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ryan.c
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so i have a question. after lookin thru other threads ive found that skis normally dont have a prob being remounted and sometimes can use the same holes. however my situation is different from most others. as a good kid, i got my boots a size or so bigger so that id grow into them, but im short and decided not to grow and prolly wont. the stupid store that mounted my bindings mounted the heel piece all the way forward on the plate so i cant move it forward w/o a remount, and i ride invaders so that means remounting both toe and heel piece. normally it would be fine cause the previous holes would be underneath the binding, but with my remount they would be infront and behind the binding and with one hard landing im sure its not gonna hold since the invaders are as thick as a piece of paper.

my questions are: am i correct in that they prolly wont hold up the whole season and with a hard landin on the tails break? should i go back to the store and tell them that they fucked up and get me new skis(they are less than a year old) since i already had to have the 06 invaders replaced with their whole delam prob and now its another pair thats gone bad? i work at a sports store and one of the guys suggested that they should have been mounted atleast a little bit back from the front of the plate and that i could prolly say they screwed up and they gotta fix it?

any suggestions
Oct 23 2007 8:39PM
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lochsucks
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all my remounts have broken
Oct 23 2007 8:42PM
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ButteredToast.
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Go tell them they screwed up.

My friend's Fujis were mounted incorrectly so he took them back and they gave him 08 bindings (he had 07's) and a completely new set of skis. They gave him his money back, mounted them for free and gave him like a $40 gift card. INCREDIBLE service.
Oct 23 2007 9:17PM
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thedutchmayn
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wow that really is incredible. what shop did that? 

Oct 23 2007 9:28PM
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ryan.c
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thats sweet...unfortunately, this shop isnt great on service...

wen my 06 invaders delamed they said i had to go straight to the company, i told them that line says specifically to go thru the shop, but i had to wait for them to make a call and confirm it. line was fine about everythin, and it was even over the 1 year warranty by like a month and still gave me the 07 skis as a replacement, but the shop gave me salomon screams for 4 weeks which sucked. their service just blew so i know they will try to tell me they know what they are talkin about with mounts wen i know what they did was wrong. the thing is that i dunno if theres somthin that u learn with a mounting/tuning license about the bindings not being all the way on one end of the mounting plate. but theres also the fact that i got screwed once and that i work at a competing ski shop, so they might do it...any1 else got any advice/knowledge?
Oct 23 2007 9:28PM
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ButteredToast.
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Sun and Ski. We go there so much the guys know us, they're cool dudes and they just give amazing service.
Oct 23 2007 9:41PM
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ryan.c
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what states that in...just for reference for any1 really
Oct 23 2007 9:46PM
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ShadyHillGroup
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i dont really see how this is the shops fault.....so why are you trying to fuck them over?
if you get a remount just move the heel pieces foward, it will make them ski like a normal ski mounted centered plus you get longer tails for easier tailgrabs, and shorter tips for easier truck drivers
Oct 23 2007 9:48PM
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ryan.c
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its the shops fault because ur not supposed to mount a binding all the way forward on the mounting plate...and ive had probs there before


if i just move the heel piece forward, then they'd me mounted forward from center because like i said they are invaders so they are already centered...why would i ever ski forward...ur just dumb or didnt read it properly
Oct 23 2007 9:59PM
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ButteredToast.
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The one I'm referring to is in Ohio. They're all over the place though I think, correct me if I'm wrong though.
Oct 23 2007 10:12PM
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poofartpee
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thats fuckin amazing!! but i dont think most stores would be that generous
Oct 23 2007 10:28PM
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ShadyHillGroup
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you are a big VAGINA did you read what i posted...no...plenty of people ski symetrical skis foward from center
Oct 23 2007 10:30PM
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ryan.c
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i did read what u said...why would any1 ride a symmetrical ski forward? that doesnt make any sense...people may ride them back a little but not forward. "so you have bigger tails to grad and easier truckdrivers" or you could just learn how to ski properly? you are the one that's a vagina, its clear that the shop fucked me over how could you even say they didnt, its the second time they did. actually, its the third, they also charged an extra 130 onto my credit card outa no where wen i hadnt been there in months so i had to get that resolved
Oct 24 2007 7:14AM
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skiP.E.I.
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My PEs were remounted twice, but it was close to the end of the season...they seem to be holding up fine so far though. With Invaders it's gonna be really bad, true because they are thin and the core already is thinner because of butter zones, but I guess bindings aren't mounted on top of those anyway nm. You may as well go back to the shop and ask for a new pair, there's no harm in asking. Btw, why did you go to a different ski shop if you work at one, wouldn't you get a discount from them anyway? or did you just start working there?
Oct 24 2007 7:24AM
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gopher_guts
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Are they Looks or Rossis?

They're retarded, straight out of the box and they're set right at the front of the track. Shops would never then think to move em to the middle. Im downsizing boots this year and like you I'm gonna have to remount brand new stls.  Was also thinkin it's bound to affect the flex of the ski since an extra 2-3 inches is bolted over the tail. The manufacturers are mongoloids!!!

Oct 24 2007 8:20AM
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ShadyHillGroup
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alright broseph you are still a retard and a big vagina, and now i think you need to learn how to read, oneyour quote isnt even what i said, two plenty of people  ride symetrical skis 1-2cm foward from center for the reason which i stated, three if your shops keeps on fucking you over go to another shop you idiot
Oct 24 2007 11:53AM
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ryan.c
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you said: plus you get longer tails for easier tailgrabs, and shorter tips for easier truck drivers


and i said: so you have bigger tails to grab and easier truckdrivers



thats exactly the same...ur the vagina
Oct 24 2007 3:36PM
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ryan.c
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my parents bought the original 06 invaders at that shop before i started workin at my shop, thus the reason i keep goin to them cause thats where i bought them...my shop isnt gonna give me a free ski because another shop fucked up.

they are the scratch bindings on there, if that helps in any way, but the concept is still the same no matter what binding. and its not like i expected them to put them right in the middle, cause yeah, more people do just go up boot sizes, but you would never want to mount them all the way forward on the plate.
Oct 24 2007 3:39PM
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ryan.c
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and back to armadajh...


i already proved how i can read and im not retarted because what i said and what u said were the same thing. also, plenty of people ride skis mounted forward...if plenty of people did it, then there would be no reason for a symmetrical ski, they would just make the ski core farther forward than the middle of the ski. maybe if they had remounts then yeah, i can see people putting them forward for like a year, but deff not on brand new skis, and not specifically for easier trucks and tail grabs...learn how to ski u jew. i think u need to get over urself and learn how to accept it wen ur wrong.
Oct 24 2007 3:43PM
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396222687862
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Only vaginas mount a symetrical ski forward of dead center. I can understand a lil back, for some steeps and something else, but the Invaders are a 100% park ski, and are reccomnded to mount at center.

Your a vagina. just stop now, you've dubbed yourself as dumbass.
Oct 24 2007 3:49PM
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Valind
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You should have no problem remounting them.  If they fall in the same holes that is ok, if it's just a little off and it makes the holes there now a little bigger, thats ok too, they have these spacer things that make the screw fit.  You will be fine, just make sure they dont mess up again.  If they know what they are doing and they remount it correctly you will have no problems.  I use to be a shop tech. 

BUT,....like others have said, I would take it back to the shop and show them what they did and they should take care of it.

Oct 24 2007 3:51PM
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ryan.c
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ty, finally a ski tech response. the one guy that originally told me to go back there and say it was done wrong was also a ski tech, and im gonna ask the current ski tech at my shop if i should do the same n if it was actually mounted wrong and i could get somthin outa it or just wrong for me cause i gotta move it forward and its more of guidlines to not mount it all the way forward.
Oct 24 2007 3:57PM
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Valind
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Go talk to them, just don't be an ass, be cool and talk to them.  It will get you a lot farther.  Explain to them what you did here but don't point fingers, just tell them it was done there and you want it corrected.
Oct 24 2007 4:00PM
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SkierX
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Epoxy should keep there from being any issues.
Oct 24 2007 4:08PM
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MEGAZORD
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Usually the jigs are set up so when you drill the holes, the heelpiece will be in the middle of the track, not all the way forward. 
Oct 24 2007 4:11PM
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SkierX
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I was going to say that as well.

Whoever did things screwed up bigtime.
Oct 24 2007 4:12PM
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alexL
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yeah usually, we have one rossi jig thats just dumb, it doesnt fit onto anything with more then like 75 underfoot either without having to take the rubber shit off its a pain to use
Oct 24 2007 5:08PM
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ShadyHillGroup
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buddy i now know that it is your shops fault i didnt fully understand that it was bad to mount the heel piece all the way foward. but im not a jew, im not wrong i know atleast a dozen kids with skis like invaiders and addicts mounted at + 1 and 2 ,t that is how they prefer there skis and you really cant knock it until you've tried it, and dont tell me to learn how to skis assuming shit just makes you look like an ass
Oct 24 2007 5:36PM
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lepp0012
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When I bought my Fujitives, the shop mounted them traditionally, not center.  So, they had to remount them center.  I haven't had any problems with them though...
Oct 24 2007 5:50PM
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Silence
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i know this still poses the same issue of a "symmetrical ski", but if you dont want to go forward of center, you could leave the heelpiece where it is, put it in the middle of the track, and then just remount the toepiece instead
Oct 24 2007 5:59PM
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ryan.c
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if u didnt know in the first place, then why would u post that it wasnt their fault wen u had no idea what ur talkin about? i only called u a jew sayin because u were bein a douche saying it wasnt their fault and that its better to get them mounted forward. then calling me a vagina and a retard because i didnt read what u said, wen infact what i quoted was exactly what u said. and then u asked why i didnt go to another shop, which is obvious cause another shop isnt gonna give me anythin for it, this one might have too. yeah u might know some kids that have it mounted forward, but that doesnt mean its better. more people actually have them center mounted and ride them for the purpose that the skis made for. u were the one assuming things cause u just admitted u didnt know what u were talkin about, yeah i started to look like an ass, but only in response to you.



and thankyou for every1s input so far...looks like im goin to the store and talk to the tech there sometime soon
Oct 24 2007 6:03PM
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ShadyHillGroup
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look all i said was i didnt se yhow it was your shops fault, and how i didnt see why you would try to fuck them over, i still dont see how it is actually a problem to have them mounted all the way foward on a track and no one has explained  why it is, it seems like you could argue that if they mounted them all the way back on the track and you got a bigger boot it would be there fault again, does it actually limit the performance of the ski or is it just inconvinent for you? and we can point the "he started it finger" all night, im just going to say that my first post only made a suggestion of what you could do, and in your iignorance you called me dumb, im dont with this thread hope you get your skis fixed and you bindings dont ripp out on you bud peace
Oct 24 2007 6:13PM
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396222687862
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the mounting plates are setup so the track should be in the middle. or atleast a bit forward of middle. in no instances should the plate be all the way forward so theres no way of getting a smaller size boot into it, even a .5 smaller. so its an inconvenience, to have to remount, losing the skis quality, and durability because some dumbass didn't mount it correctly. and since the ski is symetrical, and most people like it center, then theres not much you can do with remounting besides going forward or back a few cms, which somewhat defeats the purpose of the symetrical ski. so the ski shop fucked up, and should make up for their shit
Oct 24 2007 7:09PM
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ryan.c
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werd
Oct 24 2007 8:34PM
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LC.
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What's with all the bitching here? I stopped reading halfway down the page because no one was actually answering the kid's question, so forgive me if I skipped a genuine answer.

The shop mounted them with the track all the way forward because that gives you room for a bigger boot in there. It's your fault for buying your boots way too big in the first place and not explaining that they were too big. If I'm mounting kids skis I'll always ask the parents if they want maximum room for bigger boots or room each way so they can be passed onto their other kids.

So for your remount, if you're already centre mounted, you'll have to remount 1cm back of centre. If you're back of centre just now then have them remount only the heel and that'll put you 0.5cm forward of where they are just now (or 1cm back if your new boots are 2 sizes smaller). If you remount just the heel on a current centre mount then you'll end up 0.5 or 1cm forward of centre which wouldn't ski so well.

The best thing to so is go to a decent shop, give them all your gear and say where you want them mounted ideally, but give them an alternative because they'll have to avoid the current holes. Speak to the guy who is going to be mounting them and have him write a note on the form saying that only he can do it.
Oct 25 2007 8:22AM
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sindrejibb
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I remounted mine, and it was fine. But I'm not the tallest guy here :P
Oct 25 2007 8:26AM
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LC.
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And your comments about old holes location isn't relevant at all. Yes, Line's are a bit weaker but they're not going to snap. The old holes are only going to be 1cm away from the new ones anyway. It's only really a potential issue if the old holes are right behind where the heelpiece stops.

Moving just the toe is another option. There's so many factors here. Just take them to a shop and leave it to them. If you find a nice member of staff on a quiet day and explain what happened and they might do it half price or something. Or take some beers. Any boots we sell at my shop that require a remount for a customers skis, we do for free unless the customer is a complete asshole.
Oct 25 2007 8:27AM
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