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Panel of UK experts assess danger of drugs
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Weed should be higher than that. I know alot of people will try to quote a bunch of studies that show it's not that bad, but it really is. I have had friends who have become completely addicted to pot and just waste their lives away now. They used to do well in school but now they just get D's and F's. And they never can hang around people without being stoned, they need to smoke pot to enjoy other people. It's so pathetic and sad at the same time. But at the same time I don't really care cause it means that I will have less job competition! lol haha That's my little rant I guess.
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That's not weed man, that's your friends. It's so incredibly ignorant to think that since someone does a certain substance, that either determines their intelligence or the grades that they recieve. Smoking pot doesn't make you fail your classes, having not enough restraint to toke up 3-4 times a day and not completing any of your homework will cause you to fail your classes.
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thank you so much for saying exactly what i wanted to, I think it should be lower on the scale
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You two have the same icon so I thought you were the same people... and.. wow I was just incredibly confused for a good minute there.
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your friends must just suck ass at life anyways and it was probably bound to happen to them whether or not they started smoking weed. I smoke and my grades in college are awesome
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ecstasy is so low
and lsd
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What the fuck? Acid and E are better for you than weed? That's cracked if I did E as much as I smoke weed I'd be fuckin dead for sure
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that is screwed up, weed isn't that bad in terms of health
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The whole point of a scientific study is to correlate with, or disprove your anecdotal experience. Clearly this study of the topic has a far greater perspective and understanding than any individual could hope to gather through the casual means you eluded to. Succinctly speaking, your personal experiences have no authority to refute the conclusions of the study simply because your theater of experience two narrow to make even any comparison.
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Actually physical health wise, weed is worse than E because of all the tar that is brought in. If you don't exercise at all, it'll build up really quickly and be a bitch to get back to regular. Sounds dumb but the tar can be brought out, unlike that shit in cigarettes. Also if people think that you cannot create a dependence on weed is ignorant themselves. I'm not some guy who thinks everyone who smokes is a waste of life/hippies/stoner scumbags because a lot of my friends do it. A good part of them do become addicted to it and it isn't some peer pressure bullshit. They'll do it alone and it doesn't matter as long as they get high. Oh and guess what, some have been doing it for years and a few, including my brother, wants to quit but cant because he has the mentality that he can quit anytime. It's a BIG misconception that you cannot get mentally (not physically) dependent on weed. Here is something to look at; isn't it strange that when someone slightly mentions that weed is bad for you, all the people who smoke weed sometimes or everyday, are quick to try and rip that person apart and defend their precious plant? That's a sign of dependency. Again I've done it myself a few times a time ago and never knew what the big deal was because well... that high feeling, as good as it felt, wasn't my thing. I do NOT think anything less of someone that does weed, I do not care and I'm not saying that weed is some kind of, "do it once, you're hooked," because you can do it a few times and still give it up. It's the person that smokes it that determines how easy they get addicted to it.
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I have a hard time to believe that LSD is safer and booze
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Hahah, just buy a thesaurus or something?
By the way, Its an (expert) opinion based survey, not a scientific study.
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..and I think a lot of people here are unable to propertly interperet the meaning of this survey and why certiain thngs are ranked where they are.
Its purpose is to be used as complimentary information for redesigning drug scheduling information in the UK.
Obviously with repeated use, something like extacy caries more personal health risks than something like alcohol. BUT, to UK society, alcohol is a far more prevelant problem. More people use alcohol, and a greater proportion of people that use alcohol also abuse it.
The information is on each substance is based on harm to society as well as to the individual. Also they are only opinions. Take them as you will.
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Where are you getting your information about the health effects of ecstasy? I'm not sure whether you are aware of this or not, but the ecstasy that you buy on the street is very different from the drug that was evaluated in this survey. REAL ecstasy is a chemical known as MDMA and has little to no health concerns and is actually very useful in many psychaetric treament situations. (Such as helping those with PTSD)Most likely, unless you have a REALLY reliable dealer, the ecstasy that is bought is normally cut with either methamphetamine, heroine or cocaine. Now all 3 of those drugs DO have very harmful long term effects and definitely will be more hazardous to you with weed.
Also, PLEASE do not use that bogus study that was conducted that proved that ecstasy puts holes into your brain because that is simply garbage. The mice that were used in that experiment were given 100 times more MDMA per gram in their dosages than the average human takes, and they were given it MANY MANY times without adequate time for recovery in between dosages. Just my 2 cents about ecstasy.
Also, I am not very well informed on this topic, but there are many misconceptions with acid and the potential risks involved with it. You are not going to think you are an orange and peel yourself if you take 1 hit of acid!
Really all i want is for people to research this kind of stuff before they simply draw their conclusions based of anecdotal evidence that is given to them.
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hey! there is intelligence on NS after all!
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Are you kidding me? What the fuck are you on about?
First, anyone with even a pathetic knowledge of general fact knows the difference between the chemical MDMA, and the mixture of substances typically refered to as ecstasy. Don't feel proud for knowing this.
Second, my information? I do not describe the effects of ecstacy anywhere. I am simply stating a known fact that even most (intelligent) ecstacy users are aware of. Repeated use takes a toll on the user. However this was hardly the point or main topic of my post. I don't understand what's fueling your rant.
Third, the survey IS in reference to ecstasy, not MDMA.
It might not "put holes in your brain", but your post is certainly evidence to the contrary.
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Sorry if i misunderstood what you were saying. I was bragging about my knowledge either man, i didn't know whether you knew or not, you'd be surprised how many people don't know the difference in x pills. But when MDMA was first synthesized and was first given to psychaetric patients, they called it ecstasy, so MDMA is ecstasy. But ever since it's been made illegal by the government dirt pills have become so prevalent that it's is very very difficult to get pure MDMA in the US. I believe in the UK though, it is much easier, i think i heard that a significant amount of their pills are pure, but am not positive.
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this is like the 4th chart ive seen this week
they've all been different too
first off the tar in weed goes onto a larger portion of your lungs unlike tobaco smoke where it blocks a tiny passage so its hard to even be affected much
LSD doesnt cause harm to your body the only disadvantages are going insane or becoming a scitzo which is pretty rare these days
and im tired of all these stupid drug charts seriously google it and you'll find tons that are all different
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No.
Thanks for the clarification.
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I just think it's funny how bad of a reputation ecstasy has, especially in the United States. People die from alcohol poisoning and drunk driving every day, but i think the article said like less than 10 people per year die from popping x...
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i think it's funny how you think that your friends became addicted to pot...cause that's possible and everything
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thats such a great way of saying it.
sure, nearly everything pleasurble is mentally addictive (habit forming), from chocolate and sex to acid and weed, but theyre not physically addictive.
what ive found (and was said so elegantly by rodney marsh ;) ) is that weed makes you ok with being bored. you can watch tv or do whatever shitty menial thing you like when youe high and itll be fun, but you wont be physically addicted to it. ever heard of someone feeling sick, passin out, getting headaches or feeling feverish when they stop smoking? cos i havent. you might feel like tv could be more interesting or food could taste better, but thats about the extent of it.
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That wasn't me who said that man, in fact i was arguing with the guy who said that....
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You have to be an idiot to think pot hurts intelligence. I know a good 30 kids from Columbia University, and ALL of them smoke pot like its going out of style. They have a fucking 15ft bong called T rex for gods sake.
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its the difference between a MENTAL addiction and a PHYSICAL addiction. You don't get physically addicited to weed (like you don't have withdrawal, your body does not develop a chemical dependance on the drug) but you sure as hell get mentally addicted to it.
a good point was made by whoever said that all the every-day stoners always fire up whenever someones ragging on weed. thats because you are to some degree mentally addicited, and use more that is good for your health. you're in denial about this, and therefore feel threatened by anyone saying otherwise, so you try to supress all alternative opinion. which is funny because you'd think you'djust chill the fuck out and look at the evidence objectively.
not that I have much against marijuana. but. you potheads need to calm down for a second.
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Addicted to pot huh?
You really know what you're talking about!
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The kids you know have other things to worry about than weed. They are obviously not mature enough to smoke weed. During the past few months, I have experimented with weed quite a bit, smoking almost daily. It has had no bearing on my academic performance, and, granted it's not the easiest thing to stop doing because you miss the feeling of being high, but it's 100% neither physically, or mentally addictive. I smoke weed because it changes my perception of the world, and allows me to achieve a different level of creativity, and infuse emotion into that creativity. If you think this sounds "pitiful", put it into context. Without question, you yourself have done something, in order to enhance your performance in some area. Whether it be drinking alcohol to take the edge off of starting conversations, or even putting on acne creme, for clearer skin. It's understandable that you would dislike marijuana because it makes people you know become hopeless apathetic addicts, but that's not the weed, that is these kid's personalities
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There is no way on earth that ecstacy is less dangerous than marijuana. People die from e.
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It's possible that perhaps a huge majority of the American public drinks and a fair amount drink to get drunk. It's also possible that as popular as X seems, it's pretty uncommon relative to alcohol. Also, most people who have tried X aren't frequent users, they did just that: try it. That comment is like saying more people die each year from driving than heroin, so clearly driving is more dangerous.
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It's not a poor comparison at all man. Over 3 million people between the ages of 16-20 have tried / done ecstasy in the United States within the last year, with at a maximum of maybe 10 or 20 deaths? And a large majority of deaths related to ecstasy are caused by overhydration, where people hear all this hype about drinking water, which is important, but people do it way in excess and fuck themselves. 20/3000000 is a slighter better ratio than the thousands of lives that alcohol claims every single year.
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It's so funny to listen to stoners defend themselves. It's like battered wife syndrome. Keep going back to what beats you, huh?
I read all of your replies and none of them made any sense. Just smoker talk. I'll stick to being sober and you guys can stick to being potheads. lol
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Oh and the only way you could get me to even touch drugs would be to force me, which I doubt anyone of you will be doing anytime soon. lol
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And that is why you have no right to talk. I quit smoking green for three months, which was the easiest thing I've ever done for those who say it's addictive, because I thought it was hurting me... didn't change anything. Grades stayed the same. Athleticism stayed the same. Energy stayed the same. Until you've tried it you are naive and uninformed on the issue and thus have no grounds to make a legitimate argument.
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thanks for clearing that up, i was confused that alcohol was ahead of amphetamines
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i like how X is less dangerous than weed.
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Nuh UH! Exctacy and Acid and Marijuana are bad because the government told me. None of your "scientific studies" can change my mind, because the government never lies to us!
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This post went from good to amazing because your icon is a mushroom.
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i did that to but for like 6 months cuz i thought i was becoming mentally addicted and i needed to prove it to myself, i origionally wanted to quit for 3 months but then i almost like forgot about weed until about 6months later, then i was like holy shit i havent smoked in a while, then i smoked in celebration that i knew for a fact i wasnt addicted. now i smoke about once a week or so during school and like 6times a week durnig summer (i know thats a lot but hey its summer who gives a fuck i got nothin to worry about i smoke and drink whenever) but yea its definitly not adicting most of my friends have quit for like 3 month periods for some reason or another also
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yeah thats why i dont drink as much anymore, hangovers are shit.
i have not, however, had any problems with weed past thirst and dry eyes.
will it give me schitzhophrenia? maybe, but quite frankly im more likely to be eaten by a shark.
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This is of course assuming that you had "Athleticism" or energy to begin with. Which I would argue you didn't. Also, I am quite confident that college food is worse for your body than every illegal drug combine.
On a side note, disregard anything Pbski says because he can't do a rail grind.
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Hahaha, defintiely true for the college food, this shit is destroying me... and although I don't do a helluva lot, I'm relatively in shape nigga, so cram it haha.
As for the rail grind... no comment. I have some issues.
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Relativly in shape eh? Well... we will see come summer. Maybe ill let you hit my rail so you can do a rail grind, maybe even a 360 spin!
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Perhaps even one of them helicopters all those young hooligans are doing these days! With a backscratcher!
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those fucking faggot narcotics agents in america blocked the new list of how drugs should be classified because they dont want us to know the truth. this fucking country is like that simpsons episode where ned flanders is god
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also if drug sniffing dogs ever figured out what the cops were using them for i think they would turn around and bite the cops balls off, because even dogs have morals
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