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Do you guys dull your edges underboot?

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Rippy087
Posts: 666 - Karma: 12
I've been hanging out in the park lately, I can spin 3's now but I have never hit rails before.  Do you guys dull your edges under your boots.  I'm just worried that If I get my edges done before the season they will be too sharp on rails, or is that something I don't need to worry about?

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Jake
Oct 24 2007 1:24PM
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JATS101
Posts: 882 - Karma: 17
no man, if you slide rails, the rails will dull your edges fast enough anyway. enjoy your edges while you have them.
Oct 24 2007 1:29PM
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*cowboy*
Posts: 8830 - Karma: 214
idk... you can get pretty wrecked w/ a brand new pair of skis on rails. It's probably a good idea to dull them a little bit (just right under ur boot) before you start to jump on rails/boxes.

Oct 24 2007 1:33PM
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Big--Ben
Posts: 508 - Karma: 296

i usually dull them with a file, you can do it by just grinding for a couple days, just dont hit any down rails or anything urban until theyre dull 

Oct 24 2007 1:36PM
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skier_boy26
Posts: 11295 - Karma: 502
if im going to hit a bunch of rails, ill file down the edges nice and round underfoot (for maybe a foot or so in length). Keeps the friction down a bit, and there is less material, so the edges seem to last longer and catch less.
Oct 24 2007 1:40PM
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djty111
Posts: 1103 - Karma: 93
I only detune new skis most of the time, other than that I try to keep them as sharp as possible.
Oct 24 2007 1:45PM
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bigwhite.steeze
Posts: 8227 - Karma: 1,030
i dont dull mine i just ride rails until there dull when i get new ones...when doing down rails im on =my back edges anyways so it doesnt catch much
Oct 24 2007 1:47PM
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TWoods
Posts: 10014 - Karma: 8,385
Before I ski park skis, I de-tune from a few inches in front of the toe of my boot to a few inches behind my heel... and then like three inches of the effective edge at the very tip and tail
Oct 24 2007 2:04PM
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skibum193
Posts: 3737 - Karma: 33
yes. the tip and tail detune is key to not catching your edges of jumps
Oct 24 2007 2:09PM
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Tex.
Posts: 1106 - Karma: 124
it's usally best to de-tune them as much as you can but even if your edges are detuned you can still catch, it usually takes a little box/rail sliding to do the trick...
Oct 24 2007 2:11PM
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TWoods
Posts: 10014 - Karma: 8,385
for sure. most people don't realize that even many racers do this
Oct 24 2007 2:13PM
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Pipe_Munky
Posts: 10887 - Karma: 2,165
if you want performance out of the park, set your edge bevel underfoot to 2.5-3.0 degrees. this way you can still keep a sharp edge and not worry about hanging up on rails.

my tweaks have a 1degree along the whole ski and then 3 degrees underfoot. if you look at snowboards, most freestyle boards come with a 2.5 degree bevel along the whole board



Oct 24 2007 2:17PM
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Klick_2_klaim
Posts: 3396 - Karma: 25
I detune tip to tail.
If you live in a place with lots of natural soft snow you dont need edges so much if you're not a super gs carvy kinda guy. besides, factory tuned edges can slice you to pieces.
I basically detune binding to binding extra hard... then you dont get caught up on a rail, but more importantly you dont crack your edges and have blowouts. I guess you still can, but it is alot harder.
Oct 24 2007 3:50PM
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404404
Posts: 11358 - Karma: 21,033
Take your ski and bash it on a rock, or just use a rail untill they arent sharp anymore. Soon as a get a new pair of skis i take them and smash the fuck out of the edges. If your going to be in the park and hitting rails you need to dull your edges.
Oct 24 2007 4:05PM
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Billiards.
Posts: 6853 - Karma: 816
After about a month of jibbing there isn't much more I can do. So generally no.
Oct 24 2007 4:08PM
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Tha_Grouch
Posts: 2216 - Karma: 14
Exactly.. I use a sharpening stone. I really wouldn't recommend using a file... you'll take off an unnecessary amount of material.

Tip and tail is KEY.. I found that out the hard way.
Oct 24 2007 4:42PM
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punkrock32
Posts: 1183 - Karma: 21
I generally detune my edges underfoot, and extend it a few inches behind the heel and in front of the toe.  With urban skis, I generally completely dull them- my edges are basically round underfoot on urbans and fairly round everywhere else. 
Oct 24 2007 6:16PM
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Ender
Posts: 2348 - Karma: 112
dull them underfoot and you'll be golden
Oct 24 2007 6:20PM
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KravtZ
Posts: 6637 - Karma: 2,629
nah  if u never hit one in ur life before than u prob have nothing to worry about really....also i never detune my edges casue i actualy ski the mtn and i never caught my edge on a rail from them so ur call man
Oct 24 2007 6:28PM
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oiECSoi
Posts: 1447 - Karma: 10
on my snowboard i basically detune the whole effective edge, i dull them pretty well, good enough to still have some edge for groomers before the park opens up so they wil be really dull for the park. my edge isnt much of an adge its like a fucking round corner? haha
Oct 24 2007 6:33PM
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JTL
Posts: 2275 - Karma: 338

i don't detune my edges. i sharpen them

Oct 24 2007 6:36PM
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skienthelife08
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i had to find out the hard way i went up for a simple flat rail and just stopped and went forward and did a yard sale
Oct 24 2007 7:08PM
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kristeezy
Posts: 393 - Karma: 126
i absolutely dull my edges because it really sucks for the first couple days/weeks when you just always stick and can't slide anything...but have to to dull them. its just a lot faster and easier
Oct 24 2007 7:49PM
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B.Snow
Posts: 1859 - Karma: 92
as soon as i get a new pair of skis i just file every inch of edge down.
Oct 24 2007 7:58PM
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B-Wald
Posts: 8113 - Karma: 96
is that the same thing as a gummy stone? i've been out of the tuning game for a couple years now.
Oct 24 2007 8:10PM
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poofartpee
Posts: 7436 - Karma: 1,537
I dont...the chance of catching an edge is deff over played...its not that easy but it can happen...id say leave em they will dull as u slide
Oct 24 2007 8:17PM
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Peter.
Posts: 23796 - Karma: 13,012
i havent caught one yet, even my first year on rails, when i didnt have twin tips, just race skis

i guess i just dont slide the way that im gonna catch an edge
Oct 24 2007 8:24PM
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yeahitsdave
Posts: 1315 - Karma: 10
thats a good call, hadnt really thought about that before...
Oct 24 2007 8:38PM
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keystoner1
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yeah i just dont like when they are sharp. its scary haha
Oct 24 2007 8:43PM
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dyna-star
Posts: 33 - Karma: 11
never, i just let them do the job by themselves. After a day in the park they're fine
Oct 24 2007 8:47PM
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Edward.
Posts: 9366 - Karma: 445
i would but i dont know how i could detune them
Oct 24 2007 9:18PM
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thejackal1177
Posts: 3434 - Karma: 2,724
i hate tuned edges on rails
Oct 24 2007 9:21PM
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drewishish
Posts: 3710 - Karma: 23
some should post a picture of this file they use, the one im picturing cant be good for the skis. its not the right one, but i dont have any other picture in my mind.
Oct 24 2007 9:23PM
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doublexl
Posts: 8407 - Karma: 26
i always dull mine a lil bit underfoot and tip and tail.
Oct 24 2007 10:20PM
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General_Shredgnar
Posts: 3024 - Karma: 34
I tried detuning my edges when I bought my skis and it made rails so shitty and inconsistant. Unless your a pro at detuning and sharpening, let the rails do the work. You get sticky on 5 rail slides and then it becoems natural again and all well. 
Oct 24 2007 10:54PM
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SHastatahoe
Posts: 3414 - Karma: 19
I detune everything a little bit.  I grind burrs down on park skis, and keep them pretty detuned.  I keep my pow skis pretty detuned too.  But its not for everyone, and you have to know how to actually ski to be able to ski right without sharp edges.  I used to race too, and I really like detuned edges for everything.  Though a nice tune is always nice for some race skis.
Oct 24 2007 11:19PM
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tjski
Posts: 5859 - Karma: 44
after i had gotten a tune up, i had to detune my edges, they were way too grippy..but thats only happened once.
Oct 24 2007 11:22PM
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Rooddss
Posts: 1420 - Karma: 14
i like my edges
Oct 24 2007 11:24PM
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BigJew
Posts: 6974 - Karma: 79
I don't detune my skis really. The first day on them I'll rub the edges on the rail a little bit, just run it up and down. That way you don't detune them way too much with a file but you still don't catch.
Oct 24 2007 11:26PM
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TWoods
Posts: 10014 - Karma: 8,385
one like this, very sparingly:

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then one like this to get rid of burrs


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Oct 24 2007 11:26PM
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TWoods
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click on it
Oct 24 2007 11:27PM
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jahmin44
Posts: 638 - Karma: 37
i just ski them till there dull, and then never turn my edges.
Oct 24 2007 11:49PM
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jahmin44
Posts: 638 - Karma: 37
tune**
Oct 24 2007 11:50PM
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jahmin44
Posts: 638 - Karma: 37
tune**
Oct 24 2007 11:50PM
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dave44
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Obviously, rails can crack an edge, but does tuning/detuning a ski make a difference as to how likely it is? I'm just wondering. Because like, if your edge catches, you lose forward movement (down the rail) and more energy transfers straight downwards towards the rail right? And if your edge is detuned, more of the energy is transferred forward along the rail as you move... Or does this not work?
Oct 25 2007 12:00AM
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