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Best sled (snowmobile) for backcountry (pow)

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Geonerd
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which is the best sled for backcountry and pow available?? not talking about money
Aug 23 2007 9:58AM
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MLB
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honesty, im really getting over this thread REALLY REALLY quick. Pretty much every kid on this thread including my self has proven that your a forum/mag reader.....if even that.

Actaully x-games have been dominated the past ohh 5 years by ski-doo. Not to mention regular snowcross series, also dominated by ski-doo.

What was the first backflip on a sled made on? Ski-doo.

4 stroke has a nice low end torque........BUT they are heavy as hell. Now for the people who really take their sleds into the BC will tell you right off the bat. WEIGHT IS EVERYTHING. Hell a well tuned 500 will out highmark any 4 just on that single fact. Not to mention that 90% of you people in this thread would not be able to throw that kind of heavyness around in a real mountain situation.

Like i said, the only yamis that are worth their weight are the older vipers, and the mountain maxs. Soo many after market parts, tons of guts. You could buy one for wicked cheep, and with the money you save tune the living shit out of it.

Now to the kid who posted this, if you really have to ask about what sled you want, andhave no idea......your really looking in the wrong place. You schould go to your local dealers and see what they have kicking around. Read some mags, talk to some real people who own the sleds. Like a brand new sled is probably not right for you, if you don't even know where to start. Like i started on a 2 stroke ski-doo skadic 500 work sled.

But it was a long track, tuned for torque, and could hold its own in any pow situation.
Aug 27 2007 12:39PM
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eljefe
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Assumptions assumptions...bottom line we've got the same AC brand loyalty you have with Ski-Doo...I even OWNED a Ski doo for my first sled and steered away from them.

Leave it to NS to start the hate though...
Aug 27 2007 12:43PM
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dmiller
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NOOOO, how many times do i have to say this? if you dont know that 4 strokes have absolutely terrible low end torque then you dont know shit about sleds! engines 101 - 2 strokes have good low end torque. 4 strokes do not. get it through your thick skull.
Aug 27 2007 12:54PM
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SNOWMOWER
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dude your faggot and i want to fight you....
Aug 27 2007 1:07PM
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SNOWMOWER
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i would love to taste your blood
Aug 27 2007 1:07PM
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SNOWMOWER
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"Kapuskasing Ont..."

thats right--- what the fuck do u know about sledding in the mountains....
Aug 27 2007 1:09PM
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SNOWMOWER
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wtf-- dude 2 strokes='s open throttle- High end


4 strokes = better low end---- Less throttle more grunt.....


u got is backasswards
Aug 27 2007 1:18PM
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SNOWMOWER
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that is like mistaking the ass for the pussy
Aug 27 2007 1:22PM
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dmiller
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^you are soooo very dumb.
Aug 27 2007 1:34PM
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dmiller
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two stroke engines fire every two revolutions of the fly wheel. four stoke engines fire every four revolutions. thus, if an engine is firing every two revolutions it accelerates much faster. know your shit fuck face.
Aug 27 2007 1:42PM
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dmiller
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http://www.deepscience.com/articles/engines.html

read and weap ya cumdumpster.
Aug 27 2007 1:45PM
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smokeybear
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bahahahaha, SNOWMOWER just got owned.
Aug 27 2007 1:50PM
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Switchin_Dirty
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haha sad but true...
Aug 27 2007 3:03PM
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SNOWMOWER
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i am not talking about power------ I am taking about torque fag face... 4 stokes have more low end than 2 strokes do...


4 strokes have better low ends and two strokes have better top ends....... so what the fuck?????????????????????????????????? I am not saying power-- 2 strokes beat 4 strokes once they get going...... but not off the line----------
Aug 27 2007 4:49PM
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SNOWMOWER
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or should i say they have more useable torque and less of a power-band.....
Aug 27 2007 4:58PM
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SNOWMOWER
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regardless i could give a fuck and if reply to this post your whole family is going to die in a car crash and then burn to shit.............................
Aug 27 2007 5:01PM
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SNOWMOWER
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u just got voodooed
Aug 27 2007 5:03PM
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SNOWMOWER
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my bad---- IF U
Aug 27 2007 5:04PM
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dmiller
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you obviously cant read. fuck your self. you got owned.
Aug 27 2007 5:17PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Poles or no poles guys?
Aug 27 2007 5:21PM
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Mahre
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you should have said this for your above reply. Ive ridden dirtbikes for a good 13 years. I watched motocross go from a 2 stroke sport to a 4 stroke sport, while i raced in it. You obviously don't know shit about engines if you say a 2 stroke's bottom end dominates a 4 stroke's. have you ever ridden any type of 4 stroke? i would guess not because you would know that a 2 stroke bottom end has a tendency to bog, while a 4 stroke will keep on chugging along. Go read some more shit, while I go out and actually do the things you know nothing about.

My dirtbike is a 2 stroke, my snowmo is a 4. I've ridden 4 stroke bikes, and 2 stroke sleds. Hell, I've got 2 stroke shifter carts. If you think I know nothing about this topic, then keep on selling me your bullshit. All I say is what I have learned from personal experience, where as you most likely read someone's opinion and make it your own. enjoy.

Aug 27 2007 5:30PM
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Sewardo
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wtf???
Aug 27 2007 5:31PM
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dmiller
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actually, i own a two stroke sled and 2 four stroke sleds. two strokes DO NOT bog down like four strokes. get over it.
Aug 27 2007 5:35PM
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Mahre
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hahaha alright dude. and why is it you always have to pin your 2 stroke to go anywhere? Even my girlfriend knows a 4 has better low end....
Aug 27 2007 5:40PM
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dmiller
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too bad your both dumb
Aug 27 2007 5:44PM
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MLB
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besides the fact that kapuskasing is responsible for over 30% of all sled sales for northern ontario, The various pits, and my trips out west.........well no offence i was raised on a sled.

Ive been riding snowmobiles since before you could probably walk. Thats how i know. Seriously. Everything you post, you have been proven wrong, over and over and over again. Your wrong in everything you say. Seriously, comeone up, if you will never keep up with me. Hell your M7 probably wouldn't even start in -50 cause it was tested in your nice hot test track. Made for winter dumbass, thats why ski-doo tests them in the coldest conditions. I trust my sled to get me home, and ive given a few rides to poor schumcks on the side on the pit beside there f7. Now, fuckoff.
Aug 27 2007 5:52PM
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eljefe
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You're taking on two different users...your beef is with ponds...who was not who you quoted just there...
Aug 27 2007 6:48PM
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eljefe
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Ah shit my bad^^^too many arctic cat fumes must've gone to my head...
Aug 27 2007 6:50PM
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SNOWMOWER
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the is the best thread in a while
Aug 27 2007 7:06PM
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DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX
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get a 08 rev 800 there the lightest sled outthere and they got plenty of powa
Aug 27 2007 7:08PM
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SNOWMOWER
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the XP is going to be in its first year of production...... If you want to buy this sled wait till 09, so they can work out the kinks....... Same goes for all new concept sleds.
Aug 27 2007 7:24PM
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ian_provo
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here is the thing with Ski Doo Revs ( or XP's): they have the best power to weight ratios on the market, by far. Lightest sleds on the market, making them extremely easy to manuever. Very reliable, if you have problems with your sled then your dealer probably sucks balls or you dont take care of your shit. Basicly, its best to buy a nice sled rather than a beater because a beater will cost you more money and problems in the future.
Aug 27 2007 7:28PM
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DANETRON
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are you retarded?
Aug 27 2007 8:49PM
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dmiller
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are you?
Aug 27 2007 9:41PM
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SNOWMOWER
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dmiller--- you know ur wrong
Aug 27 2007 10:01PM
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Geonerd
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fuck yea, u people have got some issues though ... thanks to all, and please continue discussing all that u want I'm out of here too, and am getting a Skii doo .... no, an Artic cat.... fuck
Aug 28 2007 1:10AM
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SNOWMOWER
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Get an Arctic Doo
Aug 28 2007 1:54AM
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Nadia.
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...or hey, you're lucky enough to get a sled! Sweet.
Aug 28 2007 2:21AM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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word
Aug 28 2007 2:36AM
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DANETRON
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do you know what happens to a 2 stroke when you ride around at low rpms? you foul plugs like crazy. and when you foul a plug it will run like shit. alot of mx riders like four stroke becasue you dont have to shit as much as you do on a two stroke due to the fact that it can be riden at a variety of rpms including low range where it has mad torque.You have no idea what you are talking about and thats been proven over and over
Aug 28 2007 2:06PM
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Ryanvdonk
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it was a exaggeration for dramatic effect, but in reallity he does more bc than 99% of this site.
Aug 28 2007 2:10PM
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SNOWMOWER
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somebody get this man some extra hair to glue to his balls
Aug 28 2007 2:46PM
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Geonerd
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So, I'm almost certain I want a SkiDoo, simply because they have service in my country and Artic Cat doesn't.

Now, considering I'm a begginer in snowmobiles, I weight 80 kilos (180 pounds), and want to reach high deep powder runs probably with a friend (can you fit two on a Summit?), which one would you recomend?

I don't want to spend too much, so probably I will go for a 2005-2008.

600 or 800cc?

150' or 160' ?

Any add ons?

Thanks in Advance

Apr 28 2009 4:05PM
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Geonerd
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of course I'm buying it for skiing as the main reason, not just riding the bike.

Apr 28 2009 4:08PM
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johanblaze
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Hahaha!
Apr 28 2009 5:10PM
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johanblaze
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Oh, and if I had plenty of money I'd love a 1000 XP with a 162 or is it 3?" track. Since I have no money, I have an 03 Summit 800 with a 144" track. Does what I need it to.
Apr 28 2009 5:12PM
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Trojan~Man
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ski doo summit X 800, long track, we own three there the shiit none of our friends can take the shit we do.
Apr 28 2009 5:18PM
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cdecski72
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I used this sled to hit to Chad's Gap in Colorado. Baby flew like a charm and handled even better in the deep pow

Apr 28 2009 5:35PM
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cdecski72
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Fail, but here it is
Apr 28 2009 5:38PM
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halVORTEX
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I have been racing SnoX for 3 Years now and just riding sleds in general my whole life. Everyone seems to have a favorite brand that they stick by. The fact of the matter is they all work, and the differences in performances really aren't that great and can be made up by a good rider.

I'm not sure what elevation you plan on riding at but in Alaska we have a lot of terrain that is at a lower level so you can get away with a smaller cc engine, as some of you may know as you go up in altitude you lose horsepower. I would recommend getting a 600 if you have never ridden before as they can certainly go places you don't want to be and will develop you as a rider so you can handle a big bore later on.

I haven't spent too much time on the newer mountain sleds since I have been racing so much but I did get a chance to play around on a 800xp summit back in march and I must say I was really impressed, it floated extremely well and was remarkably stable, I thought the side-hilling was okay not too impressed with that though. Overall a great sled. I was riding an older 2002 800RMK the same day with the same length track and there was no comparison. I have ridden the new IQ RMKs, M series, and the Nytro MTX. I liked all of them. My advice is to go demo each of them and pick what one feels best to you. Don't be afraid of the 4 stroke weight issue. If you mainly want to go backcountry so you can ski I doubt you will find a more reliable turnkey machine then one of the new yamaha's. I have a personal preference to Polaris since it is what I race but I'm not oblivious as to what the other manufacturers have to offer.

If you are going to go used, the same advice applies. Take your time and try all the different models, find what you like but make sure to check for the standard mechanical things. 1500-2000 miles is a lot for a mountain sled because it is usually a lot of wide open throttle running. Cracks in the rear suspension components, tunnel, bulkhead or nuns especially if your looking at revs. Bearings, if it has been greased, ask about the last time the shocks were rebuilt, and other general maintenance items. Buying a used sled can be pretty tricky so definitely be cautious and don't jump on the first sled that has an exhaust and raised handlebars.

I'd be more than happy to answer any more questions in this thread or PM's.
Apr 28 2009 5:51PM
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