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albatross.
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The world of skiing is quite amazing, and the way we push the limits of rails can only be described as, uh, well I just want to hear some opinion, as this has been troubling me for a while.

How come we almost never see snowboarders or even rollerbladers doing whipped spins over 450 to rail taps? There is no argument in it being harder on a snowboard, in fact it would be much easier as they have more torque thanks to thier stance allowing them to spin even faster than us and they may land and slide a rail no matter what point in thier rotation they land at. I would just love to hear an explination as it has been killing me for a few days here!

Maybe the answer lies somewhere in where rails were originally borrowed from, or crossing the line that divides the likes of marc frank montoya from rob holmes?

Help me, NS intellectuals!
May 15 2006 1:03AM
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C_Ewart
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Maybe becuase you don't watch enough Boarding movies... they do em all the time.
May 15 2006 1:07AM
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Mahre
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different people grasp different aspects....why someone would want to air 50 ft to a rail, i dont know...but more power to em.
May 15 2006 1:09AM
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Desjardins
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i think its because they are more kinds of jibbing styles to choose from on a snowboard, they go from 50-50 all the way to blunt slides(somehow, but as for skiing, we have tail, nose and rail slide, thats why we do so many swtich-ups, spin-ons, spin-offs, because we only have 3 rail slides to choose from, so you have to try and find a way to be creative, and not to the same old thing. Also, snowboarding, like you said would be alot easier to do all these things, but they have so many diferent kid of jibs to choose from, so they dont need to do all these swtich 270 on 450 off, they can just go straight tail slide and it will still look good.
May 15 2006 1:09AM
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albatross.
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I have all the movies from the last 3 years and i see no cork 630s to rail tap.
May 15 2006 1:48AM
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Holte
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Skiers options on rails are limited to three grinds, sw ups, and spins on and off. And skiers have more options in the air than snowboarders because we have two boards to play with. so it only makes sense that skiers were the first to throw huge spins to rails and tend to do more sw ups and spins off. snowboarders can keep progressing technically without these things. Once they wear out what can be done on the rail, we'll start to see more huge spins onto rails, etc.
May 15 2006 2:38AM
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albatross.
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we have nose tail and reg slide because thats all anyone has bothered to learn (one footers aside), maybe if we didnt preoccupy ourselves with worrying about how many rotations we can do on and across rails, and instead think about different ways we can slide rails (in my case without a lifted foot, but if thats your thing please, do it!) maybe we would have something there?

I have a couple ideas, anyway.
May 15 2006 3:06AM
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Jib_This
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Tomskee, if you had bothered getting on the hill before noon today, you would have seen so many skier kids spinning like fuckin' dradles across the stupid fucking downbox, all in a sad, sad attempt at winning a bottle of sprite and/or a snowboard. I honestly kinda started feeling jewish with after seeing all that spinning.

Remember, this is is skiing. YOU MUST BE XTREME TO THE MAXIMUM!
May 15 2006 4:47AM
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Diego1712
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uh... what?

anyway, what about nollie ons?
May 15 2006 6:35AM
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Typical
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'more torque thanks to thier stance'

ahhhh hahaha.

study some more physics bro, skiers can def spin faster. Look at the Moment Arms, then think about it.
May 15 2006 7:15AM
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Typical
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actually... i take that back. that would be a good debate.
May 15 2006 7:19AM
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O-M
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max spin on a snowboard 1260?
May 15 2006 8:09AM
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mw1235
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you are stupid. rollerbladers do spins to disasters all the time. watch my intro, thers plenty of disasters in there, not to mention lots of spinning onto rails/ledges.
May 15 2006 8:58AM
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bpalmer
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Yeah dude I was just thinkin that. Rollerbladers do crazzzy ass spins. I've seen a couple 450+ spins to rails.

It is definitely not much easier to huck on a snowboard. I'd say its pretty even.
May 15 2006 9:20AM
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skiierman
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HAH! That's what you think son.
May 15 2006 9:23AM
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eastAR5
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snowboarders have better style than most skiers so they arent concerned with hucking 630s to rails
May 15 2006 9:25AM
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Matty.
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He mentioned that rollerbladers don't do 810's on to TAP the rail...rollerbladers do 450's onto urban down flat downs and ooze style.
May 15 2006 10:52AM
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RenegadeZ3
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It's easier to do huge spins on a snowboard than on skis??? you can obviously spin more the more penciled out you are, and snowboarders don't have that option. How many skiers do you see doing huge spins with their feet more than shoulder-width apart?
May 15 2006 11:17AM
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CKpolicy
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this is no quiz, you crook.
May 15 2006 11:52AM
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Desjardins
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you shouldnt care about what other people say about your riding, its your style, if you want to do one-footers go right ahead, but if your limiting your own progression by letting people tell you that one footer are gay
May 15 2006 11:59AM
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IHOP
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My guess would be that if you look back at when snowboarding and rollerblading were really starting to pick up people were just hucking stuff just to see where their limits in the sports were. I'm sure once park skiing gets older and we figure out our boundries we will see less "stunts" and more style.
May 15 2006 12:10PM
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psychkub
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In my skiboarding days I was thinking about how to make one footed grinds not only easy but stylish. I began trying to jib either in a "backslide" or "fastslide" position, with the other skiboard resting on my boot.... for all you rollerbladers out there, this would be the same as a christ grind. So in essence it's like a cross grab, but you're using the top ski to keep your leverage on the box or rail... I never really mastered it, but it seems like you can get low if you wanted to, since you would be able to support yourself with the top ski..... Will be trying it next season with skis.


If that makes any sense.
May 15 2006 12:15PM
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Desjardins
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very true, the only people that should get flammed are skiboarders and the occaisional noob
May 15 2006 12:18PM
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Static
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haha
May 15 2006 1:35PM
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delete2
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what a stupid thread
May 15 2006 2:10PM
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jsg
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what would u rather c?

a slow 270 disater to a slow pretzel 270 out, OR a super fast cork 630, or 990 to tap of the rail, sure the super spin is more gutsy but skiing isnt all about guts.
May 15 2006 2:25PM
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ESB
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The Gagniers have been doing grinds like that, look pretty sick in my opinion.
May 15 2006 2:53PM
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albatross.
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I have snowboarded before, its much easier to whip spins off small tables, its alot harder to keep on axis on big ones though.
May 15 2006 4:15PM
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albatross.
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aaand, please read what i say before responding. I said whipped spins OVER 450, and i said NOT OFTEN, Im sure somewhere in the history of rollerblading a guy whipped a cork 630 to rail tap but they dont do it all the time, in fact they almost never do it! 450s are commonplace but i included them in my statement !
May 15 2006 4:17PM
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Ahmets_Brother
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hmmm correct me if im wrong but rollerbladers have done 630s onto URBAN RAILS! 450s both ways are so common onto urban shit for them. hell they dont even need a jump for it! ive seen a ton of snowboarders do 630s on also. but snowboarding is progressing in a way that i like alot more than whats happening in skiing. but whatever, do what you want, be your own man. as for tech grinds, theres been alot of underground shit happening that peopel would call gay right now or they just havent seen it. like on a wide rail or narrow box ive been doing tailpress to backwards 5050 to nosepress while staying on the rail the whole time, onrail sw up in a few cool variations like snowboarding
May 15 2006 5:41PM
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skiierman
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Word, I've been praticing the strait on nose presses as well onto boxes. They'll catch on soon enough.
May 15 2006 6:22PM
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A_E
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how is this a quiz? and it definitly doesnt test my skill.
May 15 2006 6:40PM
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monkeysteez
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all the different skiing slides i can think of:
1 rail slide
2 lip
3 nose
4 tail
5 one footer
6 broken
7 busted (my own slide, front ski is in the nose slide while the back on is centered. gives you a very clean look on left curving c boxes if you slide right foot first. opens up to rotation off the box as well)
8 edge grind (inside edges sliding the rail)
9 50/50
10 switch 50/50
11 50/50 nose
12 50/50 tail
13 switch 50/50 nose
14 switch 50/50 tail

+ these slides can be done unnaty cept for the 50/50s
May 15 2006 6:43PM
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Sashac
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tom you smell.
May 15 2006 6:52PM
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chrismoJBEATS
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ding ding u win
May 15 2006 7:00PM
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psychkub
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Aw damn... so much for coming up with a new concept. heh.
May 15 2006 7:21PM
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Sashac
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tom! turn the stink down
May 15 2006 7:25PM
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dweezileast
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i totally agree
May 15 2006 7:39PM
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albatross.
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fuck i have every snowboard movie from the last 3 years and im not seeing any cork 630 to rail taps!

bristol, you know whats fun also is crooks (crooked nose) and salad (crooked tailslide), you can also do smith style slides if you angle your tips down and put your skis almost paralell to the rail while lipsliding hey. And the rollerbladers that do 630s definitley dont cork them and rail tap, they actually slide pretty far, and they dont do 810s or the new and more popular 990. There is truth in my words, stop being picky and give me an answer!
May 15 2006 8:05PM
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albatross.
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by the way can someone please tell me the snowboard movie where guys do cork 630 to rail taps, i went through all of mine again and saw nothing. The only movie im missing from the last 4 years is nixon jibfest and i think someone might have tossed a 630 to back board but im certain it wasnt corked and cant really be compared to the 50 foot cork 990 gap rails that seem to be gaining popularity.
May 15 2006 8:08PM
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-+Siver+-
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so well put
May 15 2006 8:14PM
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albatross.
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maybe we dont have alot of slides available because noone has really put time and effort into creating them, do you think the first snowboarders to start jibbing knew every available trick, or do you think they took tricks from the sports that influenced them most?
May 15 2006 8:50PM
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potatofarmer
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boarders are pussies thats why!
May 15 2006 8:52PM
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tjski
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this isnt a quiz man. maybe they dont want to spin that much onto a rail or maybe you need to look harder. (i would choose look harder.)
May 15 2006 8:57PM
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lalalalaura
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Exposure isn't being given to grinds that ARE creative. Of course kids are doing some stuff that would absolutely shake up what people conventionally think skiers are capable of doing, but that's no happening at every mountain.

We needs to be more excited to document what they're doing and uploads videos and pictures and every other media on as many sites as possible. Only then will it start to really really take off.

If skiing as a whole wants to step forward in a certain direction, it's got to take the whole movement with it, can't just be a few select kids stepping it. There's gotta be people leading the movement and inspiring a collective group of people, not just one or two...

so basically...

expose this shit and it'll start to go down. stop exposing stuff like the tricks that aren't aesthetically sick as fuck, and it'll stop going in that direction.








POST THAT SHIT
May 15 2006 9:44PM
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4frntSkier
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have you seen One Love?
May 15 2006 9:46PM
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EClay46
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and lipslides
May 15 2006 9:47PM
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albatross.
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there are no cork 630 to rails in one love.
May 16 2006 12:37AM
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Sashac
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stinky
May 16 2006 1:43AM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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Its because too many skiers are being influnced by rollerblading and not by snowboarding, skateboarding or surfing... sports with style.
Rails shouldnt even be the focus of skiing, backcountry riding, tricks and jibs should be where we want to go. Rails are fun and everything, but you dont even have to know how to make a turn to hit a rail and do a 270 switch up.
May 16 2006 1:51AM
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Mahre
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word
May 16 2006 2:09AM
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