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Obermann's Special Comment on Bush

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Melvs
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Watch this, I have yet to hear anyone put it any better.  Olbermann is dead on and I think this needs to be heard by everyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN-eGOtBGbg


"For you, Mr. Bush, and for Mr. Cheney, there is a lesser task. You need merely achieve a very low threshold indeed. Display just that iota of patriotism which Richard Nixon showed, on August 9th, 1974.

Resign."


Jul 5 2007 12:06PM
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Tasche
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Olbermann kicks some ass.
Jul 5 2007 12:13PM
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Mezmerize19
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wow that was intense...
Jul 5 2007 12:25PM
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skiierman
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Yeah and he's also the one who said that the students at Virgina Tech were the worst people of the week because they "allowed" the massacre to take place. That they should have taken down the gunman while he was reloading. I don't have any respect for that guy.
Jul 5 2007 12:36PM
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Worst.NS.Member
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I'm sorry but I've unarmed several angry people with guns who would have loved nothing more than to put holes in my body, and it really isn't a lot to ask. And these were kalashnikovs... The kid had 2 handguns. The fact that 30 college age kids were killed before the guy offed HIMSELF is insane.
I am not an advocate of violence but point a gun at my friends and it's all on.

1) Fire extinguisher
2) Spray eyes
3) Pocket knife/Pipe/chairleg/box cutter/hand/foot/teeth/shoe/anything ffs
4) ????
5) PROFIT

Olberman is a cynic, and a ballsy one, I believe he said what other people were just too reserved to say because they would be labeled as 'monsters' for suggesting that some 200 people should have put up some semblance of a fight. I'm sure I'll get flamed all to hell for agreeing.
That's the beauty of it, he doesn't care what you think, he just tells it like it is. And I couldn't agree more with him today, except that he should've been IMPEACHED without chance to resign. Resigning allows one to maintain some dignity, Bush/Cheyney are beyond that. They need some straight up seppuku to be absolved of their sins.
Jul 5 2007 12:45PM
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Shorton
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definatly

Jul 5 2007 12:47PM
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Worst.NS.Member
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His only issue is, he uses big words. The south/right dismisses him as a pompus windbag because he uses the word 'indeed' and so forth. Hes speaking to the 50% who already agree with him. What he needs to do is work on convincing the other half.
Jul 5 2007 12:48PM
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skiierman
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Like it is? What the fuck are you talking about??? He went into a classroom, blocked off all ways of getting out and did the students one by one execution style. There is no way in fucking Hell you would do anything aside from shitting your pants. Yeah that fucker can say that sitting in his fucking studio, but I'd love to see you or that sorry excuse for a human being take any kind of action against a guy WHO IS KILLING THE FUCKING PEOPLE NEXT TO YOU. Your fucking friends and classmates! There is no way that you would have done anything and you fucking know that. Oh a fucking pipe? chair leg? box cutter?! You sound like a fucking retard.
Jul 5 2007 12:49PM
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Worst.NS.Member
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You have 2 choices.
1) Get shot
2) Resist, possibly delay him killing you, possibly gain control of the situation, and possibly have a few more people jump in and follow your lead. You might get shot, but you and 30 of your friends have a pretty damn good chance against ONE FREAKING HANDGUN. One or two of you might go down but hell it beats 30.

aaaaanyway don't turn a good thread into a flamewar

Jul 5 2007 12:54PM
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Melvs
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uhhh... I think you've got him confused with someone else, like, pretty damn sure.  In fact, google returns numberous results about him blaming bush/ republicans (I don't agree with that), but none for him blaming VA tech itself, so ya... I think you're wrong.

And while I don't think Olbermann is the best person in the world, or anything more then a left wing pundit (which he is), what he says here is so true and it's refreshing to hear someone say it.
Jul 5 2007 12:56PM
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skiierman
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Oh yea I'm sure that's what the kids were thinking... you know aside from how they don't want to die and they want to see their family again. I'm not turning this into a flame war and even if it was, good. I could care less.
Jul 5 2007 12:56PM
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Worst.NS.Member
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He does have that segment called 'worst person of the week' though, would surprise me if he brought VT into that though.
Jul 5 2007 12:58PM
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Tasche
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false
Jul 5 2007 12:59PM
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Von
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You have to remember that he killed two students in a dorm about three hours before the massacre took place. I think its sick that he wasn't stopped by police or campus athorities and that the school wasnt in lock down.
Jul 5 2007 1:02PM
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Worst.NS.Member
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Yeah I aint finding it either, just that he tried to blame the rollback of the assault weapons ban in some way. Shrug. Who needs facts when you have the fury and passion of CAPS LOCK!!!
Jul 5 2007 1:12PM
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ThaLetterM.
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i gotta say...i dont understand why people view Keith Olbermann as this enlightened news anchor and then view Bill O'Reilly as this monster who eats babies.

I dislike both of them, but Keith is pretty much the exact same person as Bill. Both belive strongly in their opinions, both are douchebags, and both refuse to listen to anyone else's opinion. how are they any different from each other.

they are the same person on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
Jul 5 2007 1:37PM
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J.D.
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Yeah. That was such an asshole move on his part... oh, except that never actually happened, you moron. Quit talking out of your ass.
Jul 5 2007 1:38PM
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Melvs
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While they are both extreme left/right pundits, olberman isn't NEARLY the douche that bill o is.  I, as a left leaning person, tend to agree with olbermann FAR more then O'Reilly.  Olbermann here, as I said before, is dead on the money in my view, and from what i can tell, a large amount of others agree.  He is very good with his words and he puts together a lot of pieces of the puzzle into a single segment and does a damn good job of it.  Weather you like him or not, do you disagree with what he's saying here?  because I don't, I think he's right on the money.
Jul 5 2007 1:41PM
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ThaLetterM.
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im not saying i agree or disagree....what im saying is that they are both assholes, but Olbermann gets a free pass by the public(because of his liberal views) and O' Reilly is made to look like he eats babies.

my point is that they are the same person with different views and people should be able to see through that. but apparently they dont.
Jul 5 2007 1:44PM
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J.D.
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Here's what he ACTUALLY said.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/16387/1/Countdown-WW-VaTech.wmv

How's that foot taste?
Jul 5 2007 1:45PM
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J.D.
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Actually it's because he can write decent social commentary. Whether you AGREE with it or not depends on your according with his liberal views. But you can't say it isn't well-put if you have half a brain in your head. O'reilly, meanwhile, is both an idiot and a liar and has never said a single worthwhile thing that I can recall.
Jul 5 2007 1:47PM
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Worst.NS.Member
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How does a guy make it to 20k posts with that 'tude. Oh my name's up for rent if you'd like it skiierman! :3
Jul 5 2007 1:51PM
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Melvs
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I was gonna go into detail and say a lot more, but I have a lot to do at work today, so I'll keep it brief.

While Olbermann is a biased left wing pundit, and O'Reilly is a biased right wing pundit, in MY opinion, that's the only thing they have in common.  O'Reill has time and time been dead wrong on his arguments, used false facts, or tried very hard to tie a single event into a huge deal that somehow degrades all liberals.  Olbermann is not at all that bad, or wrong.  Biased, yes, but he is NOT on Bill O'Reilly's level.  No one outside of radio is.
Jul 5 2007 1:51PM
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Rez4frederick
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heheheh, Im stoked Olberman said this.  Things arent looking good for Bush and his cronies, not good at all. :)

Oh yea, Bill O'reilly is a fucking idiot who does not deserve to be anywhere near national media.  He is a complete moron
Jul 5 2007 1:55PM
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Worst.NS.Member
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people in this thread are all making logical arguments, but I would like to contend that it is easier to agree with Olberman because he is more respectful, professional, even when bashing someone. In addition, the conservative base has sponsored so many measures that are undeniably wrong and perverse, that the liberal standpoint is much more appealing. It isn't just the dems that think left, it's the entire world, and they have united in condemning our every action since the instatement of this regime.

Cheers...
Jul 5 2007 1:56PM
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mski
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Here Here! It is very true. Wit h that quote tho, " I didnt vote for him, but i hope he does a good job." seems to be what everyone is saying now adays. Bush really has fucked up, but we cant let some wacky left wing liberal come in either. Were in a pickle untill 08'. And the choices then dont even look that good.
Jul 5 2007 5:32PM
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Tasche
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foolish thinking.
Jul 5 2007 5:33PM
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[~_~]
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That will always be a problem though. Not everybody is going to be politically active or fully understand such concepts; yet, for some reason they go out and vote for whoever based on their poster-promises or party. Such blindness will always be a significant factor in politics. Theres nothing we can do about it. Its just just the south, its everywhere. Stupid people with power make stupid decisions.
Jul 5 2007 5:59PM
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Nicholas.
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i have such a hard time taking your serious posts in a serious context. (that was a compliment by the way)
Jul 5 2007 6:32PM
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Melvs
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Yet from my experiences traveling Europe a few times, people there are much more aware of American politics than we are as a whole, and FAR more involved and educated on their own politics than America, and this is a reason a lot of them disrespect us.  I've heard it from a number of people I've talked to, how blind and stupid Americans are towards politics.  It's scary to them, and it is to me as well.

A great example of how involved they are was this fall while I was in Budapest, Hungary for a semester.  Their president was caught on tape in a roundabout way admitting to lying about some things he said during the run up to the election (I believe they over stated some of the sucsesses he was responsible for).  They RIOTED for 4 straight nights, as well as a massive (I heard quarter of a million people, and protests are STILL going on today there, and will until he leaves.  Everyone in the country was aware of what was going on and was demanding he leave office.  Compare this to the how much we know about the Bush admin lying about the case that lead to Iraq, as well as everything else that has happened and all the curruption that we know about, and yet we don't do jack shit.  It's sad, and scary, that we sit back and let our country get shit on for 8 years.  We need to be sending our message more clearly... like this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FwB9pBG8QK4

A video my friend shot as I stood next to him.  The police line is in the direction they drive.
Jul 5 2007 9:26PM
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yeah thats probably the thing I hate about America the most. People think "oh what bad can come from it, a president is a president."

Well after seeing Bush in office the answer is simple: thousands of dead soldiers. Our families, our relatives, the people we care about merclessly being thrown at the most pointless war ever as if desposible. (even though all wars are pointless in my opinion).
Jul 5 2007 11:52PM
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KLovelace
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yes ive lived abroad and the whole world hates americans.. and whats truely sad is most americans have no idea why...
Jul 5 2007 11:56PM
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snwbrdmilf
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It's nice to see a mature thread on NS right? Brings out the smarts in people. They're my favorite to read.
Jul 6 2007 12:01AM
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ax_murderer
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fuck u liberals
Jul 6 2007 12:23AM
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MitchPee
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Your NS name should be prophet because you are all powerful and all knowing. Oh wait, no you just think you are.

A lot of people that hate America have no idea why...other than George Bush fighting for oil!
Jul 6 2007 12:25AM
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Tasche
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classy.

You do not know anything about politics or your world.
Jul 6 2007 12:26AM
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2+2=5
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holy shit did any policemen die or anything? they got owned
Jul 6 2007 12:45AM
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shagalabagala
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haha- and right after snwbrdmilf commented on how mature this thread is!


Jul 6 2007 12:53AM
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Quinn
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I literally hate you. You think you are some internationally enlightened goddess that claims to be aware of the ignorance of all those around you when in fact....if you could only see yourself from the outside, you are the ignorant one. I have liberal views and realize the injustices occurring both to ourselves as americans and to those living in other countries BY America, yet you manage to be a complete ass-hole about those views and skew them to create a completely falsified version of the truth.

And Olbermann, you rule.
Jul 6 2007 1:04AM
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Ryanvdonk
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umm, no, both the leading democratic candidates will make great presidents, the pickle is that one's black and young and the other is a woman. and we'll see if gore runs, that could be interesting. you have obama on one side who is a charismatic speaker that the american public can rally behind, but lacks the experience in the eyes of some people. hillary is incredibly smart and has all the experience in the world, but she doesn't have that charisma that obama has or bill clinton has. also, there are some stubborn ass sexist people in the south that just won't vote for a woman. gore is the wildcard, having already won a presidential election, and having an enviromental friendly view, though his monotone can put people to sleep sometimes.
Jul 6 2007 1:34AM
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Ryanvdonk
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whats really sad is how this administration has snuffed out the voices of common sense from within, people like powell, and even condi rice, and all in the name of self profit for people who don't need it to begin with. it's one thing for people from the upper middle class to support bush who gives tax breaks for their hummers, it's another when the very people he throws his garbage upon support him. i find it incredibly sad that the govenator is more socially aware than our own president. i just wish that pretzel had finished the job.
Jul 6 2007 1:41AM
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KLovelace
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hmm i dont know why i involve myself in these neverdning political discussions... i'd rather talk bout skiing anyhow
Jul 6 2007 1:43AM
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Ryanvdonk
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because it's one way to educate the ignorant masses of newschoolers about the current social and political climate.
Jul 6 2007 1:44AM
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KLovelace
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there is no educating.. only arguing.. everyone has their own opinion and no one will seem to rationally consider another's.
Jul 6 2007 1:46AM
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Ryanvdonk
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there's plenty of info to be learned, just because they don't post, doesn't mean they don't read it. and it's usually only a few stubborn idiots who argue against anyway.
Jul 6 2007 1:48AM
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zzyzx
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so true..."he sharpened our trust to a point and stabbed our country in the back"
Jul 6 2007 1:49AM
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Ryanvdonk
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and you can just think of them as neaderthals, they'll die out once the "ice age" is over like their inflexable relatives.
Jul 6 2007 1:51AM
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J.D.
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The biggest problems with democracy can be traced directly to a comparison between Bush and Hillary. Bush is utterly incompetent and irresponsible, but likable: a demagogue, and thus gets himself elected. By all accounts Hillary is very capable of running the most powerful nation on earth, more so than her husband, but she'll have trouble because her personality is grating and she's tough to really like. What a stupid way to decide the shape of the world, all this voting turned out to be. Not that it'll matter if someone gets into the electronic voting machines. Seriously, were paper votes so hard?
Jul 6 2007 1:57AM
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Ryanvdonk
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i guess it was if you're a senile old geezer in florida.
Jul 6 2007 2:00AM
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KLovelace
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has anyone seen jesus camp?? you all should.. it will seem much more relevant after seeing it.. nevertheless. bush's administration is run by born again christian zealots.. v. disturbing.
Jul 6 2007 2:00AM
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KLovelace
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yes
Jul 6 2007 2:02AM
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