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Why do people hate hillary clinton

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beer.
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there's nothing wrong with her that I know of, pretty much your typical moderate liberal. people hate her so much, yet they have no reason. give me some reasons based on her policies/record/opinions that are valid if you hate her.

FYI my top 3 choices are obama, ron paul, and then hillary. I like edwards too.
Sep 17 2007 9:30PM
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Caveman.
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haha
Sep 18 2007 1:28AM
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Quinny
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"pretty much your typical moderate liberal."

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Sep 18 2007 1:31AM
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freestyler540
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ok, let me get it straight:
Half of you people hate her because she's a woman.
A quarter of you think that universal healthcare is a bad thing.
One of you hate her because of censorship excuses.

1.India was governed by a woman for many years, they did quite well.
2. Tell people dying for stupid diseases because they cant afford it...equality someone?
3.Most of you people have no fucking clue how stereotypical views of American society are true:racist, sexist fundamentalist right winged morons. No wonder Bush stayed in power, you elect people like you.

Sep 18 2007 1:50AM
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Caveman.
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I'm pretty sure everyone who said they hated her because she is a woman were being sarcastic
Sep 18 2007 1:51AM
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KLovelace
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that's nonsense
not as nonsense as hating her because she is a woman, but nevertheless... It may seem strange, but as far as I am concerned, Bush1 was not a horrible president, Clinton1 was good, i liked him anyway, and bush2, well that was clearly the most retarted mistake we ever made.. twice. who knows what clinton2 could be like.. whatever shes like though.. it should have nothing to do with who she is married to or what her last name is or whatever.
Sep 18 2007 1:55AM
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fukeneh
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can you comprehend that the war (and defense for that matter) is a very very small fraction of our budget?

you should look into programs like welfare as the cause of our debt becoming outrageous.
Sep 18 2007 2:19AM
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IcePointa
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lol, defense takes up over half the discretionary budget every year. Let me find you some charts..

http://thebudgetgraph.com/site/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2006/defense.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2006/tables.html

How could you call 500 billion very very small? It's amazing that people don't realize how much of their money goes into bullying the rest of the world.
Sep 18 2007 2:24AM
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Quinny
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Didn't I just explain that to you in another thread that discretionary budget is not the entire budget?
Sep 18 2007 2:26AM
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IcePointa
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The discretionary budget is the money that we have to spend where we feel like it is needed. Where this money is sent is sent is the primary financial debate in congress, and the first to see change. THE DISCRETIONARY BUDGET IS A THIRD OF THE ENTIRE FEDERAL BUDGET. And defense is in no way funded only through discretionary spending either.

Defense is more than a very very small portion of the ENTIRE budget and more than half the discretionary.
Sep 18 2007 2:34AM
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Quinny
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...and combined its still not a third of the entire budget.
Sep 18 2007 2:36AM
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.KYLE.
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so are you saying we don't need a military?
Sep 18 2007 11:02AM
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skiminnesota
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she will take this country strait down the gutter and tax us to death to fund stupid social programs, to get herself votes

Sep 18 2007 11:27AM
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ANARCHIST
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she wants to ban skateboarding
Sep 18 2007 11:35AM
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skiminnesota
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alias?????

Sep 18 2007 11:38AM
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ANARCHIST
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this was back in January

go look it up
Sep 18 2007 11:57AM
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IcePointa
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If we weren't total morons we wouldn't need one bigger than the next 14 combined. Just think about it for a minute.
Sep 18 2007 12:59PM
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beer.
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nope, welfare was drastically slashed under clinton to appease conservatives and also because we were doing so well there wasnt as much need for it.

welfare is NOTHING compared to our defense budget. do you know anything about america? jesus there are some ignorant people, please go get at least somewhat informed on the world.
Sep 18 2007 1:01PM
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beer.
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No. go learn.
Sep 18 2007 1:03PM
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Quinny
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I know plenty. And the fact that you refer to Hillary as "moderate" anything is hilarious. You think the government overspends now? I'd like to see what happens if that moron got elected.
Sep 18 2007 1:10PM
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IcePointa
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You keep harping on this notion that defense isn't quite a third of the budget. Yea, when you include social security and medicare, defense is 21% OF THE ENTIRE BUDGET.

But Social security budgets cannot be reallocated because people have been paying into it for years and if we stop paying that we're basically screwing them over.

IF we reallocate medicare resources hospitals close down, and we have angry/diseased/dead people on the streets.

So when you look at the part of the budget that we can actually allocate where we want it.

DEFENSE IS 41% OF THIS BUDGET.

No matter how you want to look at it, these figures are discusting and tell alot about the world that we've made for ourselves.

Source: http://www.fcnl.org/issues/item.php?item_id=2336&issue_id=19
Sep 18 2007 1:19PM
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Tom.
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Your not saying all the facts, according to your source, only 28% of the budget is being spent current military funding. The other 13% is from past wars.
Sep 18 2007 1:24PM
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Quinny
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God bless statistical manipulation.
Sep 18 2007 1:32PM
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IcePointa
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that 13% is from past wars that we're STILL paying for
Sep 18 2007 1:34PM
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IcePointa
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God bless not understanding what is being calculated
Sep 18 2007 1:34PM
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Quinny
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Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
Sep 18 2007 1:36PM
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IcePointa
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"What’s in the “past military” slice? This slice includes primarily the Veterans’ Administration and a portion of the interest paid on the federal debt.

This slice is where some of the big differences between FCNL’s analysis and those of other groups arise. FCNL calculates the portion of the debt due to military spending by accumulating, year to year, the portion of each year’s budget that went to military spending. We don’t assume that the deficit would not have existed if military spending had been lower – we simply add up how much was added to the debt each year and allocate the percentage that was spent on the military that year. FCNL’s current calculations show about 47% of the debt is due to past military spending."

...Please read, and try to understand, thanks.
Sep 18 2007 1:38PM
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.KYLE.
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Pres Bush was just listing to Bill Clinton when he said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. and that Iraq needed to be delt with.
Sep 18 2007 1:56PM
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SkierX
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Hillary is a self-serving career politican, and a poorly constructed plan.

I believe that the current state of healthcare is in disarray. I currently pay $80 every 2 weeks for my healthcare, thru my employer. I am fortunate that my employer covers the cost of healthcare to a degree, as I cannot even imagine what it would cost to have on my own.

But I also live near the border, where I see the benefits of universal healthcare. Medication available to all, on an affordable basis.

A simple look at the price of a simple Allergy medication, Zyrtec shows the absurdness. 30 pills at 10mg each is $124 over the internet thru a US site.

The SAME product, available in Canada under a different name for the SAME quantity rings in at $22.

Also, here in the US we have no clear-cut and regulated herbal consistency guidelines. Many of which herbal remedies are suggested and offered by doctors in foreign countries as a more cost effective option, that have been proven in lab tests to be equally as effective, as typical medical procedures.

(PS- I have never seen the Moore movie on healthcare, these are my honest opinions that I have formed while looking at the subject)

So yes, the medical system is not as great as everyone makes it out to be. But Clinton's proposal does nothing to assess the real issues of healthcare in the country.
Sep 18 2007 2:22PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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because i believe in the free market, states' rights, the right to life for the unborn, and a non-interventionist foreign policy that doesn't make exceptions for places like sudan. i also think she's a self-serving political opportunist.
Sep 18 2007 3:34PM
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Hannah.
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im pwning u now
Sep 18 2007 3:50PM
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Shpadoinkle
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...because PMS and socialism don't go well together.
Sep 18 2007 3:53PM
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Worst.NS.Member
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India was ruled by a woman. However, that woman was a soft spoken, intelligent statesperson rather than an outspoken moron who is preaching the popular opinion to a nation of complete idiots. It does not matter who wins the presidency. Even Obama is pandering to the right with this completely uneducated rhetoric about Iran. My jaw hit the floor when I heard that.

Every candadite is an idiot.
60% of America are idiots.

Independant New England republik please.
Sep 18 2007 4:00PM
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jacqui-la-fripui
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i disagree

I am the worst.NS.member
Sep 18 2007 6:23PM
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Mr_Papageorgio
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cuz she has a vajeejee
Sep 18 2007 6:31PM
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currentwestman
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cuz if she is elected prez then bill clinton will have served 12 years so far
Sep 18 2007 6:34PM
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Shpadoinkle
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ummm she had the kajones in that relationship during the "clinton" years.
Sep 18 2007 6:54PM
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Alpine3
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i completely agree with everything he has said.

she has been the Senator of New York for a few years now. and what has she done??? nothing... i live in the state and she hasn't done shit. her congressional reccord is... welll there is none.
Sep 18 2007 7:31PM
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Caveman.
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she is NOT moderate
Sep 18 2007 7:38PM
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DeSena
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this is one of the more stupid comments on NS i have ever seen.
Sep 18 2007 7:44PM
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Elijah.
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You didn't address any censorship issues. I was just critizing her for that, I'd rather have Obama than her, but honestly I couldn't live with another republican retard in the white house.
Sep 18 2007 8:18PM
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Shpadoinkle
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you know bush was/is riding on the same exact intelligence that clinton had on the middle east right? what president has ever been liked during a time of war?
Sep 18 2007 9:34PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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ummm...are you serious? roosevelt for starters.


Sep 18 2007 9:51PM
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Caveman.
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well people liked the original bush for most of the gulf war, his approval was up to 90% when we were kicking ass. it was just at the end when we were pulling out that his approval plummeted.
Sep 18 2007 9:58PM
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AOTEAROA
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i hope hillary or obama win simply because i want a woman or a black man in office. haha stark but true.
Sep 18 2007 9:59PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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i hope to God you're not old enough to vote.


Sep 18 2007 10:00PM
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AOTEAROA
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I'm 22 but thank god i live in NZ not USGAY.
Sep 18 2007 10:05PM
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Caveman.
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Yeah thank god
Sep 18 2007 10:08PM
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fillup
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two examples doenst change jack shit

its been proven that alot of other countries have better healthcare
i didnt see it but supposidly sicko showed it


1 thing thats going for her is she is probably the only person running
who will acually know what to do if she does get office
she didnt sit home and knit while bill was president
and she knows her shit
Sep 18 2007 10:10PM
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fillup
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sorry for dub-post

but bush didnt win the political vote
he won the electoral

meaning more people voted for gore
Sep 18 2007 10:12PM
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.KYLE.
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well bush did do what clinton told him to


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"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -
-- Bill Clinton

So bush was the one to respond like clinton told him too, seems like bush was doing clinton's dirty work to me
Sep 18 2007 10:15PM
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