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Marker still sucks - Broken Duke 2nd run

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=FLO=
Posts: 1969 - Karma: 39

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Second run on the new (suposedly bomber) Marker Duke, the middle screw, which is right under the boot, pulled out and the plastic snapped in half.  I did a little 180 to pow, felt a pop, looked down and i was in freeheel touring mode. 

I feel that this could happen to others, especially if hucking.  If a ski flexes reverse camber, the binding will naturally pull away from the ski.  There is a plate on the Duke that connects the toe and heel for touring, there is ONE screw in the middle that holds the lever down to switch from locked to free.  One fucking screw that keeps the whole thing locked.  If this screw pulls out, there is nothing that keeps it from moving, and snapping in half in my case.  So basically, fuck you Marker, your bindings still suck.

Dec 17 2007 12:18PM
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reeski
Posts: 1021 - Karma: 1,559
That sucks! Does marker make the jester too?
Dec 17 2007 12:23PM
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Valind
Posts: 4358 - Karma: 17
Dang, I was wondering how that was going to work.  I am glad I held off.
Dec 17 2007 12:26PM
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lepp0012
Posts: 482 - Karma: 39
Yup.

I wonder if this is only a problem with the Duke. I'm not sure how much the mounting of the Jester differs. I was worried about these bindings durability.

Anyone have any problems with the Jester yet?
Dec 17 2007 12:29PM
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FUUUCK
Posts: 18426 - Karma: 4,888
is that a serious question?
Dec 17 2007 12:42PM
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Ski_Unit_19
Posts: 8188 - Karma: 38
wow that really sucks.... i was hoping that they had gotten their shit together for this one... i guess not
Dec 17 2007 12:45PM
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InfernoHits
Posts: 4755 - Karma: 192
the duke seemed like it had to many parts. I have the jester and persoanlly love it. It is a very simple binding though. I dont trust things like the duke that have so many parts, its just complicates things
Dec 17 2007 12:54PM
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SkierJulie
Posts: 2495 - Karma: 101
I know in your case, the screw unscrewed. But, in general, why not make that plastic piece metal? I know they are trying to keep the weight of binding down as much as possible, but you'd think that with current technologies they could make that part a lot more sturdy.
Dec 17 2007 12:55PM
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=FLO=
Posts: 1969 - Karma: 39
Exactly - it needs to be metal, it is also pretty difficult to get back into lock mode from free - and all the pressure will pull on that one screw, that hole has to be heli-coiled, and a pulled out heli-coil can ruin a ski
Dec 17 2007 12:58PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
Posts: 9108 - Karma: 16
Bummer. 
It's funny, one kids binding breaks and now the whole company sucks again.  I used my Jesters and they were fine......

Dec 17 2007 1:09PM
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Troop801
Posts: 345 - Karma: 17
Sux to be u.  Mounted mine up, they tour great, i love the clunk when you click in.  Agreed that middle piece should be something other than plastic, but w/e.
Dec 17 2007 1:19PM
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papasteeze
Posts: 12055 - Karma: 911
Even though they are considered "bomber"  I really doubt they were engineered for Switch landings.
Dec 17 2007 1:46PM
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skinnylove
Posts: 6807 - Karma: 167
who actually lands forward these days?


haha yeah but seriously. they are a big mountain/touring binding. there not meant to land switch with.
Dec 17 2007 2:07PM
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Ski_Unit_19
Posts: 8188 - Karma: 38
i agree but still they should be able to handle more then one switch landing.
Dec 17 2007 2:09PM
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=FLO=
Posts: 1969 - Karma: 39
Come on - i did an 8 foot 180 - guys on TGR are saying that Hugo Harrison uses this all the time, and you can huck on it.  Who cares if i landed switch, it was an 8 foot air and it broke
Dec 17 2007 2:12PM
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skinnylove
Posts: 6807 - Karma: 167
you've got a good point. i guess we can both come to an agreement that marker still sucks.
Dec 17 2007 2:14PM
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jerad
Posts: 3236 - Karma: 47
amen.
Dec 17 2007 2:16PM
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Aenigma
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That's exactly what I was going to say.  Touring bindings aren't made for that sort of thing;  a switch landing puts completely different forces on the binding that they can't really compensate for with a releasable heel.  So really, you can't say Marker sucks because their bindings don't do what they're not supposed to do.

Dec 17 2007 2:38PM
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schmies
Posts: 2032 - Karma: 505
Take it back then. One broken binder doesn't mean they all suck, way to generalize. I broke my Salomon bindings, do I think all of them suck? No, I got new ones. They work fine. 
Dec 17 2007 2:53PM
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jhackbeez
Posts: 2136 - Karma: 258
right you are!
Dec 17 2007 3:07PM
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ShadyHillGroup
Posts: 2881 - Karma: 213
ehhh....salomon still sucks, unless its a 916, but this thread makes me worry, i know the dukes are a totaly different binding then the jesters, but i was gunna try something new on my skis instead of fks.....maybe ill give the sth16s a try
Dec 17 2007 3:09PM
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SnowMedic
Posts: 2132 - Karma: 25
Nope they just figured out how to market their product better.
Dec 17 2007 3:59PM
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=FLO=
Posts: 1969 - Karma: 39
If anyone is mounting a Duke, i would seriously suggest you heli coil the screw that holds down the lever, seems i am not the only one.  There is way too much tension on that one screw
Dec 17 2007 6:18PM
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jason...
Posts: 9006 - Karma: 780
thats what happens when u buy marker, it sucks, but i really dont think this binding was meant for switch landings anyways

Dec 17 2007 6:21PM
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papasteeze
Posts: 12055 - Karma: 911
bump
Dec 18 2007 2:16AM
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Fish_Sandwich.
Posts: 9108 - Karma: 16
Way to read my post retard.  What I said is exactly what you are saying.  I'm saying it's bad to generalize.  My Jester's work great no need to take them back...

maybe you meant to quote a different post?
Dec 18 2007 2:28AM
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evtic
Posts: 1713 - Karma: 16
If you read the blurbs on the duke, they say they are bombproof and ect. Anything bomb proof should ease out of any 8ft drop, fakie or regular. For how heavy they already are, they had better hold up. This binding was meant to change the way we tour, not break like all the others. Sad, Sad, Sad.  I was going to regain hope for marker
Dec 18 2007 9:14AM
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-dAvE-
Posts: 677 - Karma: 74
Marker bindings suck! i knew it was gona happen.. having that one screw was a dumb idea.. marker sucksss
Dec 18 2007 11:00AM
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schmies
Posts: 2032 - Karma: 505
I was in agreement of what you said 'retard'. Chill out.
Dec 18 2007 11:08AM
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japollner
Posts: 1699 - Karma: 459
This just in...You called Ryan Schmies a retard...


...you sir are an idiot.
Dec 18 2007 11:11AM
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miroz
Posts: 10333 - Karma: 3,947
haha, no one calls Mr. Schmies a retard
Dec 18 2007 11:18AM
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=FLO=
Posts: 1969 - Karma: 39
Yep, and i am getting another from backcountry, not sure if i want to use it or sell it
Dec 18 2007 11:57AM
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I-Ski-AK
Posts: 1378 - Karma: 22
haha thats what i hear...
Dec 18 2007 12:03PM
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skibum193
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this is agreed. schmies demands satisfaction!
Dec 18 2007 12:11PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
Posts: 9108 - Karma: 16
haha my bad, I didn't read the name and we were in agreement anyway.  Welll now, we'll juwst forget that happened eh.
Dec 18 2007 1:42PM
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sHrEdAgE
Posts: 930 - Karma: 11
damnit that sux

burn in hell marker
Dec 18 2007 2:11PM
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wolfmansbro
Posts: 2155 - Karma: 137
how much do you weigh and how tall all you?
Maybe you just happen to have a weak plastic for yours.
And its not all lose because they are still under warrenty.
For comparison im 150lbs been riding my dudes for over a month and haven't had any problems with mine. I've taken them on a few jumps and a couple cliffs up to 20 feet, and have rode them hard in crud and chunder. And then a few weeks ago i took them off a bigger jump and broke the tails on my skis but the bindings held strong. I figured if i was going to break a pair of dukes then they would break before my new skis. And in fact the skis broke and the bindings didnt

Dec 18 2007 2:40PM
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=FLO=
Posts: 1969 - Karma: 39
^ crazy - i am 6'2" 175 - but still it was a tiny air, maybe i had defective plastic
Dec 18 2007 3:03PM
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GUZ
Posts: 1371 - Karma: 255
my buddy has the jester and loves them he hasn't had any problems except he installed the break wrong but that wasn't the bindings fault
Dec 18 2007 3:29PM
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Beans13
Posts: 441 - Karma: 12
probably
I think I will  hold off a few years on these.
I have had good luck with the Fritchis
Dec 18 2007 3:36PM
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Elijah.
Posts: 9322 - Karma: 76
I never really liked Marker, but I kind of knew these bindings weren't as good as they were physched up to be. They use plastic components, meaning they really aren't going to be as strong as metal.
Look > Marker.
Dec 18 2007 3:43PM
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corbenketelsen
Posts: 254 - Karma: 10
i got the jesters and they seem pretty sick so far. the toe piece has a tiny bit of wiggle though. took em back to the shop and the dood said he could fix it. think it has to do with my boot.
Dec 18 2007 3:46PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
Posts: 9108 - Karma: 16
Jesters > Look as far as I can tell.
Dec 18 2007 3:46PM
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brenker
Posts: 3188 - Karma: 71
thats not good to hear. i bet whoever drilled ur bindings in could have stripped that back hole enough to make it pop out and snap that plate thing, sucks.
Dec 18 2007 3:49PM
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tride
Posts: 1038 - Karma: 26
Basically everyone this year on Dukes (and Jesters) are the beta testers.  

They will see what happens this season now that they have a large group of people putting them through all kinds of different scenarios, and they will likely adjust the design accordingly.  By next year they should be even better.
Dec 18 2007 4:32PM
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GetPitted
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My friend broke his last Saturday, Third time hes used em...
Dec 18 2007 4:57PM
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ShadyHillGroup
Posts: 2881 - Karma: 213
d'nah, fks/p18s pwn noobs and the older p12/p14s were great, but yes no look heel pieces suck, i haventtried the new race stock ones, but i can only assume they will be like the normal px, which is a decent heel piece, just doesnt hole me in as well as 155s
Dec 18 2007 10:21PM
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skiierman
Posts: 28699 - Karma: -5,563
The binding was designed for hardcore charging the likes of Hugo Harrison. Now ask yourself; how many times have you seen Hugo land switch?

Sucks you had to find out the hard way, but this binding wasn't the least bit designed for switch landings.
Dec 18 2007 10:52PM
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P.J.S.
Posts: 1782 - Karma: 11
How could you possibly think that? The Jesters have been around less than 1 year and Rossignol/Look have been making bindings for so damn long. Get your biased opinions out of the way of the truth.
Dec 18 2007 10:56PM
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skier_boy26
Posts: 11295 - Karma: 502
As i mentioned in another thread, a friend of mine had his Jesters explode for no reason. Led to a big ass gash into his knee, too.
Dec 18 2007 11:07PM
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televback1
Posts: 386 - Karma: 11
dude dont give up on em just heli coil it and put lock tight in the hole and if it does it again just get the warrenty again and then sell it i think i wasa defect was it one of the first ones?
Dec 18 2007 11:10PM
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