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Rockered park skis??

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artfullydodged
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i'm looking into buying some this year, but i can't find any my size since the reno rockers only come in 181

i'm 5'6"
130lbs

do you think i could handle the reno? or is there another manufacturer that makes smaller rockered park skis? plaese list any rockered ski you know of that could be used for mostly park skiing

thanks
Aug 22 2007 1:23PM
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Gretchen.
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doesnt rossi make some
Aug 22 2007 1:25PM
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mophead
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this is so dumb, why would you ever want a rockered park ski?
Aug 22 2007 1:31PM
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chairdawg
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the skinniest rockered ski i know of are the k2 hellbents and they come in 169, 179, and 189 so those would prolly be best in park

Aug 22 2007 1:32PM
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BenJAMIN4aWhil3
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Um... because they are supposed to be amazing for presses and butters. You will begin to see more and more rockered park skis. Just you watch.
Aug 22 2007 1:33PM
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eheath
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Have fun landing big jumps and being able to pop...
Aug 22 2007 1:33PM
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BenJAMIN4aWhil3
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K2 Claims that the Seth has a small rocker this year... but I was in a ski shop yesterday and I was looking at the new Seths and I couldnt see it... I held it up... put it on the ground... put the two together... I could not tell that they were rockered.. the only thing i noticed was that there was a little bit less camber than my 07 seths.
Aug 22 2007 1:35PM
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artfullydodged
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rockered park skis are better for jibs and buttering. the rocker also makes them less stable on landings when your going big, but that isn't much of a problem for me as the biggest hits at my mountain are 50 feet and almost evry feature there is some sort of jib, so no, for my needs it is not dumb
Aug 22 2007 1:35PM
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XtRemE11
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landing big jumps shouldnt be a problem, as long as you land it somewhat well you can ride out easily. its probably when you are way backseat or something when they are bad, but then i guess you just have to ride out in a butter! and for being able to pop, after watching idea it seems like they could pop easier and higher on those than normal park skis
Aug 22 2007 1:44PM
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psychkub
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The mini rocker is only noticeable when you press the skis flat against each other. There's a picture of it on the k2 forums somewhere.
Aug 22 2007 1:47PM
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XtRemE11
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whats the web adress for the k2 forum?
Aug 22 2007 1:57PM
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Dan.
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just get an early rise like the ep if you must. a true rocker is impossible to carve, so no corks or anything. if you just want to get better presses and butters, why not get an elizabeth?
Aug 22 2007 1:58PM
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link80
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Moment Reno Rocker profile at tip:

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Base:

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True symmetrical ski: 117-90-117
Aug 22 2007 2:02PM
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XtRemE11
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that looks perfect, like not a ton of rocker so landings and stuff are easier, but enough for butters and stuff
Aug 22 2007 2:06PM
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ERIEcoastSKIER
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have they released the topsheet design for the rocker yet?
Aug 22 2007 2:10PM
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Ryanvdonk
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no they aren't. have you ever had a reverse camber ski? no, then don't answer it. they're better for buttering, but worse at everything else except pow. they have less running edge so carving goes out the window cause you slide a lot of turns, they don't pop, what you see in idea is that pep and andy have hops. they do wash out a lot easier on jumps if you're weight's not centered. and finally, hellbents are super heavy! don't get them unless you have some pow to ski them in.
Aug 22 2007 2:51PM
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artfullydodged
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how are the lizzies on jumps and rails? i'm on the EC so is 110 too much waist?
Aug 22 2007 2:51PM
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lt.milo
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apparently the reno rockers can really take the hardpack.  People said they were surprised that the edges could turn so well.
Also the reno rocker is not a flimsy ski.   the people who have ridden them say you don't even notice they are rockered until you try buttering or nosepressing etc.
Aug 22 2007 3:10PM
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Dan.
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they are an amazing ski for park, the 110 is alot at first, but the ski is so soft that you dont really notice. i'm in CO so i don't really know how they'd ride in the east, but for park out here, i love them 
Aug 22 2007 3:51PM
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pbandj
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^ i've ridden lizzies in the east and they're fun as hell, really nimble. but back to the thread i believe the reason they only come in 181 is because they're rockered they have a smaller running length. So the spin weight might be higher but you might be able to rock that big of a size
Aug 22 2007 4:02PM
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link80
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No. Its not finished yet. We plan to have it done within the next few days.

Also, the idea behind the Reno Rocker is to have minimal rocker to allow for carving on the hardpack but still allowing butters and spinning on rails/boxes to be easier.

Lots of rocker on the hardpack is just stupid.
Aug 22 2007 4:18PM
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WONTON
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rediculous, stupid, retarded. Get off the bandwagon
Aug 22 2007 4:21PM
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CorkWormTurn
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Why does a rockered ski all the sudden become easier to butter? Do all these kids think that because the tips and tails are already lifted a little off the ground, it will look like a butter even though they're not really flexing the ski?

I admit - I can't butter. I have scratch fs's and arvs. The arvs I can easily flex, but if I try to spin around, I wash out. That's my fault. But it seems really dumb to me that every kid out there is apparently going to *need* rockered skis this year to ride around the park. If you want to do sick butters - just practice - maybe skis that have flex designed for it (fujatives, invaders, etc) will help, but rockered? Gotta be unneccesary. I hope someone that knows skis better than I do can back that up.
Aug 22 2007 5:15PM
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lt.milo
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watch idea.  then come back
Aug 22 2007 5:16PM
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eheath
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No shit man, another shitty fad like tight pants.
Aug 22 2007 5:26PM
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lt.milo
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nah i see it like this.  most snowboards are rockered ( i think) and we have always been progressing towards them so it is more like the where skiing is headed
Aug 22 2007 5:29PM
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eheath
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You're a fucking moron.
Aug 22 2007 5:30PM
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CorkWormTurn
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how are snowboards rockered?
Aug 22 2007 5:31PM
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lt.milo
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you said its like tight pants, wtf! 
comon, pep fujas, pretty much the name of freestyle says it is the way things are going to be.
how many pros have made movie based around the fact that they wear tight pants?
Aug 22 2007 5:32PM
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CorkWormTurn
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so you're just mindlessly repeating something pep supposedly said? are you sure he wasn't talking about BC riding?
Aug 22 2007 5:33PM
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lt.milo
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positive, give me a sec and ill quote him
Aug 22 2007 5:38PM
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lt.milo
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FROM PEP:
Rockered park riding is the future. I'm talking prophecy yet I wouldn't have know it without having the pleasure of testing it first hand. I know I am one of the select few who have been able to ride park with rockered boards and I have to share this experience. It's hard to start to share all the doors that have opened up with this technology. Here are a few doors: Nose presses in the middle half of the ski, with bent knees. Butters where you can control the speed of which you rotate while being able to pop at any moment and control your direction. If you get off balance on a rail or landing, revert around or turn off the rail without catching your tips. This is just a tid bit to think about. The picture I posted is not a crash. Rockered park riding...BOOYAH!

http://www.filmtheidea.com/2007_01_01_fujasarchive.html
Aug 22 2007 5:39PM
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eheath
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I was calling you a moron because you were refering to how snowboarding is influencing skiing and we HAVE to do what they do. You also thought snowboards are rockered, which is completely false.
Aug 22 2007 5:42PM
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XtRemE11
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its not only that it makes it easier to butter, it pretty much totally changes butters, you can do soooo much on rockered skis that you cant do on normal skis.
the best thing for you to do is watch idea like that other kid said, its a totally new kind of skiing not just a new way to butter.
Aug 22 2007 5:43PM
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lt.milo
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ight sorry snowboards aren't rockered (i still think they are)
and yes snowboarding does influence us, we don't HAVE to do what they do but we inevitably do.
and yes i think that Pep Fujas knows better then all of us so read his quote and know that you wrong.
Aug 22 2007 5:44PM
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lt.milo
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sorry, but for emphasis:
Rockered park riding is the future. I'm talking prophecy yet I wouldn't have know it without having the pleasure of testing it first hand. I know I am one of the select few who have been able to ride park with rockered boards and I have to share this experience. It's hard to start to share all the doors that have opened up with this technology. Here are a few doors: Nose presses in the middle half of the ski, with bent knees. Butters where you can control the speed of which you rotate while being able to pop at any moment and control your direction. If you get off balance on a rail or landing, revert around or turn off the rail without catching your tips. This is just a tid bit to think about. The picture I posted is not a crash. Rockered park riding...BOOYAH!
Aug 22 2007 5:46PM
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WONTON
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yes its cool, yes it excels in certain aspects, yes it may be the future for those aspects, but no it is not the future of skiing or park skiing for that matter.
Aug 22 2007 5:47PM
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XtRemE11
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have you tried it? its not just another fad, rockered skis are going to stay, there is soooo much more you can do on them than normal skis in powder, i dont think we are gonna see alot of people using them in the park till they make some park specific ones, but its a new kind of skiing and it seems really fun. ive talked to alot of people who have ridden helbents and the two i talked to who had ridden them in the park said they were the most fun they have had, and they werent bad at all on landings, the only thing they dont do is pull you out of a backseat landing or something, but rails, butters, and jumps get sooo much more fun on them.

saying its just a fad is dumb, its like how everyone said no poles was just a fad.
Aug 22 2007 5:50PM
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punkrock32
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Rockered skis will become a much bigger deal in powder skis than they ever will in the park.
Aug 22 2007 5:58PM
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eheath
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I was refering to park skiing with them, i own rockered skis bro.
Aug 22 2007 5:59PM
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XtRemE11
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what about the moment rockered park skis? they just have a tiny rocker and are pretty stiff, so they are supposed to handle jumps really well
Aug 22 2007 6:09PM
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eheath
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I personally think it will be a fad.
Aug 22 2007 6:10PM
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artfullydodged
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i don't think so, i think it's getting a lot of attention rightt now because it's new, but once the dust settles, i'm guessing their will be a percentage of us who like to ride reverse camber in the park. but yeah it definately isn't everything some people say it is
Aug 22 2007 6:13PM
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XtRemE11
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i bet its gonna be like fat skis in the park, not everyone does it, but there are plenty who do.
Aug 22 2007 6:14PM
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pbandj
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soon its going to be fat rockered skis in the park
Aug 22 2007 6:16PM
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artfullydodged
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haha, Bibby was riding Hellbents at Momentum the whole summer
Aug 22 2007 6:22PM
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pbandj
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pep and andy were rocking them in the park too
Aug 22 2007 6:26PM
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AhrenStein
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i doubt rockered skis would have as much stability on big jumps. like i dunno if double flips would be possible on them. and double flips are the shit
Aug 22 2007 6:48PM
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cobra_commander
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has any one not said that a 181 rockered skis is perfect for some one 5'6"?
Aug 22 2007 6:58PM
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TannerCoulter.
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you dont have to carve to cork...
Aug 22 2007 7:06PM
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lt.milo
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ya i am getting them and i am 5'9
Aug 22 2007 7:47PM
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