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lanks
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i wanna know what you think about this subject...is there absolute truth, or is truth relative to each individual?


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May 17 2003 12:25PM
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lanks
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good point

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May 19 2003 11:20PM
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skipimp_
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just eat more drugs, then you can figure it all out.

moose don't think killing is wrong, lions dont think murder is wrong, some mothers eat their kids, so what makes killing so wrong?



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May 20 2003 6:21PM
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mikee
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killing isnt wrong holy when did that become the subject. That has no realtion to truth.

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May 20 2003 6:22PM
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skipimp_
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truth, killing, same thing.



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May 20 2003 6:35PM
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mikee
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Well if you put it that way...

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May 20 2003 6:37PM
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lanks
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killing isnt necessairily wrong, but murder is in my opinion

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May 20 2003 6:38PM
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mikee
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that depends on context.

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May 20 2003 6:39PM
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Caden
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as a moral and nice person, i think it's wrong to take what life we are given. we have one life, not many, not few, ONE. what we do with it is our own choice. we are dealt what we have, we can't really exchange it, so think about your whole life. think about your thoughts, your actions, your entire existance. think about not existing now. the inability to think, or feel at all. just NOTHING. you would'nt know your dead nor that you ever existed, you'd be DEAD. now personally that scares the shit out of me, thinking that im already a quarter way into or so of what life i have.. now when it's over, i will probably have gained comfort in it, but murder is different(in my opinion). taking someone's only life, their one chance, their one existence is just something that should not even be part of our society. my view, so watever.


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May 20 2003 6:43PM
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J-Ho
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^word.... and again I would like to refer to math as being an absolute certainty but by using objects not number... like if I have 2 cookies and someone gives you 2 others you know for certain that you have four cookies(unless you ate one)...know what I mean...but I'm no philosopher type of guy so.......

Just a thought

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May 20 2003 7:14PM
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mikee
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No its not nothing is absolute certainty IM sorry. There could always be some crazy factor we dont know about that changes everything.

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May 20 2003 7:21PM
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J-Ho
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^true...but think about what I said about cookies and relate it to other stuff like it

Just a thought

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May 20 2003 7:25PM
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petek
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also one more MAJOR point, is that EVERYTHING is relative. The squirel has 2 more nuts, then default, which is zero. Everything is comparitive, which is why we use synonyms, antonyms, etc.



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lanks
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of course everything is relative, but that doesnt make it not a truth...if that made sense

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May 20 2003 8:20PM
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petek
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If something is big, its only big to something else in the persons mind, there cannot be an absolute truth, because not all minds are directly synchronized, (i cant seem to get the right words out...)



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B-Wald
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i posted that thing about how someone who lived without an contact with people/society wouldnt think killing is wrong because someone earlier in the thread posted something about how killing is wrong and that's an absolute truth..it was to support my idea that there is societal(i dont know if that's a word) absolute truths..but no absolute truths for all of nature..
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May 20 2003 8:50PM
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mikee
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holy killing is wrong is not an absolute truth plain and simple. ANd Im not sure but it seems simple to me. WHat you know and what you think is not the truth and has nothing to do with truth, its not what we are debating. truth is the truth, so it is inherently absolute.

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May 20 2003 8:51PM
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petek
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well a person who lived alone, wouldnt know what killing really is would he?



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May 20 2003 8:52PM
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petek
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Thats based on the new testament tho, which is why we consider it wrong today. But in jihad, its TOTALLY different



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May 20 2003 8:53PM
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petek
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and totally, there is no right or wrong, never was never will be. Whats right to us, is what has the least wrong in it.



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May 20 2003 8:55PM
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skipimp_
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holy killing?

this is a messed up world.

if my fish watched me kill and rape a 5 year old girl, what would he think. is it wrong to him? The only reason things are wrong, is because we've been told that they are ever since we were kids. Conditioning determines morals.



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May 20 2003 11:11PM
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coz
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caden - how do you know we only have one conscience existence?
May 21 2003 10:23AM
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petek
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then again a fishes memory is only five seconds, so it doesnt matter.



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May 21 2003 2:53PM
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skipimp_
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it's 2 seconds, and what does memory have to do with morals?


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May 21 2003 3:01PM
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petek
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think for a second, how can you have morals if u cant fuckn remember them.



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May 21 2003 3:02PM
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petek
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and absolute truth has nothing to do with morality, or ethics, its hard, blind, and cold.



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May 21 2003 3:03PM
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skipimp_
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no, since humans are trying to define truth, it becomes a matter of opinion. anything opinionized is only true if other people agree with it. you can say things are true, but you can't define absolute truth, only absolute understanding. That is the ultimate drug.

And it doesn't matter if you can't remember, for those 2 seconds or whatever, thats all you need to make a decision. only a split second.
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May 21 2003 3:13PM
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mikee
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The whole point of absolute truth is that you cant know it. Its not absolute understanding, that can't exist (well maybe it can... thats another debate) but the turth is the truth. Its inheretly true and therefore absolute.

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May 21 2003 3:15PM
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skipimp_
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says who.

show me who.

how can something exist without someone defining it and saying 'it exists'

I can say that there is a world where nothing grows but marijuana 800 million light years away. I say it, so it must be true. No one knows, except me. I know. In my mind im convinced, so it is true for me. YOu're trying to define something immaterial, something man created. It's the same as defining time. Time is made up, it does not exist. If it weren't for man, who would create time?

same dilly my man
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May 21 2003 3:25PM
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mikee
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WHat Im saying is the opposite from what youre saying. Even if not one human or person in the world knows about it, and it exists it is true and absolute.

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May 21 2003 3:29PM
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skipimp_
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naw man, I know what your're trying to say, if a tree falls and no one can hear it, does it make a sound? you're saying yes it does..Im trying to say you don't know. you can't say it does, you can't say truth exists. it only exists to you.
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May 21 2003 3:32PM
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mikee
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yeah sure, but thats just your interpretation of what truth means. What I say is corrrrect even if it is not what truth means in your eyes.

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May 21 2003 3:35PM
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skipimp_
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why? just because you say it's correct? just because every single other human on the planet says it's correct? no. that's not what makes absolute truth exist. It is not a physical thing, how can it exist without minds to create it?
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May 21 2003 3:39PM
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mikee
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Haha. It does exist. Lets say we were in the matrix and we didnt know it. We might not know it but it would be real no? (sorry for resorting to using a matrix analogy) And I can only debate a little more. I have to leave to go tramping soo.

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May 21 2003 3:41PM
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But coach Z, I don't understand!
May 21 2003 3:44PM
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Truth is constant, opinion is relative.
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May 21 2003 5:05PM
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there may not be an all-encompassing universal truth, but there are many 'truth fragments'. Undeniable truths such as: you need oxygen to live. Go ahead, prove me wrong. Each persons search for absolute truth is really a quest to find what common thing or things bind all the truth fragments that we know about together.

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petek
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What is truth tho? How can truth be expressed? Where are my keys?



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May 21 2003 5:37PM
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skipimp_
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the matrix analogy is all right, but you're not talking about realities, you're talking about truth. For something to be true, someone has to say it's true. not even say it, become aware of it's existence is enough. if there was no life in the entire universe...HOW COULD TRUTH EXIST. please think about it.
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May 21 2003 6:53PM
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petek
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that doesnt answer my keys question



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May 21 2003 6:55PM
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Caden
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sweetcoz - sorry it took long to answer... well really it's not in my interest what i do in any 'other life' because i wouldn't be conscious of it anyways. it's just like when you get realy really really really drunk and you dont remember it, to you it never happened. so imagine no recolection of what happened before drinking, and nobody to fill you in about what happened, then it's like a different person... but not really... it's not a great example, but you know what i mean. in my opinion, this is MY only life as this single individual who will ever be like this. i will never be the exact same, nor will anyone else(unless they clone me.. bastards... in which case i still wouldn't be 'me').. so as this life i live moves on, i choose to enjoy it and think of it as my only life. i can't say i know what will/has/could happen to me, i'm just saying i think this is my one chance, so make it good.


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May 21 2003 8:41PM
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mikee
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hmmmm, yeah ok I guess i was just mixed up in my definitions man. You are right, I agree.

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May 21 2003 8:44PM
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B-Wald
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good point petek..i just meant if no one told him killing was wrong..how would he know?..and why do you only have 19 posts?
i agree that a lot of 'truths' that people think of are just pertaining to things that are created by man..
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May 21 2003 10:03PM
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petek
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ok wtf? I had almost 3000!



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May 21 2003 10:16PM
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skipimp_
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thats what your get...it's the Arguing With Skipimp_ Tax
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May 21 2003 10:21PM
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petek
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i have 20 posts on this topic alone, but that would be pretty funny skipimp



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May 21 2003 10:23PM
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skipimp_
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dun dun dunnnnnnnn
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