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Frat vs. GDI

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skogenjake
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Please discuss.

In wanting to end some boredem and hopefully ruffle some feathers into some real discussion, please enlighten me on why one would find it fuffilling to have two choices on weekends:

Choice A: GDI house party with the same 2 girls and 5 bucks to gain access to a keg.

Choice B: Beg your friends in a frat for access.

Now I just don't understand why one would not want to just join the greek community. Sure, talk about roofies and all your sterotypes, but you must realize that they exist in the GDI community as well. They are also in fact, for the most part, just sterotypes. A fraternity is a social network. You are never bored. When done with college, you already have all the "in"s you could ever want. There is so much to be experienced that some of you will tragically never go through. All the top shelf girls are in soroities, which you pair with 3 to 4 nights a week. Why bother hitting on the oddballs that either didnt rush or got rejected? Stick with the best.

I just dont know why someone would pick rotting in the dorms with family guy dvds over always having something to do. 4 years of you life can be a semi-fun, but overall waste, or the best time of your life.

I apologize for my argumentative nature, I just want some good discussion.

Feb 17 2008 5:13PM
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twintipteles
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I'm not in college currently, but I know some of the schools I looked at the frats had kinda ridiculous setups. A couple of them had cleaning and cooking services, which isn't exactly the direction I see myself headed in. That type of lifestyle, in addition to the cost, and the fact that I haven't yet met many people that  disprove the frat stereotype makes me biased against them.
Feb 17 2008 5:23PM
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Zook
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I tried rushing and put alot of serious tought into joining a frat this semester. I agree with you that there are tons of advantages, but i didnt. The reasons:

-Frat dues suck. they are necessary and I dont have the money and like many my parents wont pay.
-I go skiing every weekend at least and I just dont have the time to pledge and I spend all my money to go on ski trips, so it doesnt seem worth it to me. I would miss at least half the parties anyways.
-I have friends in frats who can hook me up with their parties.

Maybe I'll try in the fall semester but I doubt it. I have enough fun and stuff to do without a frat. Honestly, if it wasnt for skiing I probably would join. And anyone who says that you pay for friends when joining a frat is just plain stupid. I think that frats are a great thing for certain people and if you look around you can find a frat with people you would be friends with anyways.
Feb 17 2008 5:24PM
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skogenjake
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Yeah I found a really great one with a bunch of guys that (for the most part) have their priorities straight and create a really chill atmosphere. Dues are gay, but when you factor in the food situation (only house on campus with a sit down dinner every night), the cost is pretty close. I feel you on the skiing thing. In Indiana, its pretty hard to do it alot as it is.
Feb 17 2008 5:28PM
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skogenjake
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ΣΧ by the way.
Feb 17 2008 5:29PM
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twintipteles
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So give me a little more info on dues and the sit down dinners. Is the food prepared for you, or just some rotating cooking schedule. Is that the only food you get out of your dues, the rest just goes to drinks/rent?
What's an approximate amount you'd pay in dues for a semester?
Feb 17 2008 5:39PM
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ontwosticks
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I think frat's are great as long as you find the right guys (which it sounds like you did) I go to school in boston so none of the frats have actual houses, just apartments where one guy lives and they party all the time. But none the less I considered rushing. But, if you find the wrong guys (say Pi Kappa Alpha for instance) that has the reputation of being a bunch of sleeze balls, it's not the most inviting circumstance when you hear about girls getting raped and seeing some of they guys they let in. But ifyou can find a chill frat, it's all good then their a blast.
Feb 17 2008 5:39PM
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Capt.Flannel
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I was in a fraternity at UVM and am now at a college in Maine where there are no frats at all. I liked it at first - it was a bunch of my buddies in there so I joined and got the benefits of a full time cook, a single in the house, and it was cheaper than living on campus. I got sick of it after a year and transferred out of it, but I didn't see any of the positives that Skogenjake spoke of, with the exception of the after-college connections. If the brothers were truly my friends, they'd hang out with me whether I was a brother or not. I found that there were far too many unnecessary rules, too much power being used improperly, and way too many stupid sorostitutes who made me want to kill myself. In my fraternity, it was apparent that it was an immature attempt at being professional, with too many parties thrown in. I was never a partier in high school and not very much in college. The first semester, even after rush, I had no problem not drinking. I helped run the parties; ran the door, made sure things were in line, etc. I got no shit for not drinking at all. Then graduation hit and all of the kids who I were closest to became stressed out and far too serious. I went from skipping parties to go away for the weekend on a fishing trip with my dad (example) to being told that if I didn't do a sufficient amount of chores to make up for missing the party when I got back, I'd be fined. Bullshit. It didn't happen, but the threat of such absurdity was enough to piss me off. I ended up transferring out of UVM for multiple reasons, though the fraternity was certainly on that list. That's my story. I wouldn't suggest a fraternity to anybody who wasn't ready, though if it feels right and you're willing to give your free time and many freedoms to a house, go for it. Just be sure to pick the right house with kids who will be your friends no matter what.

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Feb 17 2008 5:46PM
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Capt.Flannel
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dues are for social events, beer, nationals fees, and insurance for the house/fraternity. I paid 400 for dues per semester and even with that, the housing fee, and all food (chef's salary included) it was cheaper than living on campus with a meal plan and parking.
Feb 17 2008 5:47PM
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skogenjake
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well you pay for housing in one big check, then another smaller one for social (i dont live in, im a freshman, so 225 for me...like 3-4 hundred if you do live in). social covers alcohol, but also the huge parties with decorations (15 foot volcano, waterfall, stage and band). Housings about the same as the dorms in cost. We had to pay a pledgeship fee of 700 because our national chapter is lame as shit.

lunch is like a big buffet. salad bar. different items everyday. one day its hoagies, the other grilled cheese...all of it freshly made by our cooking staff of 3 people. the food cost is included. we have sit down dinners, with a really legit homecooked food like a roast or whatnot. there will be like one at each massive table. dinner attendance isnt mandatory or anything, but starts at 530. we have "waiters" more or less that are brothers who get paid to do it. lets say in a year, housing in the dorms would be 6-7. but you pay an additional 1500-2000 for food est. in the frat, its like 8-9 total. maximum. 

betas new house, with single rooms for each bro and whatnot- its like 15K.
Feb 17 2008 5:50PM
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Capt.Flannel
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oh, one thing that I do miss was every day after class we'd all grill up some burgers or steaks and play wiffleball.
Feb 17 2008 5:53PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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JEA NIGGA

im rushing sigma chi next semester as soon as i get unsuspended.

AS for why ppl dont like frats its cuz theyre usually gay weirdos who are socially incompetent. They are then jealous and try to turn the tables by calling frat guys bros and what not, digging them selves into a deeper hole.
Feb 17 2008 6:59PM
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Capt.Flannel
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or they don't drink, or they don't feel any necessity to pledge themselves to an organization, or they're happy with college as it is. Don't be so quick to judge non-greeks, just as some judge greeks.
Feb 17 2008 7:06PM
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proZach
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you could just tell every frat on campus that you're rushing and get on every list. that way you can get free beer and go to parties for that couple weeks or whatever.
Feb 17 2008 7:14PM
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beer.
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as for why ppl dont like frats...

those next words you typed pretty much explain things, don;'t they?

oh, and way to get suspended!
Feb 17 2008 7:17PM
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Seths22
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ahaha i love it.  you sound like such a frat boy shithead it's hilarious.

all you toolbags think you're the hottest shit on campus and this post only confirms it. 
Feb 17 2008 8:09PM
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ThaLetterM.
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you seem like an arrogant fuck. just an observation
Feb 17 2008 8:12PM
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ax_murderer
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im goin to a frat party at uvm tonight havent been to any gonna check out the scene
Feb 17 2008 8:13PM
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Capt.Flannel
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what house?
Feb 17 2008 8:18PM
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Aenigma
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"All the top shelf girls are in soroities"


This killed me.  I don't think laughing will do this generalization any justice, so I'm just going to quote it to place a nice exclamation mark after this statement. 

Oh, and I have a few reasons for not joining a frat:
-I'm too busy with school to deal with all the "activities" they have going on
-I don't want to live with the frat boy stereotype--regardless of the amount of truth you claim it holds
-Something about living in a run-down house full of dudes isn't that appealing to me
-Having your own place is reaaalllllly nice
Feb 17 2008 8:47PM
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CrazedSkier1080
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ΣΤΓ Fuck yeah
I love everything about my fraternity. 4 weeks of shit is so easily outweighed by a lifetime of opportunities and friends. I agree with you 100%. For all you kiddies, when you get to school, give greek life a chance. yeah, maybe youll meet a few fuckheads, but the majority are great kids that want to have a good time.
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Feb 17 2008 8:54PM
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JoeTheRipper
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'All the top shelf girls are in soroities, which you pair with 3 to 4 nights a week. Why bother hitting on the oddballs that either didnt rush or got rejected? Stick with the best.'

Are you fucking joking me? In what way are they the best, please enlighten me because I really would like to know. Seriously I am dying to know.
Feb 17 2008 8:59PM
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eheath
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Frats in utah are gay as fuck.
Feb 17 2008 9:01PM
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dman1260
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I think your post explains exactly why many people wouldn't want to go to a frat party or join a frat.  You come across as very arrogant, assuming only the best girls are in sororities, that you are the only people on campus who are not bored and have something to do, and that you are the only people who could get those "top" sorority girls. 

Personally, I wouldn't want to be in a frat because of all the shit that goes along in being in one.  I don't want to have to go to meetings when I don't want to, participate in parties I don't feel like going to, pay for other people to have parties, or hang out with a bunch of tools.  I can find plenty of friends who really are my friends and that I didn't have to pay to get.  I can also get ins by being friendly, working hard, and getting to know people who actually can get me places. 

Basically, get over yourself.  Just cause being in a frat is good for you, it doesn't fit for may other people (probably most).  And just because you are in a frat sure as hell doesn't make you anything special.  Most frats will take anyone who is normal cause you pay them money, not because you are cool. 
Feb 17 2008 9:13PM
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beer.
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perfectly stated.

I have a shitload of fun in college and i am not in a frat.
Feb 17 2008 9:20PM
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BobYohan
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because im canadian and we're all legal drinking age. NOONE joins frats up here, i literally don't know one guy who is in one, or one girl who would attend their parties.
Feb 17 2008 9:21PM
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49rider
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what he said...

i go to a school that doesnt have frats, i love it, everyone is really cool about partying here.  nobody gives anyone shit about someone being at a party or in their house. i dont think the atmosphere here would be the same with the greek system in place.  My brother is in a frat and a lot of the guys were total douches, some were cool though but not really worth hanging out with all the bros all the time.  Also, half the reason i am going to college is to learn some self reliance and to do this i dont need guys a year or two older than me telling me what to do, thats what i had parents for the first seventeen years of my life.  seems pretty stupid to me.
Feb 17 2008 10:22PM
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mackattack
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i have a good friend from high school in sigma chi at UW, and have met a hand full of his brothers. they were all very nice and welcoming.
As for deciding whether or not to rush, i didn't. i just knew it wasn't for me even though UW has a ton of sororities. Too busy/serious about school to be committed to activities 4 nights a week
Feb 17 2008 10:40PM
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GGreene
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frats are for Chads and Craigs
Feb 17 2008 10:55PM
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Edew19
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Frat parties are real fun for your freshman year to meet new people.  Then after a while you realize that you can just party with your friends and and skip all the bullshit that goes along with frats.  Luckily i realized this before i had to decide if i was going to pledge to one or not.  Also, although not all frat guys are stereotypically 'tools', there definitely is a certain arrogance about them. A bunch of my friends joined fraternities or sororities and im still friends with them but they have definitely changed.
Feb 17 2008 11:13PM
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Von
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I don't know what GDI is but at my university rush just ended for the frat houses and it turned out i knew a lot of people who were rushing. It let me have a closer look at the frat system for myself and surprisingly it was almost exactly like i thought it would be, full of douche bag rich white boy's who thought they were better then other people because they lived in a frat, but in reality are just socially awkward and can't make friends on there own without being surrounded by twenty other drunk dudes. Also frat guys have to feed off of sorority chicks because its the easiest way to get some pussy, and honestly there is not a single sorority girl that I would hook up with because I wouldn't want to be involved with it.

In short frats really do suck and if you want to have a good time in college just get a house of your own.
Feb 17 2008 11:25PM
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dman1260
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can I get an Amen!!! Hallelujah....  
Feb 17 2008 11:28PM
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skogenjake
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it also turns out you frankly are bitter because you probably werent good enough. and as for other posts, yes i am arrogant. does that mean i think im better than other people? no, i just more or less dont relate/identify with them.

you are what makes alot of people hate GDI's. You,my friend are the textbook GDI. In a sense of stereotypes and denial because you didnt experience it yourself. "umm i have alot of people i know who rushed". idiot. simply you dont know, have listened to one too many pop-punk albums, and stereotyped to the point where its obviously why the greek community would dislike someone like yourself. you are that bitter kid on the playground who hates the cool kids because you arent one. drawing pics in your notebook and trying to think of insults all day to throw unprovoked.

my house is not run down. it was founded in 1858. we have not had our charter revoked or been in real trouble for 150 years. we are the oldest greek chapter in existence that hasnt ever been kicked off.

our rush process had 200+ kids in the fall alone. each were selected after a long process.
"money" had nothing to do with it. i was one of 31.

you have no traditions. you had a shitty time in high school with a small group of friends and looks like you really just need to feel like a big adult in the only 4 years youll ever have to do something like this. your anger and judgement got you no where, and it shows with posts like that.

in short, you really do suck and if you want to have a good time in college dont be this kid.
Feb 17 2008 11:38PM
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eheath
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Or the frats around them suck, like utah frats. Ive been to a few frat parties here in utah and it is all "bros" and fucking slutty girls who 80% of them aren't that attractive. Plus i have a buddy whos in a frat and he's in the dorms more than he is at his frat because shits dumb and the dorms have more of a party scene here, kinda funny.
Feb 17 2008 11:40PM
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Von
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People generally don't like frats because they have enough social skills to be able to make lasting connections with people without having to pay to be in an artificial "brotherhood" with them. I haven't partied at a single frat party in college and I have partied every weekend and a good amount of weekdays to.
Feb 17 2008 11:43PM
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Aenigma
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Holy shit, my mind just imploded!  No need to worry though, now that you've made your "point", all of my stereotypes of frat boys are permenantly etched into what this circular talk failed to destroy.

I could go through and disagree with you point for point, but you're clearly not going to try a viewpoint other than your own.  Of course, I wouldn't want to live in denial either...
Feb 17 2008 11:45PM
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skogenjake
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haha theres my point. you havent even been to one.

p.s. all frats are different. if they really are that bad, you should realize that your campus may not be reflective of ALL campuses.

embarassment to the name "yacht"
Feb 17 2008 11:46PM
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skogenjake
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maybe you two should start a sweet band and play angry music about how bad i suck.

Feb 17 2008 11:47PM
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Von
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Let me start by saying that I didn't rush any frat and I have never wanted to, but for the last couple of months every weekend guys would come up to me and my friends at parties trying to get us to rush and join their frats and we flat denied them. Also the inability to not relate to people comes from a lack of empathy (a good quality to have) not from arrogance.

Again I still don't know what a GDI is but thats fine. I do know people who rushed, and I have never listened to pop-punk, and there was no stereotyping involved I was at the houses myself, I experienced what it was like first hand. I'm not bitter at all about not being in a frat because I've never enjoyed being in forced social situations.

I'm sure you're house is very nice especially with 20+ frat dudes living in it. Of course a lot of kids rushed your frat, the idea of free beer and easy friends and pussy is very appealing to most freshman guys.

I don't need to have traditions to have structure in my life. I had a great time in high school and had as many friends then as i do now.

Regardless, I'm not in a frat and I have more then enough fun.



Feb 17 2008 11:53PM
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Von
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I have been to them I just haven't' partied at any because any time I've ever checked out any parties at them they've just been full of frat dudes who are obsessed with pong and easy pussy so I leave. I've also been to cookouts ect.. that they've had to try to recruit freshman.

Feb 17 2008 11:55PM
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Von
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Your own doucheyness is really reinforcing my negative view of frats and frat guys.
Feb 17 2008 11:57PM
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Aenigma
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Do yourself a favor and step.....no, FALL off your self-righteous throne.  You're telling us about how much we're missing by not joining, but are we really the ones losing anything?  That's great that you view the world through a hardly discernable slit, but some of us prefer to experience a little more.  Trying to impose your ideas on everyone else is only going to lead you to failure--that is, unless you keep lying to yourself saying we're the ones that need to change.  
Feb 18 2008 12:03AM
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skogenjake
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A: you didnt rush but were "in the house" and have "never partied". call me when you make sense. what did you do? deliver a package?
B: try 80+ guys. you obviously dont go to a school with a real greek system. oh, and at a school with one, no rush chairs would come to you. you would have to come to them. you arent special.
C: "easy friends and pussy". you just are insulting yourself saying that. it sounds so classless. that wouldnt fly in the "real social environments" you have obviously mastered. it reallllly isnt about that. yet again, live in ignorance.
D: i never said you werent having fun. i just dont see why would you wouldnt give something a chance (or at least realize it doesnt apply to ALL campuses) before you be such well...a bitch about it.
Feb 18 2008 12:03AM
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Ifeinforsnow
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first off what is a GDI, just curious? and your defintiely right all frats are not the same not even close and most of the kids at least the ones Ive met in a few frats are great kids that just like to have a good time. But your not doing a very good job defending greek life by saying your arrogant and calling out all these kids that arent in one. I dont know you at all so Im not about to pass judgement but you gotta look at it from both sides. just cause some kids arent down to join frats doesnt mean there awkward fucking losers that had no friends in high school. its not for eveybody.
Feb 18 2008 12:07AM
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Capt.Flannel
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gdi = god damn independent
Feb 18 2008 12:08AM
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Von
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A. I didn't rush and I never partied as in I never stayed very long at any of the parties they had because they wern't very good. As I said I had been over there for grill outs and shit that they would have to try and get freshmen to rush.
B. The number isn't important, the point was that living in a house that is literally swarming with a ton of other dudes isn't exactly my idea of paradise. At my school frat guys are constantly telling all of the freshman that go out to party a lot that they should rush a frat, but I don't know how it works at any other schools.
C. When I said that I was meaning that that's what guys I know who joined frats said thats why they did it. I, unlike many frat boys I have encountered, respect women.
Feb 18 2008 12:11AM
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Von
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And thats exactly why people don't like frats.
Feb 18 2008 12:13AM
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skogenjake
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yeah alot of my best friends from high school decided not to go greek. so i dont think they are awkward fucking losers. i have a good number of friends who arent in the greek system. but they at least actually went out and tried it or went somewhere without a greek system. they also didnt just straight jump to the conclusions laid out by yacht's first post. im defensive because when someone is attacking me without knowing me, i tend to say something back. also its late and i should be doing homework haha. i realize that it really does depend on the campus. at a large state midwestern university, it for sure is alot different. i really just posted to get a discussion/arguement going because NS has been slacking and i was sick of "my threads" being empty.
Feb 18 2008 12:14AM
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Capt.Flannel
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yup, a silly term indeed. Such pompous, superior attitudes are one of the reasons I don't regret leaving my fraternity.
Feb 18 2008 12:15AM
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skogenjake
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While it sounds like the only real problem is that you may just have a bad group of guys that you talked to, I dont know how I can really "make" you realize this. You may just never know. Oh well, not my problem. So finally just don't hate if you dont know.

So did you go to a party or not? That keeps changing... sometimes in the same sentence.
Feb 18 2008 12:17AM
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Von
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Even though frats aren't all alike I don't think that i would ever join one no matter what school its at, just because the premise that is behind it is flawed. You join a social club that organizes and does things for you and effectively limits your independence in college.
Feb 18 2008 12:18AM
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