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Danger of motox vs skiing

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PeterTosh
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this stupid bitch ive been arguing with thinks skiing is less dangerous than motocross in general.

comparing the gnarliest skiers to the gnarliest motocrossers and the consequenses involved at the highest end of each sport which do you all consider more dangerous.
Apr 14 2008 11:43PM
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nhjibber
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Motocross no doubt speaking from experience it can be down right terrfiying with 39 other people on the track trying to get the same line.
Apr 14 2008 11:48PM
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skituner
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motocross, those fuckers are crazy
Apr 14 2008 11:49PM
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Alex_G
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As much as I love skiing, motox is way more dangerous. the bike can land on you and shit and you can get run over...not cool. I like how skiing is less dangerous than motox. I mean if you are charging fat BC lines and giant cliffs, then yeah it could be just as dangerous but it depends what you are doing. I dont think the park is as dangerous unless the jumps are wayyyyy shitty and easy to overshoot.

Apr 14 2008 11:50PM
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Jamie_Baril
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moto-x

 that shit is gnarly

Apr 14 2008 11:52PM
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ShredtillURdead
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yes its super dangerous and yes its scary and yes it takes skill, but the whole image is super super super super super super gay
Apr 14 2008 11:53PM
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vzdz
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i raced moto for 7 years, when you're heading into the first turn with 40 other riders shit happens. Skiing if you go down you generally don't have to worry about getting landed on or run over by a whole pack coming through. But that's just racing.

I'd argue that skiing park on dangerous icy conditions, urban,  or poorly built jumps can result in a lot of wierd injuries, as say riding a fun sand track all day.
Apr 14 2008 11:54PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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HA!

i guess you just lost.
Apr 15 2008 12:04AM
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SnowMedic
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ya, motocross is way more dangerous than skiing
Apr 15 2008 12:06AM
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alaskakid
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I hate motox- it and snowmachining has turned x-games into a motor show
Apr 15 2008 12:09AM
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Skipig25
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I consider DH biking more dangerous than skiing, and motoX is like biking but with an engine. so yes, I think it is more dangerous
Apr 15 2008 12:11AM
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cj
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seth sending double front off 120+ cliff vs pastrana hitting double backs of 80+ jump
Apr 15 2008 12:15AM
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schwab
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motocross is more dangerous cause we wear bigger helmets ha. but for real. outdoor motocross is the most gnarly sport out there i think. i've even heard travis pastrana say in an interview that the outdoors and supercross are way scarier then freestlye motox, since they practice everything into foam pits and get to have everything calculated and perfect. Anything can go wrong in a race.
Apr 15 2008 12:17AM
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SnowRidgeParks
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i don't really know which is more dangerous, but just to add to the discussion, consider skiing a first descent in AK vs. moto-x... it just sounds like everyone is comparing it to park skiing, think about that one...
Apr 15 2008 12:17AM
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PeterTosh
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we are comparing the most extreme acts done on skis compared to the most extreme in moto

for skiing i think the most dangerous shit is no-fall-zones while ski mountaineering where a fall absolutely means death
i dont know what could compare to that in motocross
i agree that the average skiing is not as dangerous compared to the average moto riding but what sport does the most dangerous shit at the highest level

Apr 15 2008 12:19AM
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rocMALONEYphotos
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moto x doesnt compare to a big mountain line, where you are dropping cliffs, not forgetting about the avalanche danger, your sluff coming down onto you and stomping and skiing out.  basically the overall factor is skiing is more dangerous than moto x
Apr 15 2008 12:30AM
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Jebus1987
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i would say the no fall zone is comparible to knowing u have just taken a bad take off on a moto bike .. .. once your in the air on the bike u know u are pretty much going to die... at least skiing uses a persons physical strignth..



i dont respect moto sports to begin with because they are just way more damgerous.. look at the ski accidents and then look at the moto ones.. thoses moto guys never walk again or die.  skiers die too but more often its a broken thumb or a blown acl .. not  crushed bones and burns and other horible shit



u wanna play sports use ur body not a machine
Apr 15 2008 12:35AM
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rocMALONEYphotos
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you have it mixed up look how many skiiers have died or have been paralyzed from shredding big mountains ive just watched a bunch of videos or motox people falling but getting right back.

Apr 15 2008 12:40AM
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schwab
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idk why you would respect motox less just because we are on a machine and the danger factor is higher. there is always the chance of some kind of mechanical failure that could happen right before you take off a jump or blasting down a steep hill. you have to be aware of riders around you and make decisions on a dime. and just because there is suspension under us doesn't make hitting 95 foot triples and less scary. i've been hurt bad a few times but that dont make me hate that sport. i know people who have been paralyzed that i used to race with. just makes me appreciate it more
Apr 15 2008 12:43AM
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titsLOL
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indeed. DH biking is by far the most terrifying thing I have done. I'd say there is less risk of death in biking, but much greater risk of breaking things.

as for mx vs. skiing I'm gonna have to give mx the win.
Apr 15 2008 12:44AM
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schwab
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dh biking looks gnarly as hell. i've seen clips of it in some motox movies and they get worked when they go down. but i think anyone who has only seen x games or who hasn't ridden a mx bike to a certain extent is kinda just giving a biased opinion. but bottom line, mx and skiing can get super dangerous
Apr 15 2008 12:50AM
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Tmeels
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Speaking as a motocross racer, and park skiier.  MX takes it.  39 other guys to the first turn all trying to holeshot, on 250lb bikes is plain scary.  I've run over, been run over, eaten shit on big jumps, been in ambulances, connected with other riders in the air.  It just doesnt even compare to skiing.  I still see MX as my main thing and skiing secondary.  Bottom line you arent skiing side by side with 30 others trying to get the same line off the jump as you
Apr 15 2008 12:52AM
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Jebus1987
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if i think about it every one i know who is involved in mx or any motor sports eather knows some one who has been serously injured, or they them selves have been serously injured..

out of the skier.. i cant really think of as many who suffered as suver injueis or even suver ones to begin with

Apr 15 2008 12:59AM
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PeterTosh
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you dont hear about ski deaths as much because the skiers who ski at the level where its more dangerous than anything in mx know what there doing and dont fuck up. they arnt as dumb as most bikers and this gives the impression its lss dangerous. 

skiing allows more control and therefore one can get into a realm in which you might really fuck yourself up, like if a sluff took you off a cliff while skiing a line like the devils caslte coulior which has a manditory rappel on all but the most exeptional winters.

that brings us into a whole other aspect where conditions begin to play a part in the danger level. there are like 6 different ways to climb and ski the ford-stettner(grade II wi2-3,mod snow) on the grand teton depending on the snow levels. then you throw avalanches into it and i dont see how mx  even comes into the same realm.

Apr 15 2008 1:22AM
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Jebus1987
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the diffrence is any idiot can get onto a bike, but it into gear and speed towards a jump



on skis you have to know how to ski first. and even then is still kinda tricky ... the guys doing thoese steep lines generally know how to repel down , and what avi conditions look like ..

the dumbass on the bike is only thinking about a couple varibles, where the fact is their are many more..


id say the skier may be in more danger but he knows it going in

the biker just kinda hopes for the best
Apr 15 2008 1:46AM
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Aenigma
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I don't think you can really compare them.  If you're riding motox and fall hard it's pretty much a given you're going to get hurt.  If I'm doing 50mph out of an air to straightline and tomahawk there's a good chance I'll walk away and try it again the next run. 

On the flip side, motox is done on a track without massive exposure.  If you fall you're going to come to a stop pretty quickly.  There's been a few situations skiing where if I fell there was serious potential to go through rocks or off 100+ foot cliffs and have assured death, not to mention the possibility of having an entire mountain rip out and pummel me to the ground underneath hundreds of tons of snow. 

Bottom line, they can both fuck you up pretty bad.  But given the choice, I can definitely ski in a much safer manner than ride a bike with a bunch of other people beside me.  You can die skiing, but it's because you made the choice to put yourself there.
Apr 15 2008 1:57AM
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Shilling
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different sports.
different risks
different mindsets.

danger is an illusion of the mind convincing you that theres a chance you could fail. Danger is only what you let it become.
Apr 15 2008 2:03AM
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Holte
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I feel like the most extreme skiing is more dangerous than the most extreme motox. In the most extreme skiing, if you fall/slip/miss a turn, you die. In the most extreme motox, I think the chances of absolutely dieing are lower.

However, average motox is a waaay sketchier than average skiing.
Apr 15 2008 2:38AM
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skiP.E.I.
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but Seth has a load of powder to land in and Pastrana has hard packed dirt, plus Seth has probably 20-30 lbs of equipment on while Pastrana has like a -well I don't know what MX bikes way- 300 lbs?
Apr 15 2008 7:59AM
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quebecfreestyler
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skiing no fall zone is just as doing freestyle moto x as far as consequences go,  if you dont know what you are doing, or if you fuk up ig time, your prolly gonna  die in both.
For both sports you need to work your way to the bigger stuff progressivly i you dont plan on dying real quick.


keep on thinking that pretty much all the big names in fmx almost killed themselves quite a few times in their career and have a shit load of metal attached to their bones... they are just kinda brainless when it comes to consequences and coming backt to their sport. Some could call it dedication but I'd say it's kinda stupid at a point to come back after breaking yourbody to a point that you will have trouble doing your sportwhen you'll be over 30.
Apr 15 2008 8:25AM
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thejackal1177
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i hate motox they dont need it in winter and summer x
Apr 15 2008 9:11AM
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FreeBallin
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i stopped RACING mx(still like to freeride) and  started skiing alot more because i dont get as beat up doing it.  I have taken my fair share of hits skiing, but none of them compare to a mx crash.  I have had wayyy more injuries and scares while racing i ever have skiing.
Apr 15 2008 9:15AM
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Switch46
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seth can not see or know what is beneath that snow. There could be rocks. Seth didn't try his trick in a foamfit first and travis learned it after the foampit on soft sand. I still would rather do what travis does then what seth does. Seth is one crazy motherfucker
Apr 15 2008 9:58AM
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SnowMedic
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falling into 5 feet of fluffy snow vs. having a 175 lb machine crush you after you hit the compacted dirt.
Apr 15 2008 10:17AM
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Steakhead
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Good thing its not in Winter X.....
Apr 15 2008 10:18AM
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HeathR
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i think he is talking about sleds which are way less entertaining to me.
Apr 15 2008 11:50AM
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PeterTosh
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this response and cedric's are right on. im not saying more skiiers fuck themselves up more, im just saying we put ourselves into that type of situation more often and are more well versed with dealing with it.

that and mx only goes into the third dimention, vertical drop, a little bit if at all.  if an mxer goes 80 feet he will probably be a max of 30 feet off the ground whereas simon has recently gone 35 feet STRAIGHT UP in the air.  mxers dont go straight up like ever.

Apr 15 2008 2:25PM
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iskindiana
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any sport where gasoline or explosive matter is involved is more dangerous.
Apr 15 2008 2:56PM
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Scolson
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Why does it have to be a contest over what sport is more dangerous? 
Apr 15 2008 4:03PM
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PBraunstein
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anyone who is trying to compare dirtbiking to gnarly AK lines have never watched a crustys movie....

motocross is scary but i think the scariest shit has to be freeriders... people like Seth and Degan.. hitting large cliffs and scary ass natural hit lines... go watch a crusty demons of dirt movie and then tell me that skiing big mountain lines are scarier than dirtbike big mountain lines...
Apr 15 2008 4:14PM
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alex.k.
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i hate when people call sports "extreme"  i find it insulting...haha

I much better like the term "ACTION" sports. 

however both moto-x and skiing have their dangers, not really sure why they should be compared. Just tell the bish to put a sock in it! ha
Apr 15 2008 4:16PM
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Skipig25
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overall skiing has a higher DEATH chance, but it is a low percentage, whereas motoX has less of a chance of death, but people get hurt and break bones more often. which is more dangerous is up to you.
Apr 15 2008 5:16PM
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XtRemE11
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haha some moto x guys are such fucking tools.
Apr 15 2008 5:48PM
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SK1ERDUDE
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motocross
but in some situations a wrong move in skiing can get you killed
Apr 15 2008 6:02PM
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Dr.Scholl
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you can land on your head in both
but when you do that in moto theres a 250 pound bike falling ontop of you
Apr 15 2008 7:14PM
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poofartpee
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moto x no doubt
if u dont go to the hospital the day u ride it was a good day
honestley that cant be argued at all
fight that little bitch
Apr 15 2008 7:44PM
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chames
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charging a big mountain line is more dangerous then moto i think, but skiing park and such is def motox
Apr 15 2008 7:54PM
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Jwenz
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depends, i do both, skiing there is sometimes much more control over the risks were as mx you rush to one corner with 40 people right next to you. The whole concept of danger depends on how extreme you take the sport
Apr 15 2008 7:55PM
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