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Does a heavier ski give u more balance on a rail?

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currentwestman
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i keep telling myself that with a heavier ski i will have better balance on a rail, but am i lying to myself?
Oct 20 2007 11:07PM
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paulbunyan
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im not to sure on this but it depends on  where the wieght of the ski is if its completly balanced id say yes? but i dont kno to much bout this
Oct 20 2007 11:10PM
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joly.sp
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I dont think so. it doesn't make any sense. I think if you are heavier and the rail is like right under your toes then a heavier ski would balance it a bit, but not that much at all.

Oct 20 2007 11:22PM
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wlm
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i would say so, but a lighter ski its easyer to switch up and stuff.
Oct 20 2007 11:25PM
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BigJew
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i'm sure if you worked out the physics the weight of the ski would make some kind of difference, but you would never be able to notice in real life. Don't blame the weight of your skis because you aren't good at rails.
Oct 20 2007 11:31PM
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ColbyV
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probably not - they'd be too stiff because they are so heavy and for me (atleast) stiffness is bad for ralis
Oct 20 2007 11:34PM
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Ceru
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a ski is a ski on rails, it doesnt really matter how heavy it is.  im sure its different with lengths of skis on rails tho i think

Oct 20 2007 11:36PM
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Kazabazua
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just dont go into the technicals about it, it wouldnt make that much of a difference and your gonna be using that as an excuse everytime you dont finish a rail.
Oct 20 2007 11:37PM
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t-roy
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the best way to have more balance is to have more speed. it's easy to explain why that works.
Oct 20 2007 11:52PM
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currentwestman
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i wouldnt be using that as an excuse so im not sure why u said that, all i was wondering was if anyone else found it easier to balance because my new skis will be a lot heavier than my old ones.  GOSH!
Oct 20 2007 11:55PM
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Ceru
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dude its all gunna be fine, youll probably shred the same exact way you used to when you get used to them.
Oct 20 2007 11:57PM
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KRAMPUSNTROLLZ
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Not as much weight of the ski as if your ski is center mounted and then the length being equal on each side will balance you better probably. Obviously longer skis will be better for rails than really short ones again i am not sure about the heavy part and how much that would effect it.

Oct 21 2007 12:17AM
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MadSteezin
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yup.
Oct 21 2007 12:19AM
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Max-Steeze
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the more speed you have the more balance 
Oct 21 2007 1:51AM
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punkrock32
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I find that wood core skis have better balance on longer rails, but maybe thats just me.

Oct 21 2007 1:55AM
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DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX
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ummm i think it wouldent make it eny better.maybe worse.especally if they wernt mounted center.
Oct 21 2007 2:04AM
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australianjibber
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this has always been an interesting thought for me.  im sure ski companies look into the physics of this sort of shit.  im actually interested in mounting positions relative to physics and felx too.  as in does it really matter that much if your not centre mounted? 

Personally, im probably a 60/40 big mountain/park skiier. I got my skis this year mounted just back of centre because i personally dont think it matters too much regarding rails.  once your technique is good enough, and you learnt o use your boot flex and flex in your skis, then you can afford to fuck around with mounting positions.

personal opinion anyway
Oct 21 2007 2:12AM
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dave44
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Yeah, I've wondered about center-mounted and non-center-mounted skis too.
Oct 21 2007 2:17AM
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4ReeL_
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stoopid question...............dork
Oct 21 2007 2:24AM
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Kazabazua
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for me the answer is no, because there is such a small difference in the weights of skis that you wont even notice. the only thing that might change that sort of thing is the length, 160 would be hard 180 would be easy. there ya go.
Oct 21 2007 3:21AM
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Capurnicus
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Skis mounted center (or closer to it) will balance better on rails for sure.

But a heavier ski would definitely not affect balance on rails. The difference in a heavier ski and a light ski compared to your body weight is so small that it would never matter.
Oct 21 2007 3:46AM
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-Kieran-
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well it depends if u can even hop onto the rail
Oct 21 2007 4:19AM
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I_liketobutter
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last year i had arvs w/ 912ti's that were set at recommended which is prob at least -8cm back from center and they are light as shit. this year i have heavier skis (lizzies and fks) and they are about 1or 2cm back from center and they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier on rails and everytihng else.

where your skis are mounted plays a much bigger role than flex and weight. unless ur trying to nose and tail press
Oct 21 2007 10:20AM
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4ReeL_
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i here if you replace your edges with magnets you will never fall off another rail again
Oct 21 2007 11:10AM
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TheQuailman
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yes, the rail and your skis are not a smooth surface , the friction grips the skis on the rail.  With more weight there is more friction and more grip.


However it is harder to do switchups, spins, ollies, etc.

I tried my friends PE's that were like double the weight and stiffness of my Troubled Youths and they were rock solid on rails, but I would never get skis that heavy because it would be impossible to get on the rails, and harder to do switchups and spins, etc.
Oct 21 2007 11:20AM
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currentwestman
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thanks for all the opinions guys, i guess i was lying to myself haha, seems like everyone mentioned something about center mounting your skis so maybe thats what i'll think about. thanks
Oct 21 2007 12:44PM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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this is the coolest topic
Oct 21 2007 4:51PM
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rudeboy_87
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not true at all... you simply have to balance for a shorter amount of time...
Oct 21 2007 4:57PM
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jea_killa
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CENTER MOUNTING IS NOT FOR RAILS!!! Its for your spins so u are spinning on a center axis. newbs of skiing
Oct 21 2007 5:39PM
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mathers
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if anything it would make your balance worse. minor adjustments on a single barrel or something would cause a greater shift in weight with a heavier ski than a lighter ski. that being said, if you stick to boxes...it might give you a lower centre of gravity...but if you stick to boxes your probably fat anyway so it shouldn't matter.
Oct 21 2007 6:16PM
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Boodje.
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MORE SPEED=MORE BALANCE
Oct 21 2007 7:21PM
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jea_killa
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AND Center mounting is for skiing switch it has nothing to do with rails at all
Oct 22 2007 6:55PM
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Kazabazua
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you moroins can keep thinking that a couple of grams of weight actually makes a difference with things like friction and switchups and such, but the real fact of it is that its all in your head the only thing that really makes a difference is flex and where the binding is mounted, weight doesnt fucking matter, if i told you to hold a T hall in one hand and a STL in the other one is 176 the other 177 you probably wouldnt be able to tell me the difference because there the same shape and both made of closely the same materials so it REALLY doesnt fucking matter i can guarantee i can do a 360 switchup on ANY ski as long as its centre mounted, it doesnt even have to be 'twintipped' for fuck sakes.
Oct 22 2007 10:52PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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the balance is in your body. not in your skis. position yourself right and you could slide a rail on a station wagon.
Oct 23 2007 12:16AM
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LivinOuttaBounZ
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Dude, it had advantages for rails as well. Think about it  Isaac Newton. You don't see tight ropers using a stick of unequal length for balence right? It is best for switch, it helps with spins, but dont be so quick to limit its advantages. It helps me keep balance on rails as well. I've skied rails on both center mount and recomended mounting locations and it is a big difference especially if you land uncentered.

And if you are going to call someone a newb of skiing, at the very least try and say something intelligent first. Cheers!
Oct 23 2007 1:30AM
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GrAveLL
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I don't think it gives you anymore balance than a lighter ski. Longer skis might though
Oct 23 2007 8:28AM
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Klick_2_klaim
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no center mounting is for stunt skiing, and rails are stunts!
Oct 23 2007 11:35AM
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Colt45er
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i liked the completely random F bombs..... i would think that your momentum when getting onto a rail is carried beter with a heavier ski, and with a lighter one there is less momentum, beter for pretzles and shit,  or less effort.  this is just what i think.  like for example, i like my skis light and kinda playfull, when there heavy i cant really feel my ski as good, kinda like a mechanical pencil compared to a regular pencil, much more feeling in the wooden pencil.
Oct 23 2007 11:42AM
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*DrewT*
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This thread is ridiculous.  Props to the thread creator for stirring people up
Oct 23 2007 1:25PM
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currentwestman
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any + karma for it??? haha
Oct 23 2007 2:34PM
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drewishish
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wow this is a sad day....
Oct 23 2007 2:48PM
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drewishish
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wow this is a sad day....
Oct 23 2007 2:49PM
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currentwestman
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im kiddin dude
Oct 23 2007 2:54PM
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