release your boot.
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eheath
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Oh an on the thread topic, i hattee px heel pieces, all i saw of them in look and rossi this year was complete shit.
17 years ago
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huge-go
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What's wrong with them?
17 years ago
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Silence
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p12 Upwards release this way (note the 2 piece toe, v 1 piece in the 15's and 18's):
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No possible upwards release on the p18 (Same with p15, px15 px18, fks155 (except with the geeze toe), fks185 whatever..same style toe):
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It is not possible for the 15 or 18 to have upwards release.
17 years ago
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cobra_commander
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the race ones are pretty good, the worm screw does actually do quite a bit.
17 years ago
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MEGAZORD
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If you can pull your boot out on a fks toe, you need to adjust your forward pressure. 
17 years ago
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cobra_commander
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Stright from the Dynastar/Look/Lange Rep:

The Look race toes do not have upward release designed into them whatsoever, end of story!
 
That said, it is possible in all boots to release vertically (or as one might describe it “upward”) in a backward or backward twisting fall. Note I did not say binding releases, I said boot releases! This is possible because the heel can move backward against the forward pressure spring and essentially clear the boot from the toe of the binding.
 
Again!
 
No Look Race Toes have upward release!
Yes it is possible for the boot to “release” upward out of the toe if the FWD Pressure spring is compressed enough. But the boot releases upward not the binding.



So yea. no vertical release in the bindings.
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eheath
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I saw people with the rossi "free" binding which is the race one, just have horrible forward pressure problems all year. Non pivot heals = shit.
17 years ago
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cobra_commander
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mount them corectly? I have not had any problems with my PX 15s all year
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chazz.
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