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FUCK the ICER AIR

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4skizzle
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I just have to get this off my chest...

So I just got back from the icer air...What a fuck show that bull shit was. First of all retard Johnny 'dipshit' Mosley saying 'ooooohhhhhhh' every 2 seconds because his dumb ass couldn't think of anything else to say or how to articulate a trick or what someone was doing...i could have done with out that. Secondly, that jump was sketchy as FUCK. I wouldn't have hit that jump if someone pait me $100 to hit it. There was a 20 foot gap with a circus net in the middle. Hardly anyone could clear it becaue there was no smooth transition to the take off. It was inrun to flat to take off. Not a nice mellow inrun to the hit but a fucking 45 degree angle down to a flat then a 45 degree angle up...Try hitting a jump like that...you'll get crushed...Then there was the landing. It was pretty wide but this fuck tard (mosley) decided to set up cheese grater 2x4's on either side (presumably for people to walk up and down the sides). What should have been done was put up some baracades and some pads so people wouldn't go flying off and get jacked on the sides. I saw one girl skier (don't know who) slide about 30 feet down this sketchy shit and land full force on flat ass ply wood...These are just a few of the many fucked up things I saw at the 2nd annual (and probably last) Icer air.

here's a suggestion Mosley...Put a few more fucking minutes in to making the jump safer for people. Put a few more minutes in to engineering the sound (you couldn't hear a fucking thing the 'announcers' were saying) Mosley probably had a cock in his mouth. AND, lets see about not making the athletes walk up SIX THOUSAND STAIRS JUST TO HIT THE SKETCHY ASS JUMP YOU PUT UP.

that's my review...

PS J5 was sick as hell...

Peace

19 years ago
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offtrail
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^yup
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Digital_Dave
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Does that haterade come in any more flavors?

Sure, the event had some shortcomings but at the end of the day, there were thousands of people lined up to watch skiing's top athletes compete. I understand that people hold extremely high expecations for events and the terrain they comete on but you need to understand that this was a 100+ foot high jump constructed in the middle of a ballpark out of scaffolding and imported snow. Had this been Vail or any other resort I would have called shenanigans on the jump, however when you're in the middle of San Francisco at an MLB ballpark you need to realize that you're not going to get x-games quality terrain.

In closing, events like Icer Air are a great way to get people stoked on our sport and the upcoming season.

Time for bed.
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RudyGarmisch
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That shit was so badly done, and they almost fucking killed Kaya. Those bastards...
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TWoods
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Give me the same resources and I coud almost guarentee I could pull it off better than what was done. that was way lame
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Digital_Dave
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Wow, the hate here is strong. I have the feeling that nobody here understands what it takes to pull off an event of this scope and magnitude. You can't exactly waltz into an MLB ballpark and decide to throw down.

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offtrail
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ok, look, there are big ass scafolding jumps all over europe that are sick. this shit was schetch. the inrun had the craziest tranies i have ever seen. i can't believe people hit it switch. nobody wanted to hit the jump, with the exception of sean field, but he is uber stoked on everything. the gehetto ass landing claimed kaya hard core, and she got fucked up. they could have designed that shit much better. hell they almost called the shit off cause they were afraid the jump would fall with all the people on it. shit was supposed to start at 10am, and nobody jumped untill like fucking 1pm. there was a whole lot of fucking standing around and waiting.

all in all it could have been better, a lot better. j5 was sick. some ok shit was thrown down, but nothing that rad. the sickest thing i saw was either andreas wig's second jump or simon's front flip after the comp ended.
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TheQuailman
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i wanna see some pics or video of the contest, i looked on their site and there was nothing
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TONYDANZA
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You people need to shut up. Skiing in November, in a ball park, San Francisco. And you can do better than that. Yeah Right!
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EC123
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Awhile ago when the summer x-games were in san fran, I think 1999-2000, they had a scaffold jump which was pretty decent and 100% safer then what was built for icer. It may have been a little smaller, but it was legit and the athletes liked it. That jump/event was put on by ESPN and run professionally. Now 6 years later we have this Icer circus show last night.
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A_E
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i like johnny mosely
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396222687862
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the san fran street icer air was freakin sick. move it back there. i didn't see kaya fall, how bad was it. atleast make it safe, last thing you want is to be out for a season because some idiot didn't build a takeoff right in preseason
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nothanks
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Everything you said was really awesome, but that made me laugh.
19 years ago
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4ReeL_
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it seemed like a god idea at the time
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Aasert
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I don't see it necessary to build a jump that high, the landing are so fuckin long its crazy, they could have lowered that shit allot. And with a gap like that? you don't have allot to gain speed on either. "but its an summer event", look there is lots of other events like that, that have allot more safer jumps made out of scaffolding, where you get bigger airs etc. This is just another step closer to Aerial jumping, aggressive alpine skiing!
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Aasert
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http://freeskier.com/freeskier/news.php?news_id=700 pics
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bp.lando
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ya skiing a street in San Francisco was a fucking genious idea, and everyone looked like they we're having way more fun
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WONTON
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yes i believe even I could have designed a better jump.
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C.J.
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no that was fucking gay. No one can see any thing on the street. And you think speed on a ramp was bad it was 10x beeter then the speed they had last year.
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Billiards.
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they should have just set up some jibs at the bottom of the landing and had a rail jam. screw 900's or 1080's over a jump size they could pull off in a begginer park. Plus in rail jams theres much more room for creativity.
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espen^R
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ive hit better jump in the middle of a city, with an inrun from a top of a mall
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oakjewlery
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with that set up it a good thing they had an insurance company sponcering it
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Casey
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Can you get proof of insurance from... E-Surance?
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scientist
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they made some serios design flaws when calculation the speed needed to clear the gap. i mean, you should shouldnt be skating your ass off, then to a batmobile tuck, then haul yourself into the normal position after walking up 6000 stair with skis boots ect. just to barely make the landing. 5 out of 10 jumps were relativly cased. My solution would be shorter landing, use the extra snow for a better tranny, and slightly steepen the slope of the inrun. I mean, the furthest i saw anyone clear the jump by was travis rice, and it was maybe by 8 feet. No ones going to over shoot that. Next time higher a fucking physics proffesional for your plans. Im sure there would be some variables from your Xcore days back in the olympics johnny.
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danedegruyter
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yo stop bitching and learn to hit jumps.. its you park rats that cant his these things becuase you dont know how to ski.. yes FUCK YOU mosely for knowing how to ski and not expecting rats to come sesh the jump
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alev
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thats the scariest and dumbest shit ever
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C.J.
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I think I just sense some serious jealousy from those who did not go. It may have sucked on film, but it was so sick to stand at the landing and see you favorite pro like a foot away.

I think it was a quality event, with some minor problems with the set up. If they smoothed the trany, lowered/shortened the landing and raised the inrun it would be much better.
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scientist
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are you fist fucking me? Jon Olsson used to be a world class racer. Either way It doesnt take much skill to skate skate skate tuck. The fact of the matter is the inrun wasnt long enough and/or steep enough. shut your trap about all this "Learn to ski park rats, like me." I bet every single skier up on that scaffolding and borders to for that matter could ski whatever you can switch. Go buy a new beacon and ski some gnarly terrain that we obviosly couldnt ski.
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danedegruyter
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chill yo, it wasnt even trying to make a point even close to that.  what im getting at is he put on a fucking competition in november and all i hear is eeeeeeek it was too big! eeeeek it was too sketch!!! like he could have decided to not even have the comp but he did... why? to reach out to the community and make all you peope happy campers.  like someone said before in this thread, it isnt exactly eeasy to walk in to an mlb stadium and go oh shit we should have a fat fucking jump right here!  everyone who made this setup deserves props for making it and not get bitched for making it off proportion..
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scientist
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ahhhhhh. I see. sorry about that mang
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Craigskis
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Its reasons like this that people stop caring about trying to put events together, Props for the people that TRIED to put this together, It's easy to sit their and bitch and criticizes, but what have you done for the sport? It doesn't matter if you can throw a Bio 1080 or just a 360 mute in the park, Events like this promote our sport,

What was the jump not stezzy enough, Personally I wouldn't have tried to hit that switch for a million bucks, it LOOKS Narly just from the photos alone, 1 everyone hitting that Jump knew what they were doing, If it didn't have that take off gap I don't think people would have grounds to be complaining, even then they tried,

Personally I'd have rather seen a nice 1/4 pipe setup which has been tried and proven for good contests, Then Again, What have you done?

Lets hear someone say something good about the event, Sucks about the girl hitting ply wood, look back at old footage of the X-Games and Jonny goes flying threw some netting and a 2x4 at the bottom of an inrun, Shit happens & it comes with the Territory, and he walked right back up that ramp.
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RudyGarmisch
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I just cant believe they went through all that shit and didnt overcompensate the drop in so riders could actually get some speed and clear the knuckle. You would have thought they would have learned from last year, but no!

And the announcing... 5 hours of Johnny and Dingo being absolute idiots (btw, was Mosely drunk or is that just how he always talks?). Tony Hawk was the only one who seemed to actually have an IQ past 40.
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Smidt
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Why Didnt they Get jon Ollson to build the jump? it would of all been perfect
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stinkypoodangle
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i don't think johnny had anything to do with the construction of the jump did he? i heard it was someone from northstar that designed it. i don't know though. i thought it was awesome getting to see all of those guys ski even though it was on a sketchy jump a hundred feet in the air. That Dingo guy doing the announcing should be shot though.
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SnowRidgeParks
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word, and to be quite honest they didn't do as bad a job as everyone is making it out to be, this is a huge event to try and organize flawlessly... besides, this is how events get better year after year. if they have another ICERAir next year, which i hope they do, some of the loose ends will be tied up and everyone will be talking about how epic it was...
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bob_dole
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dotn hate on the dingo
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*GP*
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Van Valin held it down on the mic.
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skier_boy26
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i dont understand why effort should mean respect. It boggles my mind.

It was a great idea, don't get me wrong. When I first saw the design and plan back in the summer, I thought it had the chance of being something very cool. But as things started coming together, it became apparent that there were many flaws in how the was going to be executed.

First and foremost was the jump. There are many summer comps in Europe, and some use extensive summer scaffolding as well, but they are reasonable. Speed is always an issue when its not winter, or when youre dealing with limited inrun, that should be taken into consideration. Few cleared that gap with ease. Most were slight knuckles of doom. Imagine if the snow warmed up just a tad more. What then? Also, the safety wasnt really thought out well. Kaya went away to a hospital. It can happen with any event. But it shouldnt have happened last night; that was carelessness. Just everything about that jump was sketch it seems. There was little consideration for the riders. All they wanted to do is make a visually stunning jump, which they succeeded in doing. How it went down, at least to many of us, made them look like fools (not the riders, the organizers of the event).

Second of all, the coverage and announcing was probably the worst I have ever witnessed for an event like that. At least with Ultimate Bumps and Jumps (CBS) they had Mike Douglas pitch in for commentary, so it was so bad. But here, some dingo fuck just braindead about what was going on ruined it, then sprinkle on like 5 hours of Johnny Moseley blabbing away, who had about equal misunderstanding about what was going on, and it was a disaster. I respect Moseley for his abilities where they are strong, and for getting gold in '98, but for fucks sake he doesn't really have much of a clue about what was going on. This event was as much of a plug for him as it was for all the sponsors. Fuck that. Just trying to watch it, you wanted to choke innocent cute animals because it was so annoying. There was so much money involved with this, so things could have been much better.

SO fuck it. When you put people on sketchy ass jump, whats the point? $10,000? Possibly. Skiing in the fall? fuck they can almost all go where they want to ski. It was a good idea, just horridly executed.
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bret
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i think the argument about the sketchiness of the jump goes like this: yes, icer was a good event to promote our sport.  props to the people that put effort into it.  BUT, with a jump as unsafe as that one was, it could have just as easily ended up that our sport was characterized as a reckless circus.  a snowboarder fell into the gap in the middle, barely into the shitty "safety net" that they had finally agreed to put up THAT MORNING.  they didn't even know how to get her out of the net for a while cuz they hadn't planned on even having a net.  moral of the story is kaya got fucked and that snowboarder almost fell to her DEATH.  i can't think of anything that would have been worse for the sport than that snowboarder drifting another foot and a half and getting KILLED in front of those thousands of people.  the setup was just too sketchy.  it's preseason, for goodness sake, build something riders can hit comfortably, and they'll put on a better show for you.




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tahoearmada20
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On another note, I stayed in Tahoe and spent the day sliding rails and boxes on Mt Rose pass, we even built two lil jumps over some rock piles. 270's on and off, some backflips, a rodeo, 3's 5's and even a 7 were thrown. Best first day on skis for me inna couple years.
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$$SPINNERS$$
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i would have to say that the skiers hitting that jump have probably hit way "scarier" things than that jump. would you say pep fujas is stupid for jumping a giant crevas? and that he shouldn't have hit it because it was dangerous? probably not. i also don't see the point of slamming jonny mosley because he actually put his event on instead of just talking about doing something.

a lot of whiney bitches posting on here.
19 years ago
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squawskier
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yo the jump was sketch but it wasnt to bad. I only got to hit it twice but the onlice rly bad part was the transition. I liked the event as a whole and i thought it was a fucking crazy cool idea, they just needed to call up danny way to figure out how to make the jump.
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freezed
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I think the freestyle.ch jump was pretty much the same idea...imported snow and scaffolding. and that jump was way sick. the icer organizers should have like...you know...thought about the athletes being able to clear it?
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Prorider2themax
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i thought icer was dope. the setup was sketch and could have been done much better. the rider still stepped in up though and put on a dope show. i liked the setting last year more even though you couldnt see as well it was as fresh as it comes.
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Kungris
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They should have have put more common sense into the landing and the gap like "hmmm maybe someone won't clear the gap" and "what if someone goes off the sides into the stairs made out of 2x4s" I still liked how much free stuff I got though.

Kaya was an accident waiting to happen, she landed clean but ran out of room and ended up completly off the landing, sucked.
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RudyGarmisch
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Skiers do dangerous shit, of course. But this jump didnt need to be as sketchy as it was. For example - not putting padding over the 2X4's nailed into the plywood on the side of the landing.... what the fuck? When you do an event, you try to make it as safe as possible for your athletes, while giving the crowd the best show possible.

And I'm sorry, Mosley may be a good skier, but please, dont ever let him get a mic again. "Hey tony, do you guys put wax on your skateboards?" Augh!!!
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dylhole
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i would have gone just to see moseley in person
19 years ago
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dylhole
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and if girls hit it it couldnt have been that bad
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Jeff_Thomas
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By no means am I taking away from the event, or I hate to call you out on that...BUT

98, and 99....SUMMER x-games. 100 ft high ramp, big jump, some pretty sick things were done, specially for back at that time. I agree its rad that many people were able to view such an event, but better is possible.
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tahoearmada20
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The jump was designed by Chris Gunnarson, the man behind many of the best parks in the world, he also designed the Xgames course.
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