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rudager
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so today at school, various students were taken out of class and suspended for the day or a week

the reason? 2 facebook groups that were created, one is "join this if mr. denousyer(crazy frenchman)has ever given you a study hall" and the other is "mrs. trask (school principle) is a sneaky midget"

people posted and joined these groups, any wall poster was given a suspension and the one of the creators claims that someone hackked his account

so at lunch today, some students protested with petitions and signs, the teachers took them down and the students were given suspensions

now i ask. does the school have a right to do something like this? stop student prostesting? blackmail?

I THINK NOT!

opinions?
Nov 15 2007 7:15PM
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eheath
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Looks like some school administrators got their feelings hurt and abused their power.
Nov 15 2007 7:16PM
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skijunkiedtm
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i wish that would happen at my school, i want a break
Nov 15 2007 7:18PM
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user098123
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They could probably get in trouble for Lible. However, that is only if they had the group public and you didn't have to privately get invited to it. Could be wrong on that.

And technically, I'm pretty sure you can't petition and demonstrate in schools, but I'm not positive on that either.
Nov 15 2007 7:18PM
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j3Di
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They need to check out a little thing called the FIRST AMENDMENT
Nov 15 2007 7:21PM
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clayborn
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Were you in the group? the sneak midget one :D
Nov 15 2007 7:22PM
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fillup
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i hate when schools do this
Nov 15 2007 7:25PM
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shibby
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I heard a prof at my school got fired cause he was hitting on some chick over Facebook, not entirely sure on the details though.
Nov 15 2007 7:25PM
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east_toast
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you need to get every single kid in your school to protest or as close to everyone as you can get, i doubt they would suspend 400 people
Nov 15 2007 7:27PM
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Apple
Posts: 7906 - Karma: 33
as lame as it is, Facebook isn't a private entity anymore. Anything you put on facebook become public knowledge.  as much as I hate to admit it, Facebook has become an extension of our reality, you couldn't make a club at school for either of those things, could you imagine the repercussions? a club like that would basically be a hate crime. Since facebook is an extension of your social life as its fostered by your school, i think the school should have every right to take action against it.
Nov 15 2007 7:30PM
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TheButterHashira
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Wow, thats fucking redic. I think that the school shouldn't have any juristiction*sp over what you do on the internet on your own time at home, unless it would put other people in danger(ex. that kid who was making a plan to shoot up his school).
Nov 15 2007 8:06PM
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joly.sp
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sounds like somenone is power trippin'
Nov 15 2007 8:13PM
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3ski6guy0
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your friends all got PAWNED BEEEIIIEEETCH
Nov 15 2007 8:40PM
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rudager
Posts: 11332 - Karma: 4,597
no
i wasnt in any
i think this is stupid

someone just made another group "mrs trash is a fucking whore"
see how long that lasts

i created a slightly less harsh rebellion "i carry my cellphone in class, and use it, take that school!"
if the suspend me
oh man
that would be a good chuckle
were not allowed personal electronics in class
everyone does itanyways
Nov 15 2007 8:40PM
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babujib
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one kid at my school joined the everyone hates belmont hill (my school) and goes yeah you should see what happens in the showers and got 4 day suspension becuase he was joking
Nov 15 2007 8:42PM
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IcePointa
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Dude find me a way to get into that facebook network and I will raise hell.
Nov 15 2007 8:43PM
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doublexl
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mrs. trask is a sneaky midget. haha but for realz, thats totally an abuse of power.
Nov 15 2007 8:47PM
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GUZ
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yup seems like the administrators abused their power, first amendment bitch
Nov 15 2007 8:57PM
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connoroh
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In toronto, where i live, there was a similar thing that happened with a student saying shit about the principle. It may have been a group, but it ended up with the kid getting suspended, and the entire school had a protest pickets and all, which literally turned into a riot with like 20 kids getting arrested. One of my friends got arrested for pushing a cop back. Yea.
Also, i made a group called "mr. maa is clinically insane". This group had 400 people at one point, and he found out. He really is nuts, and told me we had to increase the members by 250 % or conscription will have to be taken into effect.

annndd this teacher (english) on my gr 10 report card in the comment box said "works well with garden tools"
Nov 15 2007 9:05PM
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steevner
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freedom of speach? of thought? where's that
although they could rebut with conspiracy...
Nov 15 2007 9:16PM
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fourhundred
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wtffff
Nov 15 2007 9:16PM
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bangarangmules
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invites?
Nov 15 2007 9:27PM
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Microcosm
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I see no reason why that should be illegal. fuck school administrators.
Nov 15 2007 9:35PM
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Von
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Works well with garden tools holy shit man that is awesome, you shouldn't take people like that for granted.
Nov 15 2007 9:40PM
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rudager
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ahh, all groups were deleted, except mine, its not as harsh though
Nov 15 2007 10:17PM
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connoroh
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Although he was sorta cool in some ways, like he really is nuts. he completely, completely disregards teh entire curriculum, and makes up his own. Basically, if you write 3 times the length of what he wants? you get a 90. And some of his own takes on things were awful. He's a really cool guy, but not a good teacher. For example, we had a two class chalk fight to show what would happen if we were given knives and had to "win". Also, he siad this word for word to a girl i know. "If i had to kill someone in this class, it would probably be rachael, she wouldn't put up too much of a fuss, and it might be a little fun". Nutbar.



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Nov 15 2007 10:18PM
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potatofarmer
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My school has one "I publicly made a teacher at Ichabod Crane cry"
Nov 15 2007 10:26PM
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da-bling
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sounds pretty beat...
but as gay as it is they can get you for slander even if you are free to speak your mind with the 1st amendment.
Nov 16 2007 12:12AM
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doritos
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Yep, Facebook is public property and perfectly legal to use pretty much anywhere. That's right all you kids who think you're real cool with all those pictures of you drinking alcohol posted en masse fucking everywhere on your profile. But yeah... that's slander, and Facebook is public, so they pretty much can do whatever the fuck they want here, stupid as it is.
Nov 16 2007 12:31AM
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Nicholas.
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for me any beer cans get covered with mountain dew or something in photoshop or just dont post.

lots of facebook debates right now though in my school, sometimes i go on and use my skills developed from battling 14 year olds on ns in them, its pretty fun to shut down the kids from pea club pulling shit out of their asses.

and the kids hating on AD's who are doing awesome things for the school.

its bullshit that the school gets involved in that shit though...bottom line.
Nov 16 2007 12:35AM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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trudat. a public, government instituted school (if im correct) has no right to do this. students should sue. its their 1st ammendment right.
Nov 16 2007 1:26AM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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wrong, right, respectively.

Lible only applies to established public media outlets. a facebook groups is not. Plus, its obvious these groups were made in humor and lible doesn't apply to humor either.

Second, yea i guess the protestors could/should get in trouble, but the original facebook makers should not.

ps where is this school so i can drop them a message?
Nov 16 2007 1:27AM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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go to hell you socialist, totalitarian, authoritarian, Orwellian, constitution hating piece of shit.
Nov 16 2007 1:30AM
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MadSteezin
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I love the name of the second group! Protest again during lunch with masses of people and if they try to suspend you out whit them and call the top person of your school district.
Nov 16 2007 1:59AM
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PacificRimJob
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God I love when power gets abused like this... it just fuels rebellion...

Something like this happened over myspace about 3 years ago when I was in high school. Someone made a bunch of groups for all of these teachers and made funny profiles and junk none of wich was actually harmful or derogetory, and then a bunch of people friend requested. Whoever was a myspace friend of the 'teachers' or who posted comments or whatever got suspended and all this junk. So there was a massively insane protest spread around myspace, and almost everyone at school, including myself, who was on myspace friend requested the 'teachers' profiles within the next week. Lots of folks started leaving REALLY nasty comments and shit, and the profiles got really personal and stuff. The teachers got even more angry... tried to bitch to "tom" but ha... that didnt do much now did it. Either way, they tried to call the police in on it and everything and the police basically told them to suck it up and stop acting like high schoolers. Either way, they couldnt actually suspend everyone, because everyone skipping one day of class = 50 thousand dollars for the school district. (I went to a school of 4000 kids. over 2000 of them were in on the myspace thing by the end of it) The kid who was origionally suspended got homecoming king and was basically the most popular dude ever after that. The teachers couldnt do shit, and he definitely got the last laugh. Whats great is that during graduation, he also snuck in sunglasses and tortillas and handed them out to everyone. Being my school was super anal about both of these things (regardless about the fact that it was super hot and sunglasses were kinda necessary anyway)... and (tortillas being thrown is kinda a tradition in a sense) this was awesome, because we all had on wacky sunglasses at the end, busted out a HUGE beachball thrown in by one of the cool parents... and threw tortillas everywhere. It was such a fun slap in the face and the staff was so disgusted and had dirty faces for days.  Our class will live in infamy at that school...



Oh, and apparently one of the assistant principals, who was actually filthy rich because he inherited a bunch of money from his dad, and who actually started the whole thing and delivered the suspensions and tried to install dresscodes as well as take away off campus lunch... well lets just say his Chrysler Sebring had all 4 tires slashed, the top torn off (convertable), was paintballed, and had firecrackers thrown in the gas tank and tailpipe... basically rendering it FUCKED (which was spraypainted on the side) and then he also had bricks thrown through windows at his house followed by smokecans.

I think that those kids went a littttttle too fucking far though, and I condemn that sort of behaviour. Although, the guy certainly should have known what he was getting into when he tried to go all powertrip.
Nov 16 2007 5:19AM
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steezin4Areasn
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One time i stabbed this faggot at my school and got 10 days suspension...........WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THAT????
Nov 16 2007 8:36AM
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Collgan
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Facebook isn't private but you could go on TV and make fun of a teacher without getting in trouble. I understand if the comments were posted while at school.
Nov 16 2007 9:51AM
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bsmith01
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Haha that shit sucks.  So glad Im not in highschool anymore.  Ive heard people in my old highschool are now getting busted for having pics from parties in facebook.
Nov 16 2007 11:51AM
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efritzz
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I don't think thats fair.
But then again, if a group was made about you ...
and people joined, being against you...
( and you were higher up, and had more power than the other people )
most likely, you'd use it.

But if they didn't want teachers to see it, then they shouldn't have been on it at school..

I still would have joined though.
Nov 16 2007 12:09PM
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Bigwoods
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Happened at my school and its the least thing from a break. They crack down on your internet usage..but we did have assemblys where we got to miss class.
Nov 16 2007 1:35PM
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coolhandluke
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both high schools and colleges have decided that facebook is not protected by the first or fifth amendments

back in the glory days it was for college students by college students......we posted whatever we wanted with zero problems

now judging you by your facebook profile is standard "background checking" for companies or on-campus jobs

facebook started its downhill slide when they let high schoolers join........
Nov 16 2007 1:48PM
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caucasian_chad
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It's against the law for then to punish you for things you post on the internet outside of school.  If any of this was done on a school computer, than that's different.
Nov 16 2007 1:51PM
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Jake...
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someone is power tripping
Nov 16 2007 2:59PM
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comeatmebro
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that's total bullshit, there is no way they can legally do that.

can someone who is saying it doesn't fall under the 1st amendment please explain why? because i don't believe that as is...
Nov 16 2007 3:17PM
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dr_phil
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Facebook is lame.
Nov 16 2007 3:49PM
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.jon
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my school has a group...

"Mr. Zrust... gym teacher or child molester?"

the school probably hasnt found out yet but 250 people are in it or so, hes a creepy gym teacher that checks out both guys and girls
Nov 16 2007 4:14PM
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TheQuailman
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Calling someone a crazie frenchman or a sneaky midget is neither a hate crime or lible.  freedom of speech allows you to say this stuff.  However things you cannot say would be something like "He molested me" - when he didn't.  But using words like sneaky and crazy is not wrong at all.  ou can say someone is crazy, you can say someones a midget or that they're french.  Technically this is completely illegal.  You have the right to say almost anything verbally or in writing.  However the schools abuse there power.  They completely go against the constitution and in court cases it almost always ends up in favor of the school.  The school has no right to do it.  But they do it anyway and theres little you can do.  It just goes to show you how much a lie america is.  They talk about freedom but really, you have no freedom.                                                                                                 
Nov 16 2007 5:27PM
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rudager
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im suspended till tuesday
for the "mrs trash is a fucking whore" group
anyone who wrote on the wall
i joined the group
wrote "hey guys, lets play a game, see how long this lasts"
then left
its sweet
i might get in trouble for the cell phone group
Nov 16 2007 8:50PM
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switchskier206604
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ah they're not allowed to do that just repeal the suspensions (cuz its obvious you made the group) and move on. and yeah, your principle, if he / she is a midget, that blows. and most likely would be  offended by any group on facebook reminding him/her of their midgetcy... thats not a word...
Nov 16 2007 8:53PM
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TechnoPotamus
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schools can violate your amendment rights because it's a learning institution and they have extra privileges for making strict rules because it's in the interest and safety of the students.  but it is pretty shitty.
Nov 16 2007 8:56PM
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martin.
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I think we should make a group saying that that is bullshit and all join it. What are they gonna do to us?
Nov 16 2007 10:19PM
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