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MSP straight up copying Level 1

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mattwalker
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I dunno, this should have been posted on this site by now, but I guess it hasnt... has anybody noticed how badly and blatently MSP is straight up copying Level 1 with the Keystone Crane Shoot.

Berman/Level 1 circa spring 06
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MSP circa fall 06
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now i must say, MSP's jump is a little smaller, haha, but its the same style (small step up) and its in the exact same place, on the same mountain, with the exact same crane camera, in the same place. Usually Im not one to hate on MSP or anybody in general, i really liked the PUSH trailer and most of PUSH, although I enjoyed LSS more... however thats my opinion, not trying to sway away viewers... but that copying is just pretty gay MSP... plus i dont know why your trying, Vanular killed that jump/angle better than any double flip can...
Dec 12 2006 1:26AM
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SteveStepp
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good find
Dec 12 2006 1:27AM
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Silence
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interesting and how lame on MPS's behalf..Level 1 so claimed that jump/angle..

And as you said - Vanular straight up owned that shit more than anyone could.
Dec 12 2006 1:29AM
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BK
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MSP is the lowest common denomenator in skiing.
Dec 12 2006 1:31AM
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cobra_commander
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Well I had seen shots like that before in some other movie before Level 1 did it, but i cant remember the name so really Berman does not own shit. and I really don't care whether film companies get copied, anyone can do it. not a big deal it's just not a cool as the first time it is done.
Dec 12 2006 1:35AM
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Ryanvdonk
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the angle itself reminds me of the wirecam that iberg used at hood in RFA.
Dec 12 2006 1:40AM
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ilikemuffins
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stupid litte newschoolers kids always over analyzing the ski industry. "mattwalker" or whoever you are, does it really matter? godddd.
Dec 12 2006 1:41AM
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trent-star
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Ur missing the point, It isn't simalure, it is the EXACT SAME
same Jump
same mnt
same EVERYTHING
Dec 12 2006 1:43AM
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cobra_commander
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so fucking what, if Berman can't come up with anything else he will have sunk as low as MSP.
Dec 12 2006 1:45AM
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cobra_commander
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and have you ever considered that maybe Keystone was the only mnt. willing to help set something like this up with a cat that has a crane arm like that,
Dec 12 2006 1:46AM
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trent-star
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^^^^^^^^^
U WORK FOR MSP DONT U.......
Dec 12 2006 1:52AM
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D-Sizzle
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yeah, msp is definitely ripping off L1. i mean, with all the jumps to chose from in colorado right now and the large number of snowcats with cranes mounted on top of them available to independent film makers, MSP is 100% intentionally bitting L1P's style.

seriously...."the jump is in the same exact place!"

no shit! it's called the park, where most jumps are usually located. that location in particular probably suits early and late season snow conditions because of some orographic feature on the trail....hence using it for a spring and fall shoot.

Matt, i think you're a cool guy and i usually agree with what you say on this site, but this seems slightly unfounded to me. besides, everyone knows that MSP is going to play the footage captured at this session at 1/10 speed, something L1 doesn't do.
Dec 12 2006 1:52AM
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mattwalker
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i am not trying to say that any angle from a raised platform next to a jump is "bermans angle"... remember the cable camera hanging thing that pollard did at timberline a few years ago, as well as the MSP heli shot... etc - all great shots that people remember by who shot them for which movie... also a crane has been used before, im just saying that those two are just stupid alike, same jump (style, mountain, place, run, camera and angle) and it was the next time a jump in that place was built.
Dec 12 2006 1:53AM
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duhamelski
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well it isnt really a suprise. msp cant think for themselves. but they bring to much money to the industry to really get in any trouble. they kinda have immunity cuase they are the biggest film company out there
Dec 12 2006 1:54AM
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cobra_commander
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No and I have not seen the last two MSP movies either becuase they are the same thing.
Dec 12 2006 1:54AM
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trent-star
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God, if this ever happend in snowboarding....... O wait, it wouldn;t they are original.... thats why r sport is so FAR behind theirs

OPEN UR EYES
Dec 12 2006 1:55AM
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cobra_commander
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Warren Miller is the biggest film company out there.
Dec 12 2006 1:55AM
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trent-star
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I mean think if Absinthe films and Standard Films copied them, snowboarders would rip on them SOOOOO hard,
Dec 12 2006 2:03AM
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mattwalker
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hahaha what do you think the point of newschoolers.com is... its to bicker and fight over the stupidest shit in the ski industry... thats why its the armpit of the ski industry. and the fact is it shouldnt matter, but it does. NS has gotten so big because it relates to so many kids, that companies have to deal with it using both legit ads and ads in the forum if they want to survive.(defending their names when little shits say they are copying other companies, also posting about promotion of their products, dates, times, prices using aliases) im sure you or west coast army are well aware of this since atleast one of you prolly works for MSP... i am NOT TRYING TO BASH MSP, they have helped our sport in the eyes of the non core ski market more than any other film company cept warren miller... im trying to say that this is a place to discuss stupid shit like this when you cant ski because u have school and its night and theres no snow outside, and Im just pointing out that MSP is copying Berman at this shoot.
Dec 12 2006 2:12AM
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cobra_commander
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I never said you were, but i knew some one was, and I am honistly sick of most ski movie companies out there and especialy sick of how it seems most of this site is always looking for an exuse to bash MSP while bending over for Level 1. And yes it is a place to discuss stupid pointless things like this, so I was discussing it.
Dec 12 2006 2:23AM
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mattwalker
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haha sorry, i was directing that towards the moose dude... you just sounded like you could work for MSP...which isnt a bad thing, you should be defending your company. and again, i am not bashing MSP as a company, im just saying that that shoot they just did looks a lot like berman's spring shoot. plus, you know MSP does just as much hating on Level 1... all those rail bashing comments... not cool
Dec 12 2006 2:36AM
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trent-star
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^^^^^
I agree with u there, everyone here LOVES L1p, it was a good movie, but to say that cory vanular had the section of the year is rediculous

Look at STANDARD FILMS DRAW THE LINE-----The dopest movie I have seen in a long time, snowboarders put so much time and effort into there segs, vanular didnt have one BC booter or Urban in L1p, and filmed for 3 days in a park and u are going to say he had the best seg. that is a slap in the face to any one that worked hard, woke up 5 am in the morning to build a bc booter, This is why skiers r so far behind snowboarders

NS, U SUCK
Dec 12 2006 2:37AM
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mattwalker
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the reason why vanular did his seg in 3 days wasnt because he is lazy nor a park rat, i thought it was because he was supposed to be filming with the bigger picture until he found out (a few days before the keystone shoot) that one of his contracts said he had to film with berman, so he had to get on it... i could be completley wrong tho... also, having a broken wrist for some of the year doesnt help.

i think pollards self edit is the best seg of the year...
Dec 12 2006 2:42AM
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Silence
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well said..
Dec 12 2006 3:16AM
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Swick825
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honestly- who in their right mind defends MSP? Theyre douche bags.
Dec 12 2006 3:41AM
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skier_boy26
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MSP has used cable shots and other similar shots before, such as in yearbook. Other companies have as well. But oh my, aside from the jump size and some other miniscule details, you would think it was the same exact shoot. But perhaps that is a tool that keystone has, but regardless, it is somewhat stagnate to use the same exact location on the same exact mountain with the same crane
Dec 12 2006 4:23AM
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thejackal1177
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msp has always kinda been on top with cinematography ill give htme that... but man its lame when they use the exact angle adn exact jump
Dec 12 2006 6:56AM
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Capurnicus
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That's totally retarded. Everyone's going to see that and be like WTF I just saw that last year. Cause they did!
Dec 12 2006 7:03AM
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whattheshit
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they should have a midget on a zip line holding a camera, that is goign to be my new angle.  no one better copy me.  and i have the midget on a trapeze patented too.
Dec 12 2006 7:06AM
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Silence
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fair enough..if you didn't, i was going to.
Dec 12 2006 7:30AM
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Snowcase
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It wasn't bermans idea to use the cherry picker. The mountain offered it to him. MSP has also been doing shots like that way before level 1 also.
Dec 12 2006 8:42AM
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jayamait
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yeah, does no one remember the T-Hall shot in Yearbook where it was over-head with a crane in mad slo-mo?
Dec 12 2006 8:47AM
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Dilla
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who cares, let's compare the 2 movies, and see who is more progressive and well done, and then judge this issue.
Dec 12 2006 8:48AM
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n-o
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o shit..... he's right....

i didnt know that was shot outta a crane but it was sick.. it was a switch 7 crouton, or japan i cant rmeber.. but it was the best shot ive ever seen .... ever
Dec 12 2006 9:03AM
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SN0WBOARDER
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good one
Dec 12 2006 9:06AM
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sherpasrock
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if anything, our sport is behind theirs because kids on this website (which is, as far as i know, the most popular website for freesking) use "r" instead of typing out "our".
Dec 12 2006 9:58AM
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armadajib10
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it was probably just the same shoot, just the angles make the jump look different
Dec 12 2006 10:13AM
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LPT_311
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How else do you want him to get the shot. You want MSP to get a heli to hover next to that step-up so they can be original??? Im pretty sure theres a wealth or originality from both companies. Id love to see Level one come up with some of the big mountain shots that MSP has produced over the years. Then again, id love to see MSP cover the Urban scene as well as Level 1. Its hard to compair the two, but to say its a blatent copy is kind of "gay" in my opinion
Dec 12 2006 10:21AM
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Ace3+4
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That's sooooo totally it
Dec 12 2006 10:22AM
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WIllW
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https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/265856/
Dec 12 2006 11:19AM
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johnnypsunami
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^ yeah i started pretty much an identical thread yesterday.
Dec 12 2006 11:37AM
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TimothyLord
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undank msp undank
Dec 12 2006 11:41AM
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fatbastard
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Does anyone realize that any crane shot looking straight down on top of a jump is going to basically look the same whether it's at Keystone, Whistler, Mammoth, Norway, Switzerland, New Zealand or anywhere in the world? It's not about what jump it is, it's about the trick and capturing it in the coolest manner possible that allows viewers to analyze what the skier's doing.

Yeah, MSP did a crane shot 3 years ago in Yearbook and they were sick shots and they wanted to do it again. Is there a problem with that? Oooh, but MSP has so much money, maybe they should just buy that crane and move it around to every shoot, since it's so easy to get a 40' crane up on a mountainside everywhere you go.

On this same note, no one better shoot the main Mammoth table from the gondola ever again. PBP did that 6 years ago. Or the Breck halfpipe from below in the middle, or the powder pillow atop the 16th tree down from tower 8 of the Kyzihiwa chair at Hokkaido ski area, or run a cable cam along any pillow line ever again, because Absinthe did it and now it's been done. No heli shots on any mountain that has been filmed from a heli, and no follow cams on any table that has ever had a follow cam in any movie.
Dec 12 2006 12:02PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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Shut up, who fuckin cares! You're splitting hairs like a lil highschool bitch that has nothing better to do. It's the same shot, we get it. Cry about it.
Dec 12 2006 12:13PM
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fatbastard
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I'll add that sometimes the angle and the specific jump matters if someone is blatantly trying to copy someone's unique efforts. That's lame. But right now, everyone's in Summit County because that's where the parks are. Keystone is going to offer up that angle to whatever film crew has the adequate insurance policy. So yeah, that's where you're going to shoot from. It's not copying Berman, they're copying themselves because they nailed shots with Tanner from that angle years ago and want to do it again. If they copied a unique jump Berman had built, there's a reason to have an issue. But it's your basic table that can be found at 500 ski areas.

Now that I think of it--Bushfield and Sarah B. had shots from a crane at night in Hit List, a year BEFORE LSS. Where? Keystone. So, did Berman copy MSP???? I work with MSP, and I don't think he did. It's just an angle of a basic table.
Dec 12 2006 12:18PM
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johnnypsunami
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^Berman filmed some sick urban all over the place last year. I think you guys should go find it and do it again.
Dec 12 2006 12:23PM
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flatspinner
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two words:

heli cam
Dec 12 2006 12:25PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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^correct
Dec 12 2006 12:28PM
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fatbastard
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Four words: Wrong. From a crane.
Dec 12 2006 12:30PM
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Rusticles
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That shot of t-Hall in yearbook was/is probably one of the best shots Ive ever seen even for todays standards
Dec 12 2006 1:15PM
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ilikemuffins
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Then you go on to say that MSP is copying Berman at this shoot.

So are you one of those little shits that you are talking about. can you even ski? who are you to talk? you're probably 13 years old...

I might add that this same crane shot, at keystone, was used during the snowboarder superpark, just a few weeks before Berman went there, on the same exact jump. So is Berman copying snowboarding? oh no!
Dec 12 2006 1:23PM
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