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NH_LiNe
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Might be a dumb question to some but I always have a shop do it for me, this year I'm poor and the mountain opens tomorrow so i'm just going to do it myself. I weigh 180 pounds and i'm 6'2" id say im somewhat advanced by now so id definately want them set as high as recommended... any oppinions as to what i should set my din as this year?
thankks
Nov 23 2006 12:18PM
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chairdawg
Posts: 1422 - Karma: 36
i would say to set them at 8 or 9 thats what my friend has it as hes 155pounds 6ft and has his at 8
Nov 23 2006 12:21PM
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*rkp*
Posts: 8198 - Karma: 257
yeah   like a 9 for sure.   and make sure to adjust your lateral toe wing things so it isn't too loose.
Nov 23 2006 12:35PM
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timoski
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dude you can never be too careful...it woudl suck to fuck oup your leg 1st day....i'd go 3
Nov 23 2006 12:42PM
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quebecfreestyler
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depends on your boot legnght.
Nov 23 2006 12:43PM
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oSe
Posts: 811 - Karma: 16
totally doesent depend on ur boot length, thats what the binding adjustments are for,.. the din is for the easy in which u release from them.
im 6' and 175 and i have mine craked to about 10
Nov 23 2006 1:13PM
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prosnurfer
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depends on what u ride too and how aggressive u are. i have mine at like 9 and i weigh around 130. and i pop out if i land swich off a big jump so just set em howeevr
Nov 23 2006 1:24PM
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quebecfreestyler
Posts: 13040 - Karma: 1,418
Someone who rides just like I do with a longer boot wont need the same din.

get your facts straight before calling out something you dont understand.

longer boots= lower din for same skier ability, weight and size.

someone with let's say 295 mm sole lenght will need an higher din then someone with a 349 mm boot lenght even if they are just as skilled and on the same size and weight range.


Nov 23 2006 1:30PM
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BillyMFBadass
Posts: 576 - Karma: 10
^hes right. the best thing to do is to have the shop set it up so u the proper toe height and binding set up. then ride them for a day and figure out if u are poppin out too much or not poppin out enough. then adjust accordingly.
Nov 23 2006 2:14PM
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mwagner
Posts: 274 - Karma: 4
Yeah if i were you i would listen to Cedric, he was in Long Story Short and is one crazy pirate mofo
Nov 23 2006 10:54PM
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KillerMonkey
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different bindings also vary. such as salmons need a little more cranking up then say looks
Nov 23 2006 11:12PM
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Swick825
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so true. im 6'3" 165 pounds and i only set mine at 9.5 because my boot sole is like 325 mm
Nov 24 2006 12:36AM
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jayrock
Posts: 146 - Karma: 11
he's right about the boot length
Nov 24 2006 12:40AM
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eyeLiektoSkee
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yeah have a shop do it and if its too tight or pops out too much just bring them back and tell them.
Nov 24 2006 12:47AM
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ck567
Posts: 65 - Karma: 10
Here http://ski.terrymorse.com/din.html I recommend taking a look into this site, find your boot sole length, determine your ORIGINAl DIN setting (I supposed you're type 3), and then since you're doing park I'd go around +2 (but don't really recommend going past +3 on your DINS) usually if you have a decent binding wich a good release system, +2 should work pretty good
Nov 24 2006 1:17AM
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oSe
Posts: 811 - Karma: 16
maybe your bindings are drilled to close and cant open any wider... yea then ur dint wouldent need to be as high...
or maybe you dont have the same skier ability as me and i like mine cranked to fuck because thats how i ski
i ride dirty and slam the shit out of it and need to keep myself in them orelse im gona fall on my ass

ive worked at several ski shops and NO normally you dont adjust your din by the boot length,..
unless you bindings are already set and u dont wanna redrill
YEA i kno my shit ive been skiing for 14 years trust me,... i know my shit

wanna fuckin quiz me?
 
Nov 24 2006 1:32AM
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Skiing_Is_Fun
Posts: 1463 - Karma: 91
tryin to catch me ridin dirty
Nov 24 2006 1:34AM
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oSe
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fuckin ehhhh
ridin dirty
Nov 24 2006 1:35AM
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Spitzer
Posts: 534 - Karma: 10
That made no sense to me. When adjusting DIN, it should be based on Weight, Height, Skier type, Age, and Boot Sole Length. The DIN won't matter until the forward pressure is set correctly anyways, so that's just as important as figuring out what a skier's DIN is. Neither the forward pressure or DIN can be set correctly without having the boot there.

So please explain how you would set the DIN for someone who's 5'9", 168 lbs, type 3+, age 52... without knowing their boot sole length. And when I say set the DIN, I mean by industry standards, not with some crazy gorilla math.

And if you really did work in several ski shops, then you should be able to pass a quiz about forward pressures, indicators, DIN settings, AFD clearance height, Wing adjustments, boot testing, reference torque numbers, in-use ranges, etc.

I don't mean to be an ass, but I have a hard enough time getting all my techs to follow the industry standard when setting up bindings. So please understand how I'm annoyed when someone just says that it doesn't matter what your boot sole length is to set the DIN. I can understand that in the end, it's the skier's preference, but NH-Line asked what the higest recommended setting is for him. Giving him an industry recommended DIN based on his settings would probably be a good starting point.
Nov 24 2006 2:58AM
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dlite!
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owned
Nov 24 2006 4:54AM
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fouldsys
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buddy its simple. the boot length is one of the most important factors when setting your din. the longer your boot the more leverage you have to pop out of it thus making it harder to pop out. and the shorter your boot the less leverage making it easier to pop out

and to answer your question sir follow this chart and instructions:

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Determine the type of skier, from one of the following groups:
I - Cautious skiing at lighter release/retention settings. Skieers who designate themselves "I" must accept a narrower margin of retention in order to gain a wider margin of release.

II - Average/moderate skiing at average release/retention settings. Skiers who designate themselves "II" must accept a balanced compromise between release and retention.

III - Aggressive, higher speed skiing at higher release/retention settings. Skers who designate themselves "III" must accept a narrower margin of release in order to gain a wider margin of retention.

Step 1
Find the Release Code (letter A through O) which corresponds to the skier's weight, as well as the Release Code which corresponds to the skier's height. If they are not the same, choose the one that is closer to the top of the chart. For example if the skier's weight is 175 lbs. (code L) and the height is 5'7" (code K), choose code K as the correct line of the chart to be reading.

Step 2
Make the adjustments for skier type and age.
The selecton from Step 1 is for an "I" type skier. If the skier is "II" move down the chart one code. If the skier type is "III" move down the chart two codes. If the skier is age 50 or over, move up the chart one code.
Note and record the final Release Code letter for the skier.

Step 3
Reading on the corrected release code line from Step 2, find the column with the skier's boot length.
Within the box which corresponds to the skier's Release Code and his or her boot length is a number. This is to be used as the DIN setting for the toe and heel bindings.

Nov 24 2006 8:13AM
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quebecfreestyler
Posts: 13040 - Karma: 1,418
I feel sorry for the guyz that were employing you cause opbviously you didnt do your homework to get your qualification to mount bindings. how did you adjust you customers din anyway??? without the chart??? you know they could sue your ass for that??


I've been working in a ski shop ea couple week per year or full time for the past 8 years and believe me, i mounted a lot of binding and got my qualification when i first got into it.

and i'ver been skiing for somewhere around 21 seasson so i might know my stuff too.


no need gto quiz someone that dont ubnderstand how boot lenght is important.
Nov 24 2006 8:22AM
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StuntCok
Posts: 125 - Karma: 22
serious question for those who were techs. Does it matter what you plan to do? At the extreme, if you were racing and any expected fall would be at high speed and thus involve quick, high torque vs. if you were planning on only sliding rails, which would involve slow twisting fallls would your Dins be differnent?
Nov 24 2006 8:33AM
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Smed193
Posts: 188 - Karma: 10
exactly, but with your height and weight, i'm guessin foot is decent, ur like same as me and depending on what i'm doin my din ranges from 8 to 10

but i also have a large foot, but i wouldnt go any lower then 8 cause i weigh like 10lbs lighter and pop out of that pretty easily
Nov 24 2006 8:51AM
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skidemon22
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that is a really good question, i would like to know the answer to this as well.
Nov 24 2006 10:01AM
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chickenwang
Posts: 5639 - Karma: 40
that because looks wont release sideways rite? say if u land around 630 instead of cork 7 and u land sorta on an angle the rear binding wont release unless ur like 150 and its at 5-6 this is wear the reactor was a good concept becasue it let both ur heel and two pivot sideways to come out in that sit. 
 i dunno if this is tru or not but thats wat the guy at the shop i get all my stuff from said and i trust him on pretty much everything
Nov 24 2006 10:08AM
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JibEarth
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mine are at 9 i am 140 5'7
Nov 24 2006 10:24AM
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skidemon22
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no, looks release sideways. they are the best binding on the market for that, actually. also, they are good because of their retention. like, the hell piece will twist, but due to its elasticisty it will hold u in, unless the fall provides enough force and your boots lateral travel is more than that of the bindings. 

that is also why looks/ rossi's are the best for non-pre-releasing  
Nov 24 2006 12:26PM
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navigator
Posts: 377 - Karma: 17
your an idiot. you have no idea on how to set your din. your din is based off of your ability, weight, height, age, and boot sole length.
Nov 24 2006 12:31PM
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chickenwang
Posts: 5639 - Karma: 40
yeah so thats why if ur din is at say a 5 it will take the force of about an 8-9 din to come out?
Nov 24 2006 12:43PM
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NoTeefa
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YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD
Nov 24 2006 1:23PM
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TimothyLord
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dank
Nov 24 2006 1:32PM
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-_-Johnny-_-
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If I were to set my DIN after the chart it would've been on 5 (I have really big feet). When adjusting my din I have this test, if it releases when I do a nose butter it's too low. cuz I wanna be able to do butters, u know. so after a few tests it's at somewhere between 7 and 8
Nov 24 2006 2:15PM
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Spitzer
Posts: 534 - Karma: 10
What kind of bindings do you have? Most bindings will allow you to increase the forward pressure a bit. Doing so will give you better retention without having to change your DIN.
Nov 25 2006 2:39AM
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WONTON
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dont do everything ur boyfriend tells u to do
Nov 25 2006 2:56AM
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Spitzer
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Yah, where you ski and how you ski will affect your DIN setting. Comps and races, nobody likes having their skis pop off at critical moments. If you're playing around in the park, it wouldn't hurt to have your bindings set at a lower DIN to protect your knees. Those slow twisting falls hurt like a bitch. Another situation where you'll want a higher DIN might be big mountain skiing, where losing your ski means you're gonna be stuck half way down the face of a mountain.

It is ultimately the skier's choice what their DIN should be set at. For those who ski in the park, race, or do lots of backcountry, they're usually knowledgable enough to understand the risks and benefits of adjusting their DIN to their own preference.

Can't stress that enough though, you gotta know the risks and benefits of cranking your DIN up. I love my knees, so I do them a favor and set my DIN accordingly. The only time I raise my DIN is if I'm pre-releasing too often or if I'm going to ski in the BC where losing a ski means getting stuck.
Nov 25 2006 3:05AM
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EheeB
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Im like 5'11 and i weight like 130. (Yea Im freakin skinny) I just hit the jumps and rales. What should i use as my din settings?
Right now im having 7
Nov 25 2006 6:00AM
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anna*
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behehe... i have a copy of that chart that i stole from work.
i change my din alot... i change skis alot... its easier than guessing and losing a ski on a landing because your din is too low...
Nov 25 2006 6:34AM
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Spitzer
Posts: 534 - Karma: 10
Would need to know your boot sole length... and your skier type...
Nov 26 2006 4:43AM
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Tbrody
Posts: 1597 - Karma: 685
To all those who know bindings:

I've got some S916 Labs on 182 Foils for park

and FKS 185s on 178 BC WRS's for BC


last year I skied at a 9 on 912's on 170 MSP's

for the skis, how should i adjust my dins

i will be skiing more aggressively and have gained maybe 5-10 lbs and an inch or so
Nov 26 2006 5:15AM
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EheeB
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sole lenght 337mm
Im like intermediate skier not really aggressive.
Nov 26 2006 10:48AM
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scofield
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no cedric, YOUR WRONG haha
Nov 26 2006 11:06AM
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psychkub
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yes, you need the sole length. I'm 6'2" 240 and have a 345mm sole length and my dins are set at 8 and am a type III. I'm sure someone with my height with a lower sole length would have a much higher din.
Nov 26 2006 11:09AM
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C-Burg
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i have one shop tell me that you adjust your din with your boot in the binding and another told me that you shouldn't put the boot in to adjust din, now which is it?
Nov 26 2006 11:15AM
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SkierX
Posts: 16253 - Karma: 538

You are soooo stupid.

You just talked loads of shit to someone who has been skiing longer, working at shops long, and who has a ridiculous segment in this years Level 1 movie.

And you tlaked shit, but don't know what you're even talking about.

Better luck next time.
Nov 26 2006 11:30AM
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quebski6
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while weight has a lot to do with what you set your din on.. another really big thing to think about is how agressive you ski and how strong you are... a friend of mine is only like 150-160 and he rides with his din on 12.. but hes a mogul skier and fuckin pounds it... racers can be light as shit but work the binding and have their din way higher than normal...
Nov 26 2006 2:15PM
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cgregg
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nothing to do with the thred but your pic thing is the awesome guy from aqua teen hunger force
Nov 26 2006 2:17PM
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Spitzer
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Your DIN should be 4 1/2 or 5 1/2... but if you're prereleasing then, you may want to bump it up a bit.

But here's the catch. Even though your suggested is 4 1/2 to 5 1/2, if you find yourself popping out too often, then it may be justified for you to push it up to something like 6.
Nov 26 2006 2:48PM
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Spitzer
Posts: 534 - Karma: 10
Adjust the DIN with the boot out of the binding. This is especially important for forward pressure adjustments that are made with a worm screw (such as Axials, Markers, and Atomics).

Adjusting DIN with the boot in your binding could screw up the springs. I haven't messed anything up yet, nor do I know if it actually will, but I'm not about to try it.
Nov 26 2006 2:52PM
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BurgRider
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I always set my toes pieces a little bit lighter.  they are at 7.5 and my heel pieces are 8.  Im 5'9" 150 and my shell size is 319mm.  I would say go with what you feel comfortable in.  you have probably been skiing for a while.  If I were you I would easily go 9 and up
Nov 26 2006 3:18PM
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