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ski2824
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Time is an illusion created by conciseness; there is no time if no one is there to observe time pass. If a tree falls in the woods, and there is no one there to hear it.... When death arrives we part from our physical body and are no longer held back by the boundaries of time. We are everywhere and everytime. Collectively we form the entity known as ' God ', not directly affecting the Physical world but acting through coincidence under the variable of randomness forever reshaping the Illusion of time.
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Jan 30 2003 7:21PM
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PhattTim
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Of course 'Time' is an illusion, in the sense of minutes and hours anyway. It's a manmade way of measuring, recording and keeping track of things,

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Jan 30 2003 7:25PM
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NoTeefa
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i try not to, it gives me a headache

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FUCK the police

my intire crew waited for his ass at the bottem of the hill and beat the shit out of him. i broke his poles agianst a tree, and we snapped one of his skis. fucker got uppercutted so much. he was bleeding from his eyes and shit, crying like a little pussy. i busted out a body slam on his ass and broke both of his arms. the ski patroler broke up the fight and clipped all of our tickets. we where gonna beat the shit out of the patroller but my mom came to pick us up.
~mommy~
Jan 30 2003 7:27PM
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Sk3bUm
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i'm with k2skeepimp, my head now hurts
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Jan 30 2003 8:49PM
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gravteck
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This is one of the most retarded things I've read. Time will always exist. Time is just the human label. If humans didn't exist and the earth still revolved around the sun. It was still in succeeding positions and had a displacement w/ a respect to a certain instant displacement. That instant displacement is just what we call time. And a tree makes a sound when it hits the ground, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
Jan 30 2003 8:50PM
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wiener
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that almostt makes sense but the treee thing. the tree falls and creates vibrations that we here even if we arent there to hear it the vibrations still happen
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Jan 30 2003 9:04PM
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gravteck
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Yes simplified. When you blow a dog whistle you don't hear it. That's because it is out of the frequency range of the human ear. But dog's can hear it. So it makes a noise, it's not silent.
Jan 30 2003 9:10PM
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ski2824
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Yes Gravteck, it makes a sound but how do you define sound? It's just a vibration in the air. Without our eardrums to recieve it and convert it to a sound, it's just a vibration. It's the same thing with time, the earth is still going to revolve around the sun but if there is no one to witness that rotation, but who's to say how long it took? You say it took a year, but what does a year mean when nothing has a memory? All there actualy is, is now. Anything that happened 'yesterday' was just our memory of an earlier now, so what is the difference between past and present when there is no one to remember or record the events of the 'past'?
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Jan 30 2003 10:16PM
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gravteck
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Dude, all you have is a semantics argument, vibrations of air molecules and sound are the same fricken thing. No there is not just the present. In order for radiation to escape black holes and obey the second law of thermodynamics the radiation actually has to travel backwards in time. It obeys quantum laws and you can go read steven hawking if you want to know more. There is not just the present. Hyperbolic decay of organic entities is a function of time I believe, so time exists even w/o us here because there is a chance in the instance in the past that effects the entity in the future so it suffers from consequences of the time lapse. If an asteroid hits the earth it happened cause there was a past, not because it hits it constantly in the 'now.'
Jan 30 2003 11:11PM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
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I see what you're talking about how the measurement of time is a human product, like the length of a second is only as long as we decided it was - still doesn't change the fact that time is something independant of humans it will always occur though the way it is measured is completely subjective.
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Jan 30 2003 11:19PM
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ski2824
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the difference between learning and regurgatating is thinking for yourself. i'v read hawking, i'v read what books abou time and space and thermodynamics and quantum mechanics but it was just an idea i came up with, i like to keep an open mind and think about things for myself and think up theories of my own, not just read a couple things and keep repeating them in every post
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Jan 30 2003 11:24PM
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ski2824
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mike a seccond is still a seccond, but time is still relative to concousness. if your brain worked extremely fast, time would seem to slow drasticly. if your brain worked exremely slow, time would speed up for you. anyone that has studied time in any degree knows that time is relative, not a constant. if time can be distorted by speed and energy (which it can, check out some research), then who's to say whats constant without conciousness to make it so?
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Jan 30 2003 11:35PM
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gravteck
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Ok I am far from regurgitating information. I've had to critique a fair share of articles for my courses in thermodynamics and physics. There's a differnce between formulating ideas and having evidence to support them. I cite these other sources because there is supporting evidence instead of just some poor intuition.
Jan 30 2003 11:56PM
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PhattTim
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Yeah, exactly, it's 'relative', you just solved your own arguement dude. Time doesn't actually slow down or speed up depending on how you're thinking, it stays the same, it's an illusional affect on your mind to make it appear that it's going faster or slower when really it's not.

As for sound, don't be silly, of course the sound is still there, just coz you're not there to hear it means you can't prove that there was a sound but it still happened.

It's like saying - If there's a woman and she has an idea but there's no men around, is she still wrong? Of course she is.

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Jan 30 2003 11:58PM
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teneighty_skier22
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I'm going to go kill myself now.


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Jan 31 2003 12:01AM
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NoTeefa
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ya, pass the koolaid over here when you're done with it

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FUCK the police

my intire crew waited for his ass at the bottem of the hill and beat the shit out of him. i broke his poles agianst a tree, and we snapped one of his skis. fucker got uppercutted so much. he was bleeding from his eyes and shit, crying like a little pussy. i busted out a body slam on his ass and broke both of his arms. the ski patroler broke up the fight and clipped all of our tickets. we where gonna beat the shit out of the patroller but my mom came to pick us up.
~mommy~
Jan 31 2003 3:20AM
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PhattTim
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yeah, I'll get down on that too

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
#Cut the Jibba Jabba Crazy Fools! Start Skiing!#
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Jan 31 2003 5:17AM
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witchbaby666
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Jan 31 2003 8:59PM
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witchbaby666
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If Jesus had died in his sleep without an audiance, would we all be saved?

If a tree falls in the forest, doesn't it just lie there and rot?



America, we love you as the child loves the father who sits slobbering in his corner eating flies and spiders.
Jan 31 2003 9:01PM
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ski2824
Posts: 1786 - Karma: 18
FrEe ThInKeRs ArE DaNgErOuS -System of a Down
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Jan 31 2003 9:13PM
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PhattTim
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of course not. The whole point of Jesus being crucified and dying the way that he did was because he was killed for the sin that we all comitted.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
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Jan 31 2003 9:13PM
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c_lo
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this is a man who has his shit together. Time is a construct, like undergarments and garments in general, that inhibit us and our freedom. The industrial productivity of a country can be measured according to the accuracy of their public clocks (Zerzan The Pathology of civilization).
Jan 31 2003 9:39PM
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Ds91260
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i didnt try to understand cause im dumb, but did u say that if u were to die and no one was around to witness it, would u die? well yes, but there was a tv show about it once, and im sure its an urban legend, or a rural legend if there is such a thing
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Jan 31 2003 10:22PM
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witchbaby666
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I'm pretty sure you're a starfish.



America, we love you as the child loves the father who sits slobbering in his corner eating flies and spiders.
Feb 1 2003 2:01AM
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Faoda
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Time is just to measure how you spend your life. I think we should have a 48 hour day... like the song... but then again, these are the words of an insanely busy person.


I'm just not funny or clever.
Feb 1 2003 2:29AM
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PhattTim
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yah but 'time' as your thinking of it actually doesn't exist. It's merely an understandable interface to the changes from day to night on our planet. Time in a matter of hours and minutes is no such thing. It's a man made measuring system that we've developed to make life easier in many respects. Such as keeping track of our daily lives down to recording history and understanding things.

Time has been created by man. There is no 24 hour day really. We've mearly split the light cycle and rotation of our planet down into sections of 24 hours which are made up of 60 minutes each and in turn 60 seconds a piece. All measurement divisions that we have created.

Time didn't come with the planet. Only day and night. No time.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
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Feb 1 2003 6:01AM
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TAK
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The tree makes a goddam sound.

End of discussion.

Shit, this is even worse that something i would start.

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Feb 1 2003 6:27AM
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witchbaby666
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Tree = Meat
Meat = Penis
Penis = Mother

I think that's cleared up now.



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Feb 2 2003 1:35AM
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PhattTim
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ummm, clarification please?

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Feb 2 2003 3:47AM
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CMUSkiFreak
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the answer is 42, and steven hawking pales in comparison to the knowledge of douglas adams. does anyone agree with me?
Gotta love the midwest
Feb 3 2003 3:40PM
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coz
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how do the thoughts of hawking pale in comparison to those of adams?

i like it when an argument is presented without any evidence to support the claim. note: that was sarcasm.
Feb 3 2003 5:13PM
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SCHROEDER
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Note: Adams was a writer. He was kidding.

The idea of time not existing is not 'free thinking', it's stupid. Time exists. Saying it doesn't is like saying that distance deosn't exist. Sure, a meter is an arbitrary unit of measurement over a quantifying label such as distance; just as a second, or minute is to time. That doesn't make the dimension you're attempting to describe not exist.

Next time someone asks you how tall you are, tell them you're 5 werps. That'd be just as arbitrary. All of our units of measurements exist so that we can compare one value to another. What good is knowing you're 5 werps tall, when we don't know how much 1 werp is? It's useless! That's why we have UNITS. Yes, those units were chosen at random, and are defined relative to our physical environment. For example, we could set a clock ticking here, leave earth, travel to a planet, land on it and find that the clock ticks slower there when compared to the original on earth, beause the alien planet has a higher velocity on it's orbital path in it's solar system. However, that wouldn't mean that the alien planet would measure time like we do, so their unit would be found relative to their physical environment, rather than ours. In the same manner, an inch on earth, may be longer or shorter when measured relative to the speed of the observer. The point is, that units are not constant but are defined relative to the physical environment they're defined in.
Feb 3 2003 6:05PM
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PhattTim
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Yes but time only exists as a unit of measurement as man has invented it, as with meters and centermeters etc. It's just a numerical system that makes sense that everyone has decided to use.

Before man invented this system there was no 'time' in the sense that you are talking about. The only constants were day and night.

So no, it's not stupid at all to say that time doesn't exist.

And yeah, Adams rocks the party, haha, Zaphod Beeblebrox is my homefry.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
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Feb 3 2003 7:33PM
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c_lo
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Yes but every measurment is relavent to something. For example speed is a measurement of distance relative to time, distance is space relative to a surface. But what about time? Time flows in relation to nothing but itself. Saying time exists is just like saying santa does
Feb 3 2003 7:53PM
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SCHROEDER
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Ok, this may only be semantics now.

We have 4 dimensions. Length, Width, Height, and Time. Time exists, saying it doesn't is like saying that just because we placed a scale of measurement, like the metric system on 3 dimensions (LxWxH), distances are 'made up' No, they would still exist, regardless of whether we chose to quantify it or not. This explains it well: Time is 'a nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future'. 'An interval separating two points on this continuum; is a duration' and it is this duration that we have seeked to quantify using our labels like hour, day, minute, etc. Without hour, or day, or second, time itself would still exist, we would only be unable to measure it. So to draw a parallel, if we were to be without other forms of measurement, would the dimensions that those units describe cease to exist? I personally say: No, that's just stupid.
Feb 3 2003 8:43PM
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PhattTim
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I think people are getting this arguement conufused. There are two seperate topics here. Time as in the continuum of past present and future, and time as in the labelled hours minutes seconds etc.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
#Cut the Jibba Jabba Crazy Fools! Start Skiing!#
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Feb 3 2003 9:54PM
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SCHROEDER
Posts: 93 - Karma: 10
Ok, well on that note, let me statewhat I think a little more clearly:
Time as a unit of measurement = bogus, but hey, it's what we got.
Time as a dimension = Exists
Feb 3 2003 10:29PM
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PhattTim
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haha, yep, my thoughts exactly.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
#Cut the Jibba Jabba Crazy Fools! Start Skiing!#
*Be greatful, everyday, for snow, mountains, gravity and skiing*
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Feb 3 2003 11:47PM
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Hobojibber
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Son of a bitch! Do you want to know why we can't go back in time? Because it doesn't exist. ITs a measurment of the earth compared to the sun. If time really existed then why do other planets have differnt time. Its really hard to explain in words. BUt when you think really hard time is 24 hours but other planets have more or less 'time' than that. Its contradictory. Maybe I'll come up with a better way to explain this later.

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Feb 5 2003 12:55AM
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witchbaby666
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If vegitarianism is growing at a fast rate, and
penis = meat,
are guys getting less?

Hell, I always knew that McDonald was a slut.



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Feb 5 2003 10:52PM
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gravteck
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Time is not a measurement Hobojibber, the quantification of time is the measurement.
Feb 5 2003 11:00PM
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coz
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if time ceased to exist, so would we.
Feb 6 2003 10:32AM
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SCHROEDER
Posts: 93 - Karma: 10
'Time is not a measurement Hobojibber, the quantification of time is the measurement.'
Holy shit, I can't believe so many people have such a hard time grasping that.
Feb 6 2003 2:22PM
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ski2824
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A movie is to a book
as
The Universe with conciousness is to the Universe without conciousness
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