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I even forgot to mention the Powder Company (www.powdercompany.com) That company created twin tip fat skis that were shaped like snowboards by Matt Merckel supposedly in 1992, however they used softshell snowboard boots and never were really put into widespread production. So along with Canon and Groove, Powder Company was also making twintips at the same time or before Line. J-Lev was not the mastermind