How many of you get denied for scolarships because you come from a white middle-class family

hahahaha wow that's quite the argument you've got there. i'm really said you already had me at negative karma and think i'm gay. that insult really hurt man. go back to 7th grade man.

thanks ax, i'll check that out sometime. seems interesting.

fat chance. i dont really expect you to, it'd be bitch to get a hold of, but he really just stomps on any and all explanations at the benefits and morality of affirmative action, lays out a nice argument and just says balls in your court affirmative action supporters lets hear some explanations

any idea where to look for it at? cause i actually am pretty interested.

just keep your mouth shut. your prolly just some liberal who supports affirmative action just so as not to make minorities angry.

i cant believe your still taking shit for that thread...

personally i don't mind too much. there's a story behind that whole thread so i can care less, and i sent him a pm so it doesn't really matter much.

yea presume that i'm a liberal who supports afirmative action. Honestly, politically im very moderate, socially a little more liberal but this issue is something i have discussed a lot. I wrote a term paper on afirmative action this semester, and you're right it is not perfect, but a buch of rich white kids in an internet forum bitching about how they got "screwed out of a scholarship" is the height of arrogance when discussing the policy. the problem is one that stems from socioeconomic differences, not race. We are becoming naturally segregated based on economic stats that results from social norms (ie not valuing education, needing to work as early as possible to support the family, ect) . It is a downward spiral and afirm action exists with the intention of helping people get a foothold to climb out of that hole. The policy is not perfect, but it is something that will improve generationally, and right now it is in its infancy.

my parents somehow "worked the system" they are divorced and my dad makes 150K a year and my mom makes about 8-15K a year, but since my mom technically has custody of me and because of her income, i got a grant that covers pretty much all of my college and housing.... im just kinda confused about the difference b/t a grant and a scolarship...

touche. apologies.

but i am in no way part of the bitching kids. i dont support affirmative action, but i realize something must happen and my reasons of not supporting are not 'unfair' and 'screwed out of a scholarship.

whats your point. your the opposite of a bunch of rich kids bitching about it, you have it and dont appreciate it all (if your being sarcastic)

this is totally different though.. its not affirmative action. you wouldve gotten that scholarship if you were white.

haha that sucks bro but i feel you i have been denied 5 so fuck the system

what sucks is even though my parents aren't paying anything, and I file my taxes independently, neither of them claiming me as a dependent any longer, I still have to use their income when filing for FAFSA, its really not fair, but I guess life isn't so fuck it

i think everyone is taking too extreme of positions with this issue.  Affirmative action and the way which scholarships are given are not perfect, but they are also beneficial in many instances.  I can think of many instances where people who deserved scholarships didn't get them and people who didn't did.  This goes for people of all races and income levels. 

A perfect example is of a guy in my dorms my freshman year.  He grew up one of the worst cities in the entire country, tried really hard, was black, and came from a family with little to no income.  Because of his situation, he was able to secure a full scholarship to a very reputable university and was given a great opportunity.  If not for this grant and scholarship he would not have been able to afford school and without affirmative action he most likely wouldn't have gotten in due to poor education and low grades during high school.  Thats the positive side of things. 

Now, once school started, he couldn't cut it.  He was motivated, but just wasn't smart enough to make it.  It was really sad, but it is hard not to realize that someone who had better grades in high school and was smart enough to make it at the higher level probably missed out because of the special treatment he received.  Thats the bad part.

I know this is a unique example, but I think it shows how the current system can be great and negative at the same time.  I agree with all the people telling people to stop complaining, especially if they were on the line of deserving anything.  I also think Drew needs to stop relying on his experience of receiving scholarships to a small liberal arts college because "he is a genius" and "worked his ass off."  Small liberal arts schools give out more scholarships than your average state school or large university so its not a good representation of the scholarship situation most individuals encounter. 

This is why you should live in Canada and attend a university. Then just live at home.

One full year of tuition and books costs like 6 g's. Which, I get full funding for, so its dope. And it helps when your grandmother is treaty indian... I'm a cheap bastard.

thats why im going to comm college for a year to get good grades then transfer and try to get some money. and i cna live at home for a year to save more cash.

*raises hand

Yeah it sucks on the scholarship level of being in a white middle class family. I've still got most of college paid for but when the FAFSA came back saying my family could afford the pay for all of college. it sucked

good luck i gave you ++karma to help you out..

WHITE POWER

 

I really think the best course of action is what some ivies have started doing... I know Cornell has started this sliding tuition system, where families pay a percentage of their total taxable income to have their kid go to Cornell.  Since Cornell has such a fucking huge endowment, it breaks even in the long run (kids with 30k family incomes pay like 3-5 grand to go to cornell, while families pulling 200k pay about what they normally would).  since 80% of the kids that go to cornell are fucking loaded as it is, this really helps the lower class kids who are qualified, but might not be able to afford it.  it also doesn't distinguish along racial lines, just economic.  granted, there are still other scholarships, grants, and affirmative action programs that help kids who are racially disadvantaged, but i think this system is a step in the right direction

fuck

yea dude i no what u mean its fucked up...i mean woman want equal rights? they can pay for half. plus its way different now then it was before and just cuase ur some random ass race u get accepted into so much more and it should all be based on grades and watnot plus i think colleges and stuff get certain tax refunds or watever from having a certain diversity

haha drew i love you.