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Shane_McWannabe
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Personally I think that skiing should come up with names for spinning to the left and spinning to the right, like snowboarding has backside and frontside. Calling things unnatural is dumb, because eventually pros are gonna be throwing both ways just as natural. And also some tricks are natural one way and others are natural the other way. WE NEED NAMES. Later.
Jan 29 2002 5:54PM
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--J()nes--
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left should be backside and right should be frontside

Jan 29 2002 5:59PM
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haggisrugby
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agreed
Jan 29 2002 6:00PM
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Detective
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It is called backside on a board and frontside because they go down the hill sideways. Assuming that you are regular foot (left foot forward) and you take of regular and spin left, thats backside, spin right, thats frontside. The pro snowboarders CAN spin both ways just as comfortably, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the spibn is backside or frontside, it just means they are damn good.

As for the unnnatural debate in skiing. I think that if you are going to spin unnatural in a slopestyle run you should also show that you are just as good or better at spinning the other way. As for the unnatural debate in big air I honestly don't know. Jon, dave and I were talking about it and it's hard to figure out what to do in that case. Example: Cr's 'unnatural' underflip. He does them better his wrong way than his right way, so what do you do there???
Jan 29 2002 6:02PM
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Shane_McWannabe
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I know why it's called backside and frontside in snowboarding. I'm just saying that we need that in skiing.
Take CR's unnatural underflip, instead of being in unnatural underflip it should be a _______ underflip because it was natural for him that way. Later.
Jan 29 2002 6:06PM
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Detective
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But the problem is, he spins to the left 'naturally'. but in his 'unnatural' underflip he spins to the right. Are you saying we should have something that has to do with left side right side? and who gives a shit what way you naturally spin, are you saying we should have a name for left and right spins for skiing in general?? hmmmmm, might not be a bad idea actually.???
Jan 29 2002 6:17PM
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--J()nes--
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ya left spins should be called backside and right should be called frontside
Jan 29 2002 6:18PM
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Shane_McWannabe
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Yes, that is what I mean Detective. Later.
Jan 29 2002 6:19PM
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fakiedropdude
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my 2 cents:

that doesn´t really have a point.

they would have to score the same then. then there ain´t much of a point(except for your personal satisfaction) to throw something unnatural.

personally i´d rather see someone add an extra 360 and be as smooth rather than doing it unnatural and be as smooth.



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Jan 29 2002 6:51PM
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--J()nes--
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i think we should drop the whole unnatural thing because how are we supposed to tell if a trick done by a pro is natural or unnatural without watching other tricks done by the same person. also how do the judges in a comp know if the person is soinning nat or unnat? we need backside and frontside
Jan 29 2002 6:55PM
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Shane_McWannabe
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What are you talking about 'we have to score them the same then', do you have to relate every single post somehow to a competition.
I'm not talking about competitions, I'm talking about having names for the different directions of spinning because calling something unnatural doesnt make sense on a pro level.
Skiers are gonna be spinning both ways just as consistently soon, so it doesn't make sense to call it unnatural when spinning both ways will be natural to them. Also calling a reverse mute a 'wrong hand mute' is dumb, whats so wrong about using your other hand.
I'm not talking about competitions so dont post all that ' but unnatural should be scored higher' shit. Later.
Jan 29 2002 8:04PM
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freerider05
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true.... true...

friend: You went to the ski store? Whatd u get?
me: I got head baby.
friend-in awe-: FROM WHO!?!?!
me: the guy behind the counter, i think his name was matt. Ya well he seemed pretty cool, didn't do much talkin. Got right to business; helped me with what i needed. Damn was he a good one. He coulda sold me some 10 year old skis if he wanted.

J-Dubbs, rockin the head skis!
Jan 29 2002 8:12PM
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lineskier321
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in a comp, if people are doing an unnatural spin the usally raise their arm before teh jump. the almost always to somthing to let the juges kno that they are doing an unnatural. also the judges know before hand what way they natually spin so they should be looking for it

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Jan 29 2002 8:21PM
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Detective
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At US Open we had a sheet to list our natural spinning and grinding way. Pro's judge these things, and pros know other pros and how they spin, that's why it works for now. As for someone being comfortable enough that they can spin both ways, they had an initial way and I think it should still stay unnatural. but that is defiantely the next area of evolutionl.
Jan 29 2002 9:37PM
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StevePaul
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Personally I don't think unnatural should be judged as any more difficult in big air. All that should matter is how big, smooth, and technical the trick is. As for slopestyle and halfpipe, showing that you can spin and rail slide both ways should be a definite bonus to your score.

And for the naming of left and right spins what's wrong with saying left and right, backside and frontside doesn't make any sense on skis.

Jan 29 2002 11:36PM
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danwagar
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i think spinning unnatural is both harder and more technical and it should be judged acordingly. as far as the name goes unnatural is fine i say. because otherwise you have people spining unnaturally to the right, lets say a 7, getting scored the same as a person who spins to the right doing a natural 7. both would be backside 7's but they shouldn't be scored the same giving that they both have =style and what not. so then in comps we would have to say for a person who is normaly spining left backside unnaturaly 7 and for a
person who is normaly spining right just a backside 7? i hope that all made sence.
Jan 29 2002 11:45PM
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xdream1328
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In my opinion spinning to the left should be calld backside and to the right should be a frontside spin.




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Jan 30 2002 6:29AM
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fakiedropdude
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>>>>SHANE

my point was just, besides competition, why do you have to call different names.

the thing is on snowboard left and right looks different, opn skiing it looks the same so there´really no point saying he did a backside 540 tail or frontside 540 tail when thr tricks are equally hard and looks exactly the same.





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Jan 30 2002 10:40AM
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Downtofilm
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YOU SIR ARE CORRECT
Aug 19 2011 3:53AM
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razors-chaz
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This thread needs to be clarified as being the OP is from 2002 before somebody gets riled up about it. In relation to the thread i think the unat/nat things works but for comps you define whether left is nat or unat unless its like x games or otger big comps where they should just know about the riders
Aug 19 2011 4:38AM
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I_Am_Mod
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imho backside and frontside spins are only relevant when doing rotations on rails, ie if your right foot is forward and you spin clockwise, it's backside, if you spin counterclockwise its frontside
if your tips spin over the rail in such a way that at one point your back is facing downhill and your tips uphill, it's a blindside spin....

as for jumps imho theres only natural (your personal favorite spinning direction) and unnatural ....
Aug 19 2011 5:53AM
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Jpurd
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yah this
Aug 19 2011 6:51AM
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Newschool_Pope
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i dont get it. why do you need more names than simply left or right side? it best describes the trick thrown. eg.: right 9 or left 9 serves the deal perfectly. no need for more stupid/confusing names... imo.
Aug 19 2011 7:18AM
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k-fred
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were saying unnatural just to tell you that weve done a trick on the side that were not comfotable with,how could you know that im not comfortable if i thrown a right 900 and you dont know wich side is my natural?
Aug 19 2011 7:30AM
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youngdtay
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they should call it left and right
Aug 19 2011 4:44PM
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Inline.
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oh jesus
Aug 19 2011 4:47PM
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jason...
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leftside and rightside...?
Aug 19 2011 5:37PM
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jason...
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theres a lot of tricks in snowboarding and skateboarding that come easier switch, or come easier switch though also, so the same principle applies there. and if you're regs and you spin left off a jump that would be frontside, way to screw up a good example.
Aug 19 2011 5:40PM
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jason...
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and fuck me for not reading the date of this thread.
Aug 19 2011 5:41PM
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Tanner-D
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how about just left side and right side
Aug 20 2011 1:23AM
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egg.
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eh...
Aug 20 2011 1:25AM
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Stose
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You beat me to it! but seriously, just right side and left side is all we need to say

Aug 20 2011 1:32AM
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array.
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i call it unatty, i think it sounds pretty good.
Aug 20 2011 1:39AM
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Myfirstname.
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this.
Aug 20 2011 1:41AM
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Tremblantskier
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Saying unnatural is awkward but its been part of the sport for a decade. Unnatty is pretty much the best way to put it, I don't see why we should fall inline with snowboarding.
Aug 20 2011 2:12AM
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DripDrop
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We should go for something completely nonsensical for this, kind of like the K-fed.  Therefore spinning left is now called passion, and right will be fury. The two go hand in hand.  Like Ying and Yang
Aug 20 2011 2:33AM
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I_Am_Mod
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and corks will now be called "cosmic breezes"
misties will be "patchulies",
rodeos will be called "moon beams"
Flatspin will be called "astral rainbows"
etc....

so a left side cork 9 will now be called a "passionate ninefold cosmic breeze"
or a right side flatspin 7 will now be called a "furious septuple astral rainbow"
etc....
Aug 20 2011 6:24AM
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TheGnarwhal
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What's wrong with left and right?

Aug 20 2011 9:30AM
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crab_pretzel
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umm, im pretty sure you got it backwards. and i know its an old thread, and just to throw in my two cents, i think leftside and rightside are good
Aug 20 2011 9:53AM
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jibbpeter
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i have allways called sw unatti cab.
Aug 20 2011 9:54AM
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THUGwife
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the point of unnatural is that its more difficult, like scoring with your left foot. Just labeling spins backside or frontside for no reason is unhelpful. judges need to know which way a rider spins to judge them appropriately. it just so happens that our sport is orientated quite differently to snowboarding so really it is not useful to try and rename things.
Aug 20 2011 10:19AM
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OldDirtyPete
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Left should be Westside and right should be Eastside. LIke, "Yo, check out that East cork 9!" or "The was a dope west flat 5" I know OP porbly died of old age a long time ago but that's what grinding my gears.
Aug 20 2011 2:40PM
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altadonkeys
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We have names already. They're called "left" and "right". :)
Aug 20 2011 3:30PM
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Ruffles
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In comps i dont think they care which is your natural spinning direction but more that you can spin well in both directions.
Aug 20 2011 4:14PM
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